Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 7 - The Art of how to post Votals correctly (Sultan C-)

(+) Yeah! (+)

since they already lost their blocker rolecop... only 1 needs go on...

This sucks

And also interesting that Blade WAS a sidetrack for a while, and Ulti started that one.
Ctes gets points for not following it.
But Ulti absolutely sounded like Chang did for a while. Despite his whole 'his role PM was claimed wrong' evidence.

Meanwhile

Obellisk posted...

I'm not against pulling the trigger on Blade, I felt his start to day one was clear scum manipulation.

Add on the fact Lopen has vanished 24 hours after Blade attempted? to kill him...

However I think resolving knightz makes the most sense. (Taco problems aside)

Obellisk posted...

I'm not really interested in lynching anyone other than Blade today.

I think Knightz needs to be resolved somehow.

Huh, Sbell?

I mean I think I get what you mean, but its weirdly phrased

Also i would not bet on the scumteam having a backup, so I would rest those fears specifically.

Since a no kill night would almost certainly be rerolled and that is a power you probably use asap.

I don't like blade, I don't like the knightz situation.

I can also be quoted somewhere saying I felt the kid situation was a smoke screen being manipulated and used to distract us, but I've been known to be wrong.

htaeD posted...

And also interesting that Blade WAS a sidetrack for a while, and Ulti started that one.
Ctes gets points for not following it.
But Ulti absolutely sounded like Chang did for a while. Despite his whole 'his role PM was claimed wrong' evidence.

Meanwhile

Huh, Sbell?

Basically we have confirmed scum Corrik and the people who usually say to lynch me are all either fishing me or saying to lynch me.

It's either scum or bad play but given who's doing it it's hard to tell which.

*rimshot*

Obellisk posted...

*rimshot*

Sorry but if someone who doesn't have a hard on for killing me actually talked about killing me I'd be taking it seriously.

Both you and Isquen have virtually no content today otherwise.

Why are we suddenly more trusting of corrik.

But really, this has gotten boring. Chang completely ruined the day and half the people just walked away from the game because they don't care anymore until day 3.

Leafeon13N posted...

Why are we suddenly more trusting of corrik.

It's less trusting of him and more having a boner for killing me specifically.

It is interesting how Corrik getting counterclaimed seems to have been the specific trigger that drew both SBell and Isquen out of the shadows to attack me though.

I do wonder though if SBell is doing this for show given what I told him he tends to do with me on day 1. He doesn't seem to have any concern whatsoever for how Kirby's claim affects the day.

But I also said he tends to only dig into me like that when he's the only one doing it and everyone else is telling him he's chasing things that aren't there. This is more sheepy than that.

So yeah people are just gone. GJ It sure did Chang everything when you unnecessarily murdered day 2.

Once you get bored you'll lynch confirmed scum Corrik like you know you should and we can move on to day 3.

Leafeon13N posted...

Why are we suddenly more trusting of corrik.

You tell me why scum Corrik commits suicide like this if Blade flips town.

Especially without a role cop to even confirm whether or not Blade is a threat worth 1-for-1ing for.

I've said words.

like half the game claimed.

sorry I didn't choose you blade, didn't know you needed my approval so bad.

Kirby321 posted...

You tell me why scum Corrik commits suicide like this if Blade flips town.

Why does blade commit suicide to a nothing claim

Kirby321 posted...

You tell me why scum Corrik commits suicide like this if Blade flips town.

Especially without a role cop to even confirm whether or not Blade is a threat worth 1-for-1ing for.

Its risky. But its called a 1 for 1 and scum favor it. Plus he can just say welp I guess Blade didnt send in the kill. Nothing about it makes Corrik look bad except that he was caught

Why does he do it as town? he has yet to convince me of that.

Meow1000 posted...

So yeah people are just gone. GJ It sure did Chang everything when you unnecessarily murdered day 2.

Once you get bored you'll lynch confirmed scum Corrik like you know you should and we can move on to day 3.

Blade, could you, like, stop being salty for a few hours? We get it. You're mad. Now shut up about it. Complaining about it incessantly and rebuking Chang just fills the topic up needlessly and makes you look bad, especially since you refuse to claim. Fact of the matter is that what's done is done and nothing can undo what Chang did, so play the hand you're dealt and help us sort out this mess and guide Chang to a correct vote.

If you're town, then fight your damn hardest to stay alive instead of lamenting about the big meanie Chang crowning himself king or whatever.

Kirby321 posted...

