Current Events > So now that Drake is 1-2 in major rap beef where the highest you rank him ?

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Yes we are lol. Lupe is probably one of the most unmatched lyricists of all-time, he just don't get the credit because his music isn't made for the radio

its the fact you implied the Tyler the creator or Mac would survive in a pre Kanye rap era. But drake wouldnt.

its the fact you implied the Tyler the creator or Mac would survive in a pre Kanye rap era. But drake wouldnt

Drake's music career literally could not exist before 2008

Off of pure skill? Absolutely.

Whether or not you want to argue about their personas fitting the image of hip-hop at that time is a whole separate thing that's irrelevant to my point.

Drake's Twitter meme bars would not hold up at that time. The only reason he gets away with it now is, again, because he makes turn up music for non-rap fans.

Drake's music career literally could not exist before 2008

okay thought you where talking about them as whole artist cause I was like no way you believe that

But neither of them are better technical rappers than drake though.

Like dont get me wrong Drake hardly tries nowadays, hes rather make turn up music than actually rap. Which pisses me off because I know drake as a rap nerd.

but we cant have come out of this Kendrick beef and think drake cant rap, he chooses not to quite often, and thats a valid criticism against him.

but he saying he cant rap like at all ?!?

but we cant have come out of this Kendrick beef and think drake cant rap, he chooses not to quite often, and thats a valid criticism against him.

but he saying he cant rap like at all ?!?

So what Im getting out of this topic is yall havent heard early drake or his modern deep cuts

Hes first 2 mixtapes are pre 2008.

when I say he rapped like Joe budden and phonte I was not exaggerating

Nobody's saying he can't rap at all. But again, he's just mediocre. Like, his rapping is passable enough to not ruin whatever track he's on, but it's not like people listen to Drake for his wordplay, flow, lyricism, storytelling, etc.,

And for the most part, Drake ain't rapping about shit. Even with the Meek Mill shit, he didn't win because he was a better rapper, but because he had the bigger hit.

considering he chose to sing a bunch of autotune pop songs about being in his feels instead of actually rapping, it's no surprise people would question his actual rapping skills

instead of making quality he opted to just make money which is fine but there's no emotional investment or substance in his music anymore

But again, thats wrong.

EDIT:: even if you think Joe budden isnt a great rapper hes clearly a better rapper than mac and Tyler

100% Im not a fan of most of modern drakes music, I listen hoping to catch the few times he actually RAPS, but everything else is stuff Ill just hear out when ever.

but the people questioning his rapping skill and not his effort, just arent qualified to have this convo.

and dont get me wrong his effort is a HUGE PROBLEM

Well, you don't get points for "theoretically" being a better rapper. Drake hasn't evolved much at all while all of his peers are elevating themselves.

drake never had any real street cred, dude came from degrassi lol

and instead of toughening up his image as a harder hip hop rapper, he opted to base his main sound around kanye's 808s & heartbreak.

how can anyone listen to shit like find your love or marvin's room and think "this is a legit hip hop artist"

he's always been a soft, safe pop rapper

why are you assuming real hip hop is hard core ?

why did he even need to toughen up or be someone hes not

drake the hip hop nerd with girl trouble was the best drake honestly.

an Elite rapper.

There aren't any top tier rappers post 2007 lol

In a lot of ways, Kanye outselling 50 that year marked the moment hip hop became totally commercialized.

Although to be honest the bling era wasn't very good either

That's another good one. Lmao

This guy is trolling hard.

Damn, dude saw TC having shit takes and decided to try to top him

drake never had any real street cred, dude came from degrassi lol

and instead of toughening up his image as a harder hip hop rapper, he opted to base his main sound around kanye's 808s & heartbreak.

how can anyone listen to shit like find your love or marvin's room and think "this is a legit hip hop artist"

he's always been a soft, safe pop rapper

Damn, dude saw TC having shit takes and decided to try to top him

Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Em All was just an edgy hipster group. 2012 was a pretty crappy year for music, honestly.

Frank Ocean sucked, too

The classic hip hop albums of the 2000s

Marshall Matters LP (2000)
The Blueprint (2001)
Eminem Show (2002)
Get Rich or Die Trying (2003)
The College Dropout (2004)
Speakerboxx/The Love Below (2004)
Late Registration (2005)
Graduation (2007)
Tha Carter III (2008)

That's really about it lol. Are we really gonna pretend guys like Nelly or Ludacris had good albums as opposed to just memorable singles?

Would colonizer make sense as Kendrick called him?

Who's talking about 2012? Earl and Tyler became highly acclaimed rappers in their own right, not just 18-20 year old edgelords.

They've made some of the best music of the last 5-6 years

See this alone is wrong and tells me you dont listen to enough rap to be in this discussion

Be, Below the Heavens ,GKMC

just off the top of my head are all considered classics

gkmc is from 2017 lol i said 2000s

Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Em All was just an edgy hipster group of tryhards. Tyler's whole gimmick was shock factor, rapping about shit like murdering other celebrities and raping women; just reeked of a wannabe Eminem. Then he became Internet famous, softened his image, and just disappeared. 2012 was a pretty crappy year for music, honestly. Frank Ocean is overrated, too; mediocre at best.

I listen to enough. I just realize that most of it isn't very good or noteworthy lol

for what it's worth, i would say the same about any other genre. pop, rock, electronic, you name it. there might be a few gems buried here and there but most of it is fluff, that's the music industry in general

gkmc is from 2017 lol i said 2000s

The classic hip hop albums of the 2000s

Marshall Matters LP (2000)
The Blueprint (2001)
Eminem Show (2002)
Get Rich or Die Trying (2003)
The College Dropout (2004)
Speakerboxx/The Love Below (2004)
Late Registration (2005)
Graduation (2007)
Tha Carter III (2008)

That's really about it lol. Are we really gonna pretend guys like Nelly or Ludacris had good albums as opposed to just memorable singles?

Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Em All was just an edgy hipster group of tryhards. Tyler's whole gimmick was shock factor, rapping about shit like murdering other celebrities and raping women; just reeked of a wannabe Eminem. Then he became Internet famous, softened his image, and just disappeared. 2012 was a pretty crappy year for music, honestly. Frank Ocean is overrated, too; mediocre at best.

Name 20 rappers then.

Jayz
Nas
Biggie
Tupac
Rakim
Em
DMX
Kendrick
Kanye
Cole
Ice cube
Snoop
andre 3000
scar face
Lil Wayne
50 Cent

At this point were arguing stuff like LLcoolJ, and Nelly and shit like that

literally one of the funniest things Ive seen in a while

Drake is not a rapper.

Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Em All was just an edgy hipster group of tryhards. Tyler's whole gimmick was shock factor, rapping about shit like murdering other celebrities and raping women; just reeked of a wannabe Eminem. Then he became Internet famous, softened his image, and just disappeared. 2012 was a pretty crappy year for music, honestly. Frank Ocean is overrated, too; mediocre at best.

I wouldn't put anyone who's known for using ghostwriters anywhere in the top 50, tbh.

and while he has made some good songs, and has had a lot of longevity, I don't know if I would say he had any classic albums (classic songs, though, yes).

anyone who puts drake in the top 100 needs their head checked.