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GrandConjuraton 05/03/24 12:52:21 PM #51:	CSCA33 posted... Transphobic bigots continue to be worthless and ridiculously absurd. --- When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:980220655] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>Transphobic bigots continue to be worthless and ridiculously absurd.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 1:01:15 PM #52:	CSCA33 posted... and the author has even had to walk parts of it back. This gives the impression the author had an agenda. She's been on record for stating people are taking parts out of context or an admissions that a lot of additional research needs to happen and more importantly proper conversations that aren't toxic \ agenda'd take place. There is a heavy focus on the care of the patient and providing more support and communication. Especially in follow up care. I strongly suggest people listen to interviews with Cass and read the report themselves rather than just reading click bait headlines \ articles that have digested and summarised it which may be biased. Here are the actual recommendations from the review: https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/ Services must operate to the same standards as other services seeing children and young people with complex presentations and/or additional risk factors. Expand capacity through a distributed service model, based in paediatric services and with stronger links between secondary and specialist services. Children/ young people referred to NHS gender services must receive a holistic assessment of their needs to inform an individualised care plan. This should include screening for neurodevelopmental conditions. Standard evidence based psychological and psychopharmacological treatment approaches should be used to support the management of the associated distress from gender incongruence and cooccurring conditions, including support for parents/carers and siblings as appropriate. Services should establish a separate pathway for pre-pubertal children and their families. ensuring that they are prioritised for early discussion about how parents can best support their child in a balanced and non-judgemental way. When families/carers are making decisions about social transition of pre-pubertal children, services should ensure that they can be seen as early as possible by a clinical professional with relevant experience. NHS England should ensure that each Regional Centre has a follow-through service for 1725-year-olds; either by extending the range of the regional children and young peoples service or through linked services, to ensure continuity of care and support at a potentially vulnerable stage in their journey. This will also allow clinical, and research follow up data to be collected. There needs to be provision for people considering detransition, recognising that they may not wish to re-engage with the services whose care they were previously under. A full programme of research should be established to look at the characteristics, interventions and outcomes of every young person presenting to the NHS gender services. The puberty blocker trial previously announced by NHS England should be part of a programme of research which also evaluates outcomes of psychosocial interventions and masculinising/ feminising hormones. The option to provide masculinising/feminising hormones from age 16 is available, but the Review recommends extreme caution. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18. Every case considered for medical treatment should be discussed at a national Multi- Disciplinary Team (MDT). Implications of private healthcare on any future requests to the NHS for treatment, monitoring and/or involvement in research, and the dispensing responsibilities of pharmacists of private prescriptions needs to be clearly communicated. All the above recommendations seems to be geared towards helping people and seem fair to me. I think we all agree there needs to be more support available and ultimately this is reflected in the underlying findings and recommendations of the report from my understanding. People are free to read the full report above and criticise it but please do so rather than resorting to only reading headlines \ digests. I'm genuniely curious what people think once they've read the report fully. The full report is over 350 pages long so it's important people read the underlying report imo. --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980220794] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>and the author has even had to walk parts of it back.</quote>This gives the impression the author had an agenda. She's been on record for stating people are taking parts out of context or an admissions that a lot of additional research needs to happen and more importantly proper conversations that aren't toxic \ agenda'd take place. There is a heavy focus on the care of the patient and providing more support and communication. Especially in follow up care.I strongly suggest people listen to interviews with Cass and read the report themselves rather than just reading click bait headlines \ articles that have digested and summarised it which may be biased.Here are the actual recommendations from the review:https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/Services must operate to the same standards as other services seeing children and young people with complex presentations and/or additional risk factors.Expand capacity through a distributed service model, based in paediatric services and with stronger links between secondary and specialist services.Children/ young people referred to NHS gender services must receive a holistic assessment of their needs to inform an individualised care plan. This should include screening for neurodevelopmental conditions.Standard evidence based psychological and psychopharmacological treatment approaches should be used to support the management of the associated distress from gender incongruence and cooccurring conditions, including support for parents/carers and siblings as appropriate.Services should establish a separate pathway for pre-pubertal children and their families. ensuring that they are prioritised for early discussion about how parents can best support their child in a balanced and non-judgemental way. When families/carers are making decisions about social