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ClayGuida 06/24/24 11:17:38 PM #1: |
Voters have rejected attempts to either repeal or change Californias housing law three times before, in 1974, 1980 and 1993. That's fucking insane. You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restriction. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 06/24/24 11:18:47 PM #2: |
NIMBYs
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ellis123 06/24/24 11:19:26 PM #3: |
Texas doing a human trafficking.
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theAteam 06/24/24 11:20:34 PM #4: |
They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicide
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Northlane 06/24/24 11:22:11 PM #5: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
NIMBYs --- Never forgive, never forget: The Lakers gave up Caruso, KCP, Harrell, Kuzma and Schroder's bird rights for Russell Westbrook. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 06/24/24 11:23:10 PM #6: |
There are tons of people who claim to sympathize with the homeless. Unfortunately there are far fewer of these people willing to do anything about it, even when its as easy as a vote in the right direction.
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ClayGuida 06/24/24 11:23:31 PM #7: |
theAteam posted...
They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicideThat's clearly not the problem though. Having to get authorization from people on how to solve a crisis every person bitches about but refuses to help change is the problem. If California could just say treat this like every other issue, it would have been solved in the 80's. Instead, people are assholes, like the NIMBY post indicates. At some point, the government should be able to do their job. But tying their hands is asinine. It's why that tax proposition was so stupid, then literally nothing would get done if citizens have the ability to veto taxes entirely. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 06/25/24 12:55:40 AM #8: |
It takes a very long time to solve a problem on behalf of a hated group that's almost entirely outside of the political community of people politicians have to worry about and that has a very hard time organizing. The only way to do it is for people of that group to organize, or to have a Cold War situation where it looks bad for the whole society to continue treating people like trash. We don't have that, and the easiest solution for addressing the unhoused is either indifference or violence.
TL:DR-No political price for harming them, high political cost for helping them, and often a high political gain for harming them as well. That's how we get here. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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luigi33 06/25/24 1:04:43 AM #9: |
LonelyStoner posted...
There are tons of people who claim to sympathize with the homeless. Unfortunately there are far fewer of these people willing to do anything about it, even when its as easy as a vote in the right direction.You don't look to the common people to solve systemic issues. While tons of people may not feel comfortable directly helping, I'm sure there's a pretty popular block of the California electric that wants positive policies that prevent homelessness. --- RTX 3070, Ryzen 7 5700x,16GB DDR4, 700WGold PSU Switch FC: SW-3966-2111-8902, Proud Steam Deck Owner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 06/25/24 2:16:15 AM #10: |
Everyone wants affordable housing. They just want it... You know... Somewhere else.
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ClayGuida 06/25/24 9:24:59 AM #11: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Everyone wants affordable housing. They just want it... You know... Somewhere else.Which is why this law requiring them to get approval from citizens is asinine. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sunburst 06/25/24 9:43:29 AM #12: |
I guess the homeless need to get better organized and camp out at the state capital with signs.
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TraurigAberWahr 06/25/24 9:43:36 AM #13: |
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Lonestar2000 06/25/24 9:46:04 AM #14: |
Other states busing them here and that POS Reagan shutting down mental health facilities didn't help.
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HorsemnBusiness 06/25/24 10:02:46 AM #15: |
Its not just CA that has a homeless issue. The main problem is mental health support, affordable housing, and in some areas like Seattle and San Francisco there is a bad police presence/dumb laws in place.
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emblem-man 06/25/24 10:11:04 AM #16: |
We honestly have to many veto points in our approval process. The best way to build more housing is honestly for cities and states to just build without requiring citizen approval. Building homes should not be a democratic process.
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emblem-man 06/25/24 10:13:00 AM #17: |
ClayGuida posted...
You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restrictionThis same issue of the public not allowing home building applies to all other infrastructure as well. Public transportation, clean energy, fucking transmission lines. We are our own biggest roadblock. This goes past just affordable housing. Why should you need public approval in some form to build an apartment complex? It's just people afraid of change who have convinced themselves that change of any kind is bad and that their aesthetic preferences is all that matters --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown5uspect 06/25/24 10:15:00 AM #18: |
ClayGuida posted...
The housing law dates to 1949, when the federal Housing Act banned racial discrimination in public housing projects. A year later, voters passed a constitutional amendment requiring the government to get voter approval before using public money to build affordable housing.Never would have thought the homeless problem stemmed from racism. The surprise is palpable. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 06/25/24 10:29:06 AM #19: |
Is it possible, sure.
It's really not as simple as it sounds as there many logistics that people don't think about to solve the problem. There's more factors than one causing this to be difficult to solve. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 06/25/24 10:44:04 AM #20: |
emblem-man posted...
We honestly have to many veto points in our approval process. The best way to build more housing is honestly for cities and states to just build without requiring citizen approval. Building homes should not be a democratic process.It's the only state with a law like this. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 06/25/24 10:46:53 AM #21: |
ClayGuida posted...