You tell me why scum Corrik commits suicide like this if Blade flips town.

Especially without a role cop to even confirm whether or not Blade is a threat worth 1-for-1ing for.

The biggest plot twist would be if Corrik was scum backup, used the FIRST set of actions on Blade and realized he had a massive role, then activated the refresh ability and used the second set of actions on someone else. And now with his power spent he judged it worthwhile to trade himself to delete whatever role he saw blade was.

Or he forgot the first set of actions got rolled back so the RB didn't count the second time.

.

But regardless of that conspiracy nonsense, can you tell ME why a TOWN corrik doesn't back down before this point?

Hey wallz is this language from your role PM?

wallmasterz posted...

I can only use my backup on expelled town specifically. Is Lopen definitely dead, death?

again, why would wallz backup expose unrevealed flips, dead or alive. it's not revealed information.

what's he gunna do, backup lopen and target someone not knowing what he's doing?

that's not why i'm asking

PunishedBen posted...

Its risky. But its called a 1 for 1 and scum favor it. Plus he can just say welp I guess Blade didnt send in the kill. Nothing about it makes Corrik look bad except that he was caught

Why does he do it as town? he has yet to convince me of that.

This is the same Corrik who (in Valentine's Day Mafia) outed himself as Back-Up Cop because he was convinced that there was no Cop. Then tried to use that to say that the claimed Miller was lying. And that's all because Cop didn't out themselves at a moment when literally nobody else but Corrik wanted the Cop to claim.

Corrik makes brash plays as town and then gets mad at everyone else for supposedly fucking it up because they couldn't read Corrik's mind.

But I mean, yeah, 1-for-1s are a thing, but why Blade? What makes Blade so threatening that scum Corrik would risk his neck to get rid of town Blade? It just doesn't make any sense.

changmas posted...

that's not why i'm asking

no I know that, I'm just bothered by people asking wallz if he can backup vanished players. backup real or not, that makes no sense

Kirby321 posted...

This is the same Corrik who (in Valentine's Day Mafia) outed himself as Back-Up Cop because he was convinced that there was no Cop. Then tried to use that to say that the claimed Miller was lying. And that's all because Cop didn't out themselves at a moment when literally nobody else but Corrik wanted the Cop to claim.

Corrik makes brash plays as town and then gets mad at everyone else for supposedly fucking it up because they couldn't read Corrik's mind.

But I mean, yeah, 1-for-1s are a thing, but why Blade? What makes Blade so threatening that scum Corrik would risk his neck to get rid of town Blade? It just doesn't make any sense.

I wasnt in that game so I cant say for sure, but I'd bet this is different. I have seen him gambit as town many a time.

Why is he not immediately town clearing Blade when Blade insisted he moved last night? Because he's not gambiting to figure out Blade's alignment.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

But regardless of that conspiracy nonsense, can you tell ME why a TOWN corrik doesn't back down before this point?

Because maybe town Corrik isn't lying, in the same way that Insane Psychic Lopen wasn't lying about nobody visiting him and Watcher Ctes wasn't lying about targeting Lopen on that same night.

We can all agree that Corrik quadrupling down like this is absolute insanity. But Blade going just as hard is also insanity. Just like in that Dota 2 Mafia game.

I'll be honest, i don't really know who to believe at all. Which is why i narrowed it down to someone in those 4 - no matter what happens it'll give us some sort of direction. And mi saying "Red should be considered because i think he's scum" just totally is "head in sand" level of consideration for it all.

I do think red is probably scum and mi probably isn't (unless Wallz is too) but that's not the question we need to have resolved.

Corrik, did your N1 PM explicitly say that you roleblocked Blade?

Obellisk posted...

no I know that, I'm just bothered by people asking wallz if he can backup vanished players. backup real or not, that makes no sense

I was not asking if he could technically.
I was was asking if he tried to.
I probably should have just asked him 'did you ask host if you could backup Lopen?'

who would you ask that though.,?

you found the loophole to reveal lopens flip?

Kirby321 posted...

Because maybe town Corrik isn't lying, in the same way that Insane Psychic Lopen wasn't lying about nobody visiting him and Watcher Ctes wasn't lying about targeting Lopen on that same night.

We can all agree that Corrik quadrupling down like this is absolute insanity. But Blade going just as hard is also insanity. Just like in that Dota 2 Mafia game.

When you say 'Blade is going hard'
What do you mean?

Obellisk posted...

you found the loophole to reveal lopens flip?