transition of pre-pubertal children, services should ensure that they can be seen as early as possible by a clinical professional with relevant experience.NHS England should ensure that each Regional Centre has a follow-through service for 1725-year-olds; either by extending the range of the regional children and young peoples service or through linked services, to ensure continuity of care and support at a potentially vulnerable stage in their journey. This will also allow clinical, and research follow up data to be collected. There needs to be provision for people considering detransition, recognising that they may not wish to re-engage with the services whose care they were previously under.A full programme of research should be established to look at the characteristics, interventions and outcomes of every young person presenting to the NHS gender services.The puberty blocker trial previously announced by NHS England should be part of a programme of research which also evaluates outcomes of psychosocial interventions and masculinising/ feminising hormones.The option to provide masculinising/feminising hormones from age 16 is available, but the Review recommends extreme caution. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18. Every case considered for medical treatment should be discussed at a national Multi- Disciplinary Team (MDT).Implications of private healthcare on any future requests to the NHS for treatment, monitoring and/or involvement in research, and the dispensing responsibilities of pharmacists of private prescriptions needs to be clearly communicated.All the above recommendations seems to be geared towards helping people and seem fair to me. I think we all agree there needs to be more support available and ultimately this is reflected in the underlying findings and recommendations of the report from my understanding. People are free to read the full report above and criticise it but please do so rather than resorting to only reading headlines \ digests. I'm genuniely curious what people think once they've read the report fully. The full report is over 350 pages long so it's important people read the underlying report imo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
famfam 05/03/24 1:10:54 PM #53:	here is where sex =/= gender is relevant. single sex is single sex. gender is irrelevant <cite>famfam posted [p:980220911] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>here is where sex =/= gender is relevant. single sex is single sex. gender is irrelevant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 05/03/24 1:17:17 PM #55:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Because bigotry. --- When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:980221016] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Because bigotry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/03/24 1:42:07 PM #56:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If it were just a random report, there would be no problem. Unfortunately, it is an 'independent' report commissioned by the UK government, it's going to form the basis of UK healthcare policy for trans children and young people, regardless of who is in government. Sadly, there is widespread indifference and ignorance (at best) towards the plight of trans people in the UK, and that is across the political spectrum. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:980221387] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If it were just a random report, there would be no problem.Unfortunately, it is an 'independent' report commissioned by the UK government, it's going to form the basis of UK healthcare policy for trans children and young people, regardless of who is in government.Sadly, there is widespread indifference and ignorance (at best) towards the plight of trans people in the UK, and that is across the political spectrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 1:53:25 PM #57:	SHRlKE posted... [snip] Thats a lot of words to show you are out of your element and dont have the faintest idea of what constitutes an appropriate approach to healthcare for trans people. What you have demonstrated is that you are capable of using the copy/paste function, though, and are a biased and untrustworthy source for any kind of informed opinion in this area. Since you want to bring up detransition while youre here, however, the overwhelming vast majority of people who detransition are actually trans people, not cisgender people who discovered they werent trans or unsure of their gender identity (which is less than 3%, from a group that is only about one percent, whom are only a few percent of the entire population.) This can be due to lack of support, changing laws, loss of access to healthcare, medical, financial, job/education related, and/or other personal family issues. Tattoos, elective cosmetic surgical procedures, and child birth have higher rates of regret reported than gender affirming surgery. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980221548] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>[snip]</quote>Thats a lot of words to show you are out of your element and dont have the faintest idea of what constitutes an appropriate approach to healthcare for trans people.What you have demonstrated is that you are capable of using the copy/paste function, though, and are a biased and untrustworthy source for any kind of informed opinion in this area.Since you want to bring up detransition while youre here, however, the overwhelming vast majority of people who detransition are actually trans people, not cisgender people who discovered they werent trans or unsure of their gender identity (which is less than 3%, from a group that is only about one percent, whom are only a few percent of the entire population.) This can be due to lack of support, changing laws, loss of access to healthcare, medical, financial, job/education related, and/or other personal family issues. Tattoos, elective cosmetic surgical procedures, and child birth have higher rates of regret reported than gender affirming surgery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 05/03/24 2:00:02 PM #58:	CSCA33 posted... which is less than 3% With severe rounding and giving the "but detransitioners" argument every advantage. I did the math once myself and that's what I had to do to reach 3%. And I had to assume that the 3% that represented "detransitioned due to a lack of affirming environment or out of fear" were all "I wasn't really trans." Strangely, we don't wring are hands over treatments that are less effective. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:980221646] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>which is less than 3%</quote>With severe rounding and giving the "but detransitioners" argument every advantage.I did the math once myself and that's what I had to do to reach 3%. And I had to assume that the 3% that represented "detransitioned due to a lack of affirming environment or out of fear" were all "I wasn't really trans."Strangely, we don't wring are hands over treatments that are less effective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 2:06:11 PM #59:	If they want comprehensive professional guidelines for providing an appropriate standard of care that relies on an evidence based approach, that literally already exists for many decades and also receives updates. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980221738] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>If they want comprehensive professional guidelines for providing an appropriate standard of care that relies on an evidence based approach, that literally already exists for many decades and also receives updates. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:33:02 PM #60:	CSCA33 posted... Thats a lot of words to show you are out of your element and dont have the faintest idea of what constitutes an appropriate approach to healthcare for trans people. What you have demonstrated is that you are capable of using the copy/paste function, though, and are a biased and untrustworthy source for any kind of informed opinion in this area. Since you want to bring up detransition while youre here, however, the overwhelming vast majority of people who detransition are actually trans people, not cisgender people who discovered they werent trans or unsure of their gender identity (which is less than 3%, from a group that is only about one percent, whom are only a few percent of the entire population.) This can be due to lack of support, changing laws, loss of access to healthcare, medical, financial, job/education related, and/or other personal family issues. Tattoos, elective cosmetic surgical procedures, and child birth have higher rates of regret reported than gender affirming surgery. Thats an awful lot of shade to throw my way when I essentially said read the report and I agree more support should be given to trans people. But sure continue mischaracterising my post . --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222127] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>Thats a lot of words to show you are out of your element and dont have the faintest idea of what constitutes an appropriate approach to healthcare for trans people.What you have demonstrated is that you are capable of using the copy/paste function, though, and are a biased and untrustworthy source for any kind of informed opinion in this area.Since you want to bring up detransition while youre here, however, the overwhelming vast majority of people who detransition are actually trans people, not cisgender people who discovered they werent trans or unsure of their gender identity (which is less than 3%, from a group that is only about one percent, whom are only a few percent of the entire population.) This can be due to lack of support, changing laws, loss of access to healthcare, medical, financial, job/education related, and/or other personal family issues. Tattoos, elective cosmetic surgical procedures, and child birth have higher rates of regret reported than gender affirming surgery.</quote>Thats an awful lot of shade to throw my way when I essentially said read the report and I agree more support should be given to trans people. But sure continue mischaracterising my post . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
invertedlegdrop 05/03/24 2:35:26 PM #61:	The UK still reeling from Theres Something About Miranda I see --- Political correctness is the fascism of the 90s-Roger Ebert I don't have pet peeves, I have major psychotic ******* hatreds-George Carlin <cite>invertedlegdrop posted [p:980222166] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>The UK still reeling from Theres Something About Miranda I see </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 2:36:21 PM #62:	SHRlKE posted... Thats an awful lot of shade to throw my way when I essentially said read the report and I agree more support should be given to trans people. But sure continue mischaracterising my post. . The first thing that can be done to help trans people or detransitioners for that matter is throw that report in the garbage where it belongs, instead of promoting it and telling people they need to read it. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980222177] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>Thats an awful lot of shade to throw my way when I essentially said read the report and I agree more support should be given to trans people. But sure continue mischaracterising my post. .</quote>The first thing that can be done to help trans people or detransitioners for that matter is throw that report in the garbage where it belongs, instead of promoting it and telling people they need to read it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sandalorn 05/03/24 2:36:25 PM #63:	This must feel like a holiday for Rowling. <cite>Sandalorn posted [p:980222179] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>This must feel like a holiday for Rowling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:36:47 PM #64:	GranAures posted... With severe rounding and giving the "but detransitioners" argument every advantage. I did the math once myself and that's what I had to do to reach 3%. And I had to assume that the 3% that represented "didn't detransition due to a lack of affirming environment or out of fear" were all "I wasn't really trans." Strangely, we don't wring are hands over treatments that are less effective. You seem to be mischaracterising me. Trans people need more support. People that want to detransition should also be supported. I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well. I also think trans people should be supported after they have transitioned more than they currently are. --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222187] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>With severe rounding and giving the "but detransitioners" argument every advantage.I did the math once myself and that's what I had to do to reach 3%. And I had to assume that the 3% that represented "didn't detransition due to a lack of affirming environment or out of fear" were all "I wasn't really trans."Strangely, we don't wring are hands over treatments that are less effective.