It's the only state with a law like this. Approvals from the community are essentially required to build anything outside of a single family home. The law you reference is regarding affordable homes, but what about homes in general. The housing issue is a combination of it not being legal to build homes cheaply and easily due to zoning, height restrictions, homeowners approval, minimum lot sizes, etc. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 06/25/24 10:54:46 AM #22: |
emblem-man posted...
This same issue of the public not allowing home building applies to all other infrastructure as well. Public transportation, clean energy, fucking transmission lines. We are our own biggest roadblock. Democratic control of land, planning, and building decisions is not bad, it's good. Complete private/corporate control wouldn't solve the problem or at least it would create other problems just as serious. The problem is people's values, racism, and the fact that homeownership has been turned into private fiefdoms and basically the only wealth building vehicle people have, rather than what it should be, shelter and community. We gotta build inclusive values and inclusive communities and people have to choose it, it can't be imposed. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 06/25/24 10:59:51 AM #23: |
legendary_zell posted...
We gotta build inclusive values and inclusive communities and people have to choose it, it can't be imposed. Good luck changing their values. I just think the govt should impose their State capacity and make it legal to build all types of homes in more locations. Housing is either a crisis or not, and if it is, you treat it as one. That means making hard choices. That means rethinking how we build homes. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 06/25/24 11:01:18 AM #24: |
legendary_zell posted...
Democratic control of land, planning, and building decisions is not bad, it's good. Complete private/corporate control wouldn't solve the problem or at least it would create other problems just as serious. We don't want private control, we just don't want democratic control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geex7KY3S7c --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superbot400 06/25/24 11:02:13 AM #25: |
ClayGuida posted...
That's fucking insane. You need public approval to build affordable housing, the only state in the country to have this restriction.Nimby and greedy real estate investors. --- http://spinsulin.freeforums.org/the-fantastic-four-respect-thread-t4436.html, my huge ass respect thread. You won't see it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 06/25/24 11:03:00 AM #26: |
Think of all the public amenities and infrastructure that exists in Asian and European countries. Do you guys think they went around getting public approval to build their high speed rails and dense housing? No, they used the govt State capacity to just fucking build it
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NoxObscuras 06/25/24 11:20:59 AM #27: |
Well part of the problem is that our country's mental health care systems are abysmal (thanks Reagan). Roughly two thirds of the homeless population are experiencing some level of mental health disorder. So most of them end up right back on the streets.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-04-17/most-homeless-americans-are-battling-mental-illness theAteam posted... They need to address prop 13 but approaching it as a politician is political suicideNope nope nope. We do not need to increase taxes to fix the problem. --- Steam/Xbox/PSN = NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theAteam 06/25/24 11:30:25 AM #28: |
NoxObscuras posted...
Nope nope nope. We do not need to increase taxes to fix the problem. Artificially suppressing supply isn't helping either --- Buffalo Bills ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PballDepot 06/26/24 10:02:02 PM #30: |
TraurigAberWahr posted...
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Intro2Logic 06/26/24 10:04:22 PM #31: |
NoxObscuras posted...
Roughly two thirds of the homeless population are experiencing some level of mental health disorder.It's worth considering causality here: being homeless is bad for one's mental health! I'm not inclined to believe that California has significantly worse mental health crises than WV, what it has is higher housing costs. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 06/26/24 10:04:38 PM #32: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
NIMBYsThis. California has a huge NIMBY problem. A while back they wanted to build a huge inpatient psychiatric facility in Placer County (and as a former Placer County psychiatric worker, we DESPERATELY needed one after Reagan gutted us) that would have created hundreds of new jobs and served hundreds of mentally ill Californians. But nope, NIMBY's came in with their "waaah our property values" and "no one wants that here" shit and now it's off the table. --- Currently playing: Jurassic Word Evo 2, Fortnite STW, WoW, Punch-Out, Super Punch-Out, Project Zomboid Convicted felon Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SaikyoStyle 06/26/24 10:10:23 PM #33: |
No profit in it
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02fran 06/28/24 12:46:07 PM #34: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/36fae4a5.jpg https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/homeless-grants-pass-oregon-supreme-court/index.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 06/28/24 12:48:44 PM #35: |
02fran posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/36fae4a5.jpgSupreme Court essentially outlawed homelessness. Pretty crazy. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jokeaccountinc 06/30/24 8:06:26 PM #36: |
https://twitter.com/ChadWitman88/status/1803435692954972531
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ClayGuida 06/30/24 8:20:56 PM #37: |
Jokeaccountinc posted...
https://twitter.com/ChadWitman88/status/1803435692954972531That's a silly statement. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jokeaccountinc 07/01/24 7:48:03 AM #38: |
ClayGuida posted...
That's a silly statement. By who? --- Welcome to our organization. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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