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05/03/24 4:02:03 PM
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wackyteen
05/03/24 5:30:54 PM
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https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4196868529806518741?l=english

Attention Helldivers,

Due to technical issues at the launch of HELLDIVERS 2, we allowed the linking requirements for Steam accounts to a PlayStation Network account to be temporarily optional. That grace period will now expire. See details below in this post.

Account linking plays a critical role in protecting our players and upholding the values of safety and security provided on PlayStation and PlayStation Studios games. This is our main way to protect players from griefing and abuse by enabling the banning of players that engage in that type of behaviour. It also allows those players that have been banned the right to appeal.

As such, as of May 6th, all new HELLDIVERS 2 players on Steam will be required to connect their Steam account to a PlayStation Network account. Current players on Steam will start to see the mandatory login from May 30th and will be required to have linked a Steam and PlayStation Network account by June 4th. PlayStation Network accounts are free and easy to set up using this link
https://www.playstation.com/support/account/create-account-for-psn/

We understand that while this may be an inconvenience to some of you, this step will help us to continue to build a community that you are all proud to be a part of.

Many thanks for your continued support of HELLDIVERS 2!

Sony Interactive Entertainment

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Good job Sony, you fucked it.

It's bad. It isn't just "make a PS account". Some players in some European countries cant even make a PS account

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The23rdMagus
05/03/24 5:32:28 PM
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The press release implies players were warned this would happen. Were they?

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Enclave
05/03/24 5:33:57 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
The press release implies players were warned this would happen. Were they?

I read the steam page has been saying the PS Account is required since before launch? Also loads of other games have similar requirements, such as Sea of Thieves apparently requires a Microsoft account.

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KnightofShikari
05/03/24 5:34:26 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Some players in some European countries cant even make a PS account
how does sony fuck up that badly?

also hope the EU comes in with sensible legislation like "to play a game you can have a maximum of one login information used" or something to that effect. really hate some of those games on steam that just open another company's launcher to play it

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ironman2009
05/03/24 5:34:36 PM
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I had to link my ps acct when I bought it on steam on launch

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Cornmuffins
05/03/24 5:36:20 PM
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But why? Not talking about their bs reasoning

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punkfanalways
05/03/24 5:37:10 PM
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I play it on PS5 anyway so
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s0nicfan
05/03/24 5:38:02 PM
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Apparently this was always supposed to be the case but they had some kind of bug that caused them to lift the requirement, but also I don't believe Sony for a second and this absolutely has everything to do with the surprising success of the title. No way they would have "fixed the bug" if the game was DoA.

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CADE_FOSTER
05/03/24 5:38:17 PM
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Literally takes a few mins to create a free acct man first world problems cry baby gamers
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Powdered_Toast
05/03/24 5:39:01 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
But why? Not talking about their bs reasoning
Some people suspect it's so they have millions of new Playstation accounts to show investors.

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Trumble
05/03/24 5:39:46 PM
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Its a fair complaint for those who can't create a PSN account, but it's a nothingburger for anyone who can.

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Solar_Crimson
05/03/24 5:39:54 PM
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CADE_FOSTER posted...
Literally takes a few mins to create a free acct man first world problems cry baby gamers

wackyteen posted...
Some players in some European countries cant even make a PS account


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Cornmuffins
05/03/24 5:41:26 PM
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Powdered_Toast posted...

Some people suspect it's so they have millions of new Playstation accounts to show investors.


Ah, yeah that makes sense

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Raiden2909
05/03/24 5:42:25 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
But why? Not talking about their bs reasoning
probably as others have said its to boost PSN accounts and to have more chances for data harvesting from accounts to then sell that data
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VFalcone
05/03/24 5:45:31 PM
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CADE_FOSTER posted...
Literally takes a few mins to create a free acct man first world problems cry baby gamers
And what about the thousands and thousands of players across the world living in countries that don't have access to PSN? Like the Philippines, or various European and Middle Eastern countries, or the countries in Africa? Screw them, right?
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Full_Pokedex
05/03/24 5:47:00 PM
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This is why I support Nintendo, they'd never do crap like this.

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Enclave
05/03/24 5:48:47 PM
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VFalcone posted...
And what about the thousands and thousands of players across the world living in countries that don't have access to PSN? Like the Philippines, or various European and Middle Eastern countries, or the countries in Africa? Screw them, right

I mean, it's pretty easy to create an account in another region. They shouldn't have to but it's not like that something that's difficult to do.