</quote>You seem to be mischaracterising me. Trans people need more support. People that want to detransition should also be supported. I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well. I also think trans people should be supported after they have transitioned more than they currently are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 2:37:48 PM #65:	famfam posted... here is where sex =/= gender is relevant. single sex is single sex. gender is irrelevant I didnt get around to this yet but you are wrong and this is harmful to promote, particularly in a medical context or setting where you are dealing with the health of patients. --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980222206] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>famfam posted... </cite><quote>here is where sex =/= gender is relevant. single sex is single sex. gender is irrelevant</quote>I didnt get around to this yet but you are wrong and this is harmful to promote, particularly in a medical context or setting where you are dealing with the health of patients. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 05/03/24 2:39:14 PM #66:	Sandalorn posted... This must feel like a holiday for Rowling. She supports the same report. Which should tell anybody what they need to know about it. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:980222225] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Sandalorn posted... </cite><quote>This must feel like a holiday for Rowling.</quote>She supports the same report.Which should tell anybody what they need to know about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:40:24 PM #67:	CSCA33 posted... The first thing that can be done to help trans people or detransitioners for that matter is throw that report in the garbage where it belongs, instead of promoting it and telling people they need to read it. The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that? --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222240] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>The first thing that can be done to help trans people or detransitioners for that matter is throw that report in the garbage where it belongs, instead of promoting it and telling people they need to read it.</quote>The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyCircuitry 05/03/24 2:40:59 PM #68:	SHRlKE posted... You seem to be mischaracterising me. Trans people need more support. People that want to detransition should also be supported. I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well. I also think trans people should be supported after they have transitioned more than they currently are. Detransitioners need to be supported before they even reach that point Chances are the # of detransitioners approaches zero once being trans isn't met with hate and violence. It's the #1 reason people detransition. --- 1312 // https://www.last.fm/user/crushedaria ~[she/her\|they/them]~ <cite>FaultyCircuitry posted [p:980222247] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>You seem to be mischaracterising me. Trans people need more support. People that want to detransition should also be supported. I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well. I also think trans people should be supported after they have transitioned more than they currently are.</quote>Detransitioners need to be supported before they even reach that point Chances are the # of detransitioners approaches zero once being trans isn't met with hate and violence.It's the #1 reason people detransition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 2:42:17 PM #70:	SHRlKE posted... The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that? SHRlKE posted... The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that? Im sure the nazis thought they were helping the world too in some twisted way, doesnt mean thats what they were actually doing back then --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980222266] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that?</quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that?</quote>Im sure the nazis thought they were helping the world too in some twisted way, doesnt mean thats what they were actually doing back then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:42:39 PM #71:	FaultyCircuitry posted... Detransitioners need to be supported before they even reach that point Chances are the # of detransitioners approaches zero once being trans isn't met with hate and violence. It's the #1 reason people detransition. I agree completely that that is a big part of why some people want to detransition and I am 100% against people that use hate and violence against trans people. I completely advocate more support before, during and after transitioning for trans people. Im not living in some lala land. The likes of Rowling need to go extinct. The UK is an awful place for trans people and we need to do better as a country and the trans divide is being pushed by some politicians as a divide and conquer tactic. Thats disgusting and needs to be fought at every turn. --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222274] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>FaultyCircuitry posted... </cite><quote>Detransitioners need to be supported before they even reach that point Chances are the # of detransitioners approaches zero once being trans isn't met with hate and violence.It's the #1 reason people detransition.