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ClayGuida
06/24/24 11:17:38 PM
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Voters have rejected attempts to either repeal or change Californias housing law three times before, in 1974, 1980 and 1993.

The housing law dates to 1949, when the federal Housing Act banned racial discrimination in public housing projects. A year later, voters passed a constitutional amendment requiring the government to get voter approval before using public money to build affordable housing.

Decades later, California is the only state that has a law like this, and it only applies to public funding for affordable housing, which is disproportionately used by people of color.

That's fucking insane. You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restriction.

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Solar_Crimson
06/24/24 11:18:47 PM
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NIMBYs

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ellis123
06/24/24 11:19:26 PM
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Texas doing a human trafficking.

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theAteam
06/24/24 11:20:34 PM
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They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicide

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Northlane
06/24/24 11:22:11 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
NIMBYs


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LonelyStoner
06/24/24 11:23:10 PM
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There are tons of people who claim to sympathize with the homeless. Unfortunately there are far fewer of these people willing to do anything about it, even when its as easy as a vote in the right direction.

Claiming to care is easy. Helping is a different matter.

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ClayGuida
06/24/24 11:23:31 PM
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theAteam posted...
They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicide
That's clearly not the problem though. Having to get authorization from people on how to solve a crisis every person bitches about but refuses to help change is the problem.

If California could just say treat this like every other issue, it would have been solved in the 80's. Instead, people are assholes, like the NIMBY post indicates.

At some point, the government should be able to do their job. But tying their hands is asinine. It's why that tax proposition was so stupid, then literally nothing would get done if citizens have the ability to veto taxes entirely.

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legendary_zell
06/25/24 12:55:40 AM
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It takes a very long time to solve a problem on behalf of a hated group that's almost entirely outside of the political community of people politicians have to worry about and that has a very hard time organizing. The only way to do it is for people of that group to organize, or to have a Cold War situation where it looks bad for the whole society to continue treating people like trash. We don't have that, and the easiest solution for addressing the unhoused is either indifference or violence.

TL:DR-No political price for harming them, high political cost for helping them, and often a high political gain for harming them as well. That's how we get here.

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luigi33
06/25/24 1:04:43 AM
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LonelyStoner posted...
There are tons of people who claim to sympathize with the homeless. Unfortunately there are far fewer of these people willing to do anything about it, even when its as easy as a vote in the right direction.

Claiming to care is easy. Helping is a different matter.
You don't look to the common people to solve systemic issues. While tons of people may not feel comfortable directly helping, I'm sure there's a pretty popular block of the California electric that wants positive policies that prevent homelessness.

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Tyranthraxus
06/25/24 2:16:15 AM
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Everyone wants affordable housing. They just want it... You know... Somewhere else.

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ClayGuida
06/25/24 9:24:59 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Everyone wants affordable housing. They just want it... You know... Somewhere else.
Which is why this law requiring them to get approval from citizens is asinine.

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Sunburst
06/25/24 9:43:29 AM
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I guess the homeless need to get better organized and camp out at the state capital with signs.

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TraurigAberWahr
06/25/24 9:43:36 AM
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Thanks, Newsom
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Lonestar2000
06/25/24 9:46:04 AM
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Other states busing them here and that POS Reagan shutting down mental health facilities didn't help.

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HorsemnBusiness
06/25/24 10:02:46 AM
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Its not just CA that has a homeless issue. The main problem is mental health support, affordable housing, and in some areas like Seattle and San Francisco there is a bad police presence/dumb laws in place.

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emblem-man
06/25/24 10:11:04 AM
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We honestly have to many veto points in our approval process. The best way to build more housing is honestly for cities and states to just build without requiring citizen approval. Building homes should not be a democratic process.

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emblem-man
06/25/24 10:13:00 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restriction
This same issue of the public not allowing home building applies to all other infrastructure as well. Public transportation, clean energy, fucking transmission lines. We are our own biggest roadblock.

This goes past just affordable housing. Why should you need public approval in some form to build an apartment complex? It's just people afraid of change who have convinced themselves that change of any kind is bad and that their aesthetic preferences is all that matters

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Unknown5uspect
06/25/24 10:15:00 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
The housing law dates to 1949, when the federal Housing Act banned racial discrimination in public housing projects. A year later, voters passed a constitutional amendment requiring the government to get voter approval before using public money to build affordable housing.
Never would have thought the homeless problem stemmed from racism. The surprise is palpable.

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NatsuSama
06/25/24 10:29:06 AM
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Is it possible, sure.

It's really not as simple as it sounds as there many logistics that people don't think about to solve the problem.

There's more factors than one causing this to be difficult to solve.