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Paragon21XX
05/03/24 5:49:07 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
But why? Not talking about their bs reasoning
Control freaks (Sony that is)

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VFalcone
05/03/24 5:51:27 PM
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Enclave posted...
I mean, it's pretty easy to create an account in another region. They shouldn't have to but it's not like that something that's difficult to do.
I've heard that could result in a total ban from Helldivers
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C-zom
05/03/24 5:51:46 PM
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Sony wants to go to their shareholders and say HD2 was such a smashing success they registered 100k+ PSN accounts in the last quarter alone.

They also want your telemetry data and purchase history via Steam so that they can sell those target points to data farms.

I got about 110h out of the game and got all the stuff I wanted, played what I wanted to. But there's no chance I'm registering for one of the least secure networks there is just to keep playing a game on PC.

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s0nicfan
05/03/24 5:52:05 PM
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Enclave posted...
I mean, it's pretty easy to create an account in another region. They shouldn't have to but it's not like that something that's difficult to do.

Hey, can you end all your sentences with "sincerely, enclave"? You shouldn't have to but its not like that's something that's difficult to do.

Seriously, "it's not hard" is not and will never be a valid defense of something shitty. It's also not hard for Sony to leave things as they are since it's been working for months, so why are you putting this on the players?

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sabin017
05/03/24 5:53:22 PM
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Should've been playing EDF this whole time.

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C-zom
05/03/24 5:53:52 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
The press release implies players were warned this would happen. Were they?

On a technicality. The store page says it is required; on launch day, maybe the day after too, it had a button to skip tying in your PSN. If you bought it any time after the launch day(s) you never got prompted and, unless you scrolled all the way down and read the store front, had no idea it needed it.


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punkfanalways
05/03/24 5:56:25 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
This is why I support Nintendo, they'd never do crap like this.

they do stuff thats equally as bad such as closing the Wii store and making you repurchase games youve already paid for.
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Hinakuluiau
05/03/24 6:00:03 PM
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I will never understand the way gamers are always the worst with this.
It's pretty normal for games to require another account, I'd bet the majority of people who are active on Steam also have a PSN account. If you don't, it takes a couple minutes to make one and then you're done.

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Deegs
05/03/24 6:00:34 PM
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Personally I don't buy games that require a secondary account on steam entirely. That any game on Steam can have a requirement to have an additional account is kind of nonsense in and of itself. Helldivers 2 isn't unique in this regard, they may have picked a really bad time to do this though.

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C-zom
05/03/24 6:00:55 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
I will never understand the way gamers are always the worst with this.
It's pretty normal for games to require another account, I'd bet the majority of people who are active on Steam also have a PSN account. If you don't, it takes a couple minutes to make one and then you're done.

It takes a couple minutes to let you farm your data to Sony and then you're done.

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Enclave
05/03/24 6:03:51 PM
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VFalcone posted...
I've heard that could result in a total ban from Helldivers

Seriously? That's BS if true.

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Funkydog
05/03/24 6:04:16 PM
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Actively trying to kill their hit game.

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Hinakuluiau
05/03/24 6:04:34 PM
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C-zom posted...
It takes a couple minutes to let you farm your data to Sony and then you're done.
So use a throwaway email that was made with a fake name if you're that paranoid.
Seriously, every company at this point is a data company first and a "whatever they're selling" company second. If that bothers you then it started a long time ago before PSN was a thing and you should flood the market with fake data.

I also don't think it's about the data. They pretty much have everything they need on you with your Steam account (probably worth more if you were forced to make one for the game). It's more likely a combination of wanting to boost their active account numbers and wanting to ban people easier. It can be annoying for developers to ban cheaters through Steam so much easier on them to force players to use a different account and ban you that way.

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C-zom
05/03/24 6:07:38 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
So use a throwaway email that was made with a fake name if you're that paranoid.
Seriously, every company at this point is a data company first and a "whatever they're selling" company second. If that bothers you then it started a long time ago before PSN was a thing and you should flood the market with fake data.

I also don't think it's about the data. They pretty much have everything they need on you with your Steam account (probably worth more if you were forced to make one for the game). It's more likely a combination of wanting to boost their active account numbers and wanting to ban people easier. It can be annoying for developers to ban cheaters through Steam so much easier on them to force players to use a different account and ban you that way.

I use Linux, a VPN, a fork of Vivaldi centered on even more privacy and run anticheat games in a VM so they can try to access a system32 and browser history (as I watch) that does not exist.

I'm not being snippy, I'm just saying that my stance on this is that it isn't worth the hassle to me. Also, fwiw, people who are genuinely affected by this and not preferentially affected (like me) are going to get their copies bricked because PSN isn't in their country. Users on reddit are reporting the whole "pick a random address and location and just make a throwaway PSN!" have been banned for trying this in the past with other games, or recently for hd2 if they didn't buy it in the grace period AH gave everyone.