</quote>I agree completely that that is a big part of why some people want to detransition and I am 100% against people that use hate and violence against trans people.I completely advocate more support before, during and after transitioning for trans people. Im not living in some lala land. The likes of Rowling need to go extinct. The UK is an awful place for trans people and we need to do better as a country and the trans divide is being pushed by some politicians as a divide and conquer tactic. Thats disgusting and needs to be fought at every turn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 05/03/24 2:45:27 PM #72:	SHRlKE posted... I agree completely that that is a big part of why some people want to detransition and I am 100% against people that use hate and violence against trans people. I completely advocate more support before, during and after transitioning for trans people. Im not living in some lala land. The likes of Rowling need to go extinct. The UK is an awful place for trans people and we need to do better as a country and the trans divide is being pushed by some politicians as a divide and conquer tactic. Thats disgusting and needs to be fought at every turn. For fuck's sake, maybe instead of telling us how supportive you are you should consider listening to all the trans people directly telling you you're fucking it up. Just a consideration. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980222314] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>I agree completely that that is a big part of why some people want to detransition and I am 100% against people that use hate and violence against trans people.I completely advocate more support before, during and after transitioning for trans people. Im not living in some lala land. The likes of Rowling need to go extinct. The UK is an awful place for trans people and we need to do better as a country and the trans divide is being pushed by some politicians as a divide and conquer tactic. Thats disgusting and needs to be fought at every turn.</quote>For fuck's sake, maybe instead of telling us how supportive you are you should consider listening to all the trans people directly telling you you're fucking it up.Just a consideration. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 05/03/24 2:45:48 PM #73:	CSCA33 posted... Im sure the nazis thought they were helping the world too in some twisted way, doesnt mean thats what they were actually doing back then Speaking of which: it would have been nice if they didn't burn the medical knowledge that existed on this topic. We'd all be a lot better off. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:980222321] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>Im sure the nazis thought they were helping the world too in some twisted way, doesnt mean thats what they were actually doing back then</quote>Speaking of which: it would have been nice if they didn't burn the medical knowledge that existed on this topic.We'd all be a lot better off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:46:38 PM #74:	DrizztLink posted... For fuck's sake, maybe instead of telling us how supportive you are you should consider listening to all the trans people directly telling you you're fucking it up. Just a consideration. How is advocating for more support fucking it up? --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222334] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>For fuck's sake, maybe instead of telling us how supportive you are you should consider listening to all the trans people directly telling you you're fucking it up.Just a consideration.</quote>How is advocating for more support fucking it up? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 05/03/24 2:47:17 PM #75:	LonelyStoner posted... Ive never heard him speak, but imagining that face with a British accent somehow makes me even angrier than it would with an American accent. What an odd thing to nitpick about, tbh. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:980222344] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>LonelyStoner posted... </cite><quote>Ive never heard him speak, but imagining that face with a British accent somehow makes me even angrier than it would with an American accent.</quote>What an odd thing to nitpick about, tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 2:47:58 PM #76:	GranAures posted... Speaking of which: it would have been nice if they didn't burn the medical knowledge that existed on this topic. We'd all be a lot better off. This report takes much of the research we have to support gender affirming care now and explicitly disregards it --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980222354] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>GranAures posted... </cite><quote>Speaking of which: it would have been nice if they didn't burn the medical knowledge that existed on this topic.We'd all be a lot better off.</quote>This report takes much of the research we have to support gender affirming care now and explicitly disregards it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 05/03/24 2:48:03 PM #77:	SHRlKE posted... How is advocating for more support fucking it up? Have you stopped parroting a terrible report yet? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980222357] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>How is advocating for more support fucking it up?</quote>Have you stopped parroting a terrible report yet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 05/03/24 2:50:40 PM #78:	CSCA33 posted... This report takes much of the research we have to support gender affirming care now and explicitly disregards it Oh, I know. Just more a follow up comment at the mention of Nazis. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. He/They <cite>GranAures posted [p:980222390] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>CSCA33 posted... </cite><quote>This report takes much of the research we have to support gender affirming care now and explicitly disregards it</quote>Oh, I know. Just more a follow up comment at the mention of Nazis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat_More_Beef 05/03/24 2:57:46 PM #79:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This makes a little of sense. I forgot about the hormones and all that jazz. Thanks for the check on the language, by the way. One question, though. If someone is AFAB, transitions, and ends up with ovarian cancer(I'm assuming they can still get it?), they'd be placed in the women's ward, no? I've never seen an AFAB in the women's wards I've worked (I'm a janitor at a hospital), so I'm curious as to how that works. --- I wrote a horror novel, called "Spare Parts." A whole damn novel! You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat_More_Beef posted [p:980222497] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This makes a little of sense. I forgot about the hormones and all that jazz. Thanks for the check on the language, by the way.One question, though. If someone is AFAB, transitions, and ends up with ovarian cancer(I'm assuming they can still get it?), they'd be placed in the women's ward, no? I've never seen an AFAB in the women's wards I've worked (I'm a janitor at a hospital), so I'm curious as to how that works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 2:59:06 PM #80:	DrizztLink posted... Have you stopped parroting a terrible report yet? Just ignore the report for a second. Lets have a hypothetical conversation about purely the high level recommendations I posted. Do you have an issue with those recommendations in isolation? --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222520] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>Have you stopped parroting a terrible report yet?