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ClayGuida
06/25/24 10:44:04 AM
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emblem-man posted...
We honestly have to many veto points in our approval process. The best way to build more housing is honestly for cities and states to just build without requiring citizen approval. Building homes should not be a democratic process.
It's the only state with a law like this.

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emblem-man
06/25/24 10:46:53 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
It's the only state with a law like this.

Approvals from the community are essentially required to build anything outside of a single family home. The law you reference is regarding affordable homes, but what about homes in general. The housing issue is a combination of it not being legal to build homes cheaply and easily due to zoning, height restrictions, homeowners approval, minimum lot sizes, etc.


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legendary_zell
06/25/24 10:54:46 AM
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emblem-man posted...
This same issue of the public not allowing home building applies to all other infrastructure as well. Public transportation, clean energy, fucking transmission lines. We are our own biggest roadblock.

This goes past just affordable housing. Why should you need public approval in some form to build an apartment complex? It's just people afraid of change who have convinced themselves that change of any kind is bad and that their aesthetic preferences is all that matters

Democratic control of land, planning, and building decisions is not bad, it's good. Complete private/corporate control wouldn't solve the problem or at least it would create other problems just as serious. The problem is people's values, racism, and the fact that homeownership has been turned into private fiefdoms and basically the only wealth building vehicle people have, rather than what it should be, shelter and community.

We gotta build inclusive values and inclusive communities and people have to choose it, it can't be imposed.

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emblem-man
06/25/24 10:59:51 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
We gotta build inclusive values and inclusive communities and people have to choose it, it can't be imposed.

Good luck changing their values. I just think the govt should impose their State capacity and make it legal to build all types of homes in more locations. Housing is either a crisis or not, and if it is, you treat it as one. That means making hard choices. That means rethinking how we build homes.


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Tyranthraxus
06/25/24 11:01:18 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
Democratic control of land, planning, and building decisions is not bad, it's good. Complete private/corporate control wouldn't solve the problem or at least it would create other problems just as serious.

We don't want private control, we just don't want democratic control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geex7KY3S7c

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superbot400
06/25/24 11:02:13 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
That's fucking insane. You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restriction.
Nimby and greedy real estate investors.

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emblem-man
06/25/24 11:03:00 AM
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Think of all the public amenities and infrastructure that exists in Asian and European countries. Do you guys think they went around getting public approval to build their high speed rails and dense housing? No, they used the govt State capacity to just fucking build it

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NoxObscuras
06/25/24 11:20:59 AM
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Well part of the problem is that our country's mental health care systems are abysmal (thanks Reagan). Roughly two thirds of the homeless population are experiencing some level of mental health disorder. So most of them end up right back on the streets.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-04-17/most-homeless-americans-are-battling-mental-illness

theAteam posted...
They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicide
Nope nope nope. We do not need to increase taxes to fix the problem.

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theAteam
06/25/24 11:30:25 AM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Nope nope nope. We do not need to increase taxes to fix the problem.

Artificially suppressing supply isn't helping either

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PballDepot
06/26/24 10:02:02 PM
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TraurigAberWahr posted...
Thanks, Newsom


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Intro2Logic
06/26/24 10:04:22 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Roughly two thirds of the homeless population are experiencing some level of mental health disorder.
It's worth considering causality here: being homeless is bad for one's mental health!

I'm not inclined to believe that California has significantly worse mental health crises than WV, what it has is higher housing costs.

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mybbqrules
06/26/24 10:04:38 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
NIMBYs
This.

California has a huge NIMBY problem. A while back they wanted to build a huge inpatient psychiatric facility in Placer County (and as a former Placer County psychiatric worker, we DESPERATELY needed one after Reagan gutted us) that would have created hundreds of new jobs and served hundreds of mentally ill Californians.

But nope, NIMBY's came in with their "waaah our property values" and "no one wants that here" shit and now it's off the table.

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SaikyoStyle
06/26/24 10:10:23 PM
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No profit in it

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02fran
06/28/24 12:46:07 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/36fae4a5.jpg
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/homeless-grants-pass-oregon-supreme-court/index.html
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ClayGuida
06/28/24 12:48:44 PM
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02fran posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/36fae4a5.jpg
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/homeless-grants-pass-oregon-supreme-court/index.html
Supreme Court essentially outlawed homelessness.

Pretty crazy.

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Jokeaccountinc
06/30/24 8:06:26 PM
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https://twitter.com/ChadWitman88/status/1803435692954972531

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ClayGuida
06/30/24 8:20:56 PM
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Jokeaccountinc posted...
https://twitter.com/ChadWitman88/status/1803435692954972531
That's a silly statement.

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Jokeaccountinc
07/01/24 7:48:03 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
That's a silly statement.

By who?

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