A fake email and or address hopping goes against Sony ToU sadly.

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Enclave
05/03/24 6:11:15 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Hey, can you end all your sentences with "sincerely, enclave"? You shouldn't have to but its not like that's something that's difficult to do.

Seriously, "it's not hard" is not and will never be a valid defense of something shitty. It's also not hard for Sony to leave things as they are since it's been working for months, so why are you putting this on the players?

Lol, I mean, that's literally more difficult than creating some throwaway account that doesn't even have real data in it.

I just find it really hard to get upset about this.

Again though, I'd actually care about people getting banned for using a throwaway account. THAT actually is worth getting upset about.

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s0nicfan
05/03/24 6:11:45 PM
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Enclave posted...
Lol, I mean, that's literally more difficult than creating some throwaway account that doesn't even have real data in it.

I just find it really hard to get upset about this.

Sincerely, enclave.

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Enclave
05/03/24 6:13:17 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Sincerely, enclave.

Look, if this is all you got then drop it as it's clear I'm not convinced by your argument and you'll not change my mind using the tactic you've chosen.

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s0nicfan
05/03/24 6:14:43 PM
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Enclave posted...
Look, if this is all you got then drop it as it's clear I'm not convinced by your argument and you'll not change my mind using the tactic you've chosen.

I was never going to change your mind. My post is there to highlight the stupidity of "it's not hard" as an argument and your continued refusal to do something easy that you simply don't want to do perfectly highlights why it's a bad argument.

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Enclave
05/03/24 6:21:49 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
I was never going to change your mind. My post is there to highlight the stupidity of "it's not hard" as an argument and your continued refusal to do something easy that you simply don't want to do perfectly highlights why it's a bad argument.

Is it stupid though? Did people lose their shit over Sea of Thieves needing a Microsoft account? Did people lose their shit over Square Enix account being needed for FFXIV? EA account for their games? WB account for their games? Ubisoft account for their games?

This is something that is industry wide at this point, the time to complain about it was about a decade ago when a concerted outrage and actual following through on the outrage would have actually been able to change things.

At this point? Nothing is going to change, Sony already knows that the people upset right now are going to be good little gamers and make their Sony account if they don't already have one and will link it and then keep playing. The number of people who will actually quit the game over this is pretty tiny. It's all just a pointless outrage over a minor annoyance.

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C-zom
05/03/24 6:22:18 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
My post is there to highlight the stupidity of "it's not hard" as an argument and your continued refusal to do something easy that you simply don't want to do perfectly highlights why it's a bad argument.

C-zom posted...


It takes a couple minutes to let you farm your data to Sony and then you're done.


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The23rdMagus
05/03/24 6:24:24 PM
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C-zom posted...
On a technicality. The store page says it is required; on launch day, maybe the day after too, it had a button to skip tying in your PSN. If you bought it any time after the launch day(s) you never got prompted and, unless you scrolled all the way down and read the store front, had no idea it needed it.
People buy games without reading the description?

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wackyteen
05/03/24 6:24:48 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
People buy games without reading the description?
Why read when can throw money?

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05/03/24 6:24:59 PM
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wackyteen
05/03/24 6:25:47 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Don't give them ideas!

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Enclave
05/03/24 6:26:00 PM
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No, at least not on PC.

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Bugmeat
05/03/24 6:30:10 PM
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sabin017 posted...
Should've been playing EDF this whole time.

Oh how I wish the last few had made it to Xbox.


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VFalcone
05/03/24 6:30:49 PM
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Enclave posted...
Seriously? That's BS if true.
It's the main reason for the outrage. For those countries that don't have access to PSN, they lose the ability to play the game they purchased. The games never should've been available for purchase in countries that don't have PSN in the first place. Anyway, if they then try to create a dummy account they risk the possibility of that account being investigated at some point and banned.

They aren't upset because they're being inconvenienced, they're upset because making a dummy account is very risky and they're unwilling to risk their Helldivers profile. Those who do live in countries with access to PSN are leaving bad reviews either out of protest or because they're whining.
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thronedfire2
05/03/24 6:31:14 PM
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so how do people from Europe play PS games online without PSN?

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XxZiomaxX
05/03/24 6:31:21 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
The press release implies players were warned this would happen. Were they?
Yes, it said linking accounts was required, but allowed them to skip doing it immediately. Now the time has come and gamers be fickle.

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Dakimakura
05/03/24 6:32:24 PM
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Sony is the worst

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