</quote>Just ignore the report for a second. Lets have a hypothetical conversation about purely the high level recommendations I posted. Do you have an issue with those recommendations in isolation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 05/03/24 3:01:29 PM #81:	Izual being Izual it seems. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:980222563] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Izual being Izual it seems. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 05/03/24 3:03:25 PM #82:	SHRlKE posted... Just ignore the report for a second. Lets have a hypothetical conversation about purely the high level recommendations I posted. Do you have an issue with those recommendations in isolation? The recommendations that sprung from the shitass report in question? The recommendations that are intrinsically connected to said aforementioned shitass report? Just ignore the background information and humor their conclusions? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980222597] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>Just ignore the report for a second. Lets have a hypothetical conversation about purely the high level recommendations I posted. Do you have an issue with those recommendations in isolation?</quote>The recommendations that sprung from the shitass report in question?The recommendations that are intrinsically connected to said aforementioned shitass report?Just ignore the background information and humor their conclusions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 3:12:49 PM #83:	Look if you wont answer any of my posts theres no point continuing here. Not once has someone actually explained what their issue is with the report to me. Ive been met with hostility and mischaracterisation despite me repeating time and time again how I support more support for trans people. I dont get it. --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980222744] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Look if you wont answer any of my posts theres no point continuing here. Not once has someone actually explained what their issue is with the report to me. Ive been met with hostility and mischaracterisation despite me repeating time and time again how I support more support for trans people. I dont get it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 05/03/24 3:13:43 PM #84:	Oh no, don't threaten not to continue. That'd be just awful. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980222755] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Oh no, don't threaten not to continue.That'd be just awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 05/03/24 5:24:44 PM #86:	Eat_More_Beef posted... I can kinda see why. Now, maybe I'm ignorant in the subject, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but women's wards aren't about keeping women away from men for safety, it's because the doctors/nurses that work on those wards are specialists in the anatomy of a biological woman. You start dropping biological dudes in there, then you need more doctors for a specificity that is no longer specific. Like, don't put heart problem patients on the cancer ward. I apologize if some of my nomenclature is outta date. Just correct me if so and I'll change my wording. This is sort of a misunderstanding of the NHS usage of the term ward. In the US a ward is like a department, a cluster of individual rooms for one or two patients all requiring the same kind of care and sectioned off from the rest of the hospital. In NHS hospitals, instead of having clustered rooms for individuals, generally have large rooms with 4-8 beds with privacy curtains and a single shared bathroom. These beds are under the supervision of a single head nurse, and the room itself is called a ward. Some wards are specialized (maternity, oncology, emergency, etc.) but even the general population are all placed in wards. Under the 2012 amended NHS Constitution, all NHS wards must be single-sex, with exceptions for certain emergency situations or wards for certain kinds of treatment such as chemotherapy. This means that if you are admitted to an NHS hospital as a general patient, you are placed in a mens ward or a womens ward. The new proposal would see that transgender women are not allowed to be placed in wards for women, meaning they would either be placed in mens wards, or they would have to have separate wards specifically for transgender patients. --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:980224768] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Eat_More_Beef posted... </cite><quote>I can kinda see why. Now, maybe I'm ignorant in the subject, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but women's wards aren't about keeping women away from men for safety, it's because the doctors/nurses that work on those wards are specialists in the anatomy of a biological woman.You start dropping biological dudes in there, then you need more doctors for a specificity that is no longer specific.Like, don't put heart problem patients on the cancer ward.I apologize if some of my nomenclature is outta date. Just correct me if so and I'll change my wording.