No
I asked since I was wondering if Wallz himself had that kind of curiosity in the first place.

Whether or not Wallz had a loophole to get flip info was a longshot I know.

PunishedBen posted...

I wasnt in that game so I cant say for sure, but I'd bet this is different. I have seen him gambit as town many a time.

Why is he not immediately town clearing Blade when Blade insisted he moved last night? Because he's not gambiting to figure out Blade's alignment.

That doesn't answer my question of "why 1-for-1 against Blade in the first place"

Suppose somehow Corrik learned Blade's role, and it's the most busted shit ever. Why not just... silently kill off Blade N2? Instead of sacrificing himself when scum is already one man down?

Furthermore, if Corrik is scum, why fake claim roleblocker when scum roleblocker is dead? Corrik knows for damn certain his scapegoat won't actually be roleblocked, so what could he have possibly expected?

htaeD posted...

When you say 'Blade is going hard'
What do you mean?

... Is this a serious question?

Ask yourself if Blade has backed down or sheeped away from Corrik's claim. The answer is a very obvious no. Blade isn't saying that Corrik is mistaken. Blade is outright saying that he was definitively not roleblocked.

Both of them are fiercely insisting that they're telling the truth.

Honestly, i just dont pretend to guess why corrik does anything.

which is why it makes the most sense that both are scum. because after both put up such a fight how could you believe one is ever not town when the other flip scum.

Obellisk posted...

which is why it makes the most sense that both are scum. because after both put up such a fight how could you believe one is ever not town when the other flip scum.

I mean, a guilty scan of some variety would do the tricky <_<

I have reason to believe guilty scans can be deceived

alright idk if he's coming back in any timely manner but here's what I think I have on wallz. It's admittedly not that strong but it does seem a bit weird to me.

based on the timeframe of these posts I don't know that it matters what his actual answer to my question there is.

wallmasterz posted...

Abed, TOWN One-Shot Backup

htaeD posted...

I am more curious if Wallz acted tried to use his power on Lopen

wallmasterz posted...

I can only use my backup on expelled town specifically. Is Lopen definitely dead, death?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Hey wallz, can you back up Lopen?

wallmasterz posted...

I just got confirmation I cant

So in summary, when first asked, Wallz initially suggested he could only use his backup on 'expelled' town. Later, after being asked again, he claimed he 'just' got confirmation that he couldn't. This implies that his first answer and that language was based on his role PM, while the second answer came directly from host(s).

But this 'expelled town' language is a bit strange. All of the rules in the first post (which yes, I know were more or less copied and pasted), as well as the sample Vanilla PM, and my own PM refer to core facets of the game (eliminations, lynch, alive, dead, etc.) in very flavorless, standard terms. It seems very strange to me that wallz' PM in particular would buck this trend and specifically say 'expelled town'. If anyone wants to confirm or deny this point with their own role PM, I would be very curious. Not even with that phrase in particular, but any changes to standard style PMs that reflect a particular Community flavor.

My implication here, of course, being that he made up the role and thus answered based on what he imagined the PM might have said.

My role PM also uses standard mafia terms. That's a great observation, Chang.

Oh damn, that's a hell of a catch. I can confirm that my own PM doesn't buck any established terms or trends.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Hah.

Yeah kill Wall. And give me my damn flowers for being so good at day 1 that I nailed him before he posted.

You don't get flowers for something that is 0% skill based. If anything it'll make you seem more sus for possibly setting yourself up for a late game scum win.

Yeah like i said before i wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a fast one on me and sweet talked his way into my heart.

Kirby has convinced me on the corrik/ Blade bit, too.

UltimaterializerX posted...

No offense to Isquen here but I highly doubt Lea would outright lie to her players.

I mean, my N1 PM was ambiguous. I don't know if I actually targeted Wallz or not last night. I just know that my action was successful. MZero's the only known town role that could've redirected me, and I doubt scum would redirect me to themselves.

I absolutely would not be surprised if Corrik was either full of shit and quintupled down just to be an ass... or if he actually believes he targeted Blade but was redirected elsewhere.

Kirby321 posted...

... Is this a serious question?

Ask yourself if Blade has backed down or sheeped away from Corrik's claim. The answer is a very obvious no. Blade isn't saying that Corrik is mistaken. Blade is outright saying that he was definitively not roleblocked.

Both of them are fiercely insisting that they're telling the truth.

As would I if I had sent in a succesful action that someone claimed to have succesfully blocked.
Granted I forgot taunter was a thing