</quote>This is sort of a misunderstanding of the NHS usage of the term ward. In the US a ward is like a department, a cluster of individual rooms for one or two patients all requiring the same kind of care and sectioned off from the rest of the hospital. In NHS hospitals, instead of having clustered rooms for individuals, generally have large rooms with 4-8 beds with privacy curtains and a single shared bathroom. These beds are under the supervision of a single head nurse, and the room itself is called a ward. Some wards are specialized (maternity, oncology, emergency, etc.) but even the general population are all placed in wards. Under the 2012 amended NHS Constitution, all NHS wards must be single-sex, with exceptions for certain emergency situations or wards for certain kinds of treatment such as chemotherapy.This means that if you are admitted to an NHS hospital as a general patient, you are placed in a mens ward or a womens ward. The new proposal would see that transgender women are not allowed to be placed in wards for women, meaning they would either be placed in mens wards, or they would have to have separate wards specifically for transgender patients. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CSCA33 05/03/24 5:42:56 PM #87:	"sorry if this sounds transphobic, but I can't be arsed to do a few seconds of googling to avoid misgendering trans people and using highly offensive and bigoted language to refer to people." --- [click here] pronouns incoming SHE HAS PRONOUNS!>(She/Her)<CHECK OUT my PRONOUNS <cite>CSCA33 posted [p:980224998] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>"sorry if this sounds transphobic, but I can't be arsed to do a few seconds of googling to avoid misgendering trans people and using highly offensive and bigoted language to refer to people." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/03/24 6:27:47 PM #88:	SHRlKE posted... Have you seen the election results today conservatives have been decimated https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2696b096.jpg @unfairrepresent even worse now https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/00e8314d.jpg --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980225616] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>Have you seen the election results today conservatives have been decimated https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2696b096.jpg</quote>@unfairrepresenteven worse now https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/00e8314d.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 05/04/24 6:45:00 AM #89:	SHRlKE posted... even worse now 'Not that bad 'Could be worse' 'No need for a general election 'Sunak defies the odds' --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:980232214] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>even worse now</quote>'Not that bad 'Could be worse''No need for a general election 'Sunak defies the odds' </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 05/04/24 6:46:06 AM #90:	Trelve posted... And I'll leave this here. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68770641 That Cass woman is an absolute quack. Also, does "honorary" mean something different in the UK? Because if I ever went to someone who was an "honorary" doctor, instead of a real one, and no one told me (in the same way that BBC link calls her a pediatrician, but she's just an "honorary" one), I'd be extremely pissed. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:980232219] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite><quote>And I'll leave this here. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-68770641</quote>That Cass woman is an absolute quack.Also, does "honorary" mean something different in the UK? Because if I ever went to someone who was an "honorary" doctor, instead of a real one, and no one told me (in the same way that BBC link calls her a pediatrician, but she's just an "honorary" one), I'd be extremely pissed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/04/24 6:53:04 AM #91:	DnDer posted... That Cass woman is an absolute quack. Also, does "honorary" mean something different in the UK? Because if I ever went to someone who was an "honorary" doctor, instead of a real one, and no one told me (in the same way that BBC link calls her a pediatrician, but she's just an "honorary" one), I'd be extremely pissed. She's a real doctor with a medical degree. She is also a former President of the Royal College of Pediatrics and has done pioneering work for kids with neurodevelopment disorders. Her qualifications are perfectly sound, even if her report is not. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:980232255] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>That Cass woman is an absolute quack.Also, does "honorary" mean something different in the UK? Because if I ever went to someone who was an "honorary" doctor, instead of a real one, and no one told me (in the same way that BBC link calls her a pediatrician, but she's just an "honorary" one), I'd be extremely pissed. </quote>She's a real doctor with a medical degree.She is also a former President of the Royal College of Pediatrics and has done pioneering work for kids with neurodevelopment disorders. Her qualifications are perfectly sound, even if her report is not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leonkr41138 05/04/24 6:55:11 AM #92:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] they say trans women are actually men and are protecting women from those men, I dont know what their politicians think --- Ok kupo <cite>leonkr41138 posted [p:980232266] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> they say trans women are actually men and are protecting women from those men, I dont know what their politicians think </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 05/04/24 7:02:47 AM #93:	SHRlKE posted... On first glance the above recommendations seems to be geared towards helping people which I guess is what we all want. I think we all agree there needs to be more support available and ultimately this is reflected in the recommendations of the report. People are free to read the full report above and criticise it but please do so rather than resorting to only reading headlines \ digests. I'm genuinely curious what people think once they've read the report fully. The full report is over 350 pages long so it's important people read the underlying report imo. The original BBC article talks about Cass' conclusions being "it's not trans, it's the autism." (Literally, see the original link where she says, "So rather than doing the things that they would do for other young people with depression, or anxiety, or perhaps undiagnosed autistic spectrum disorder, they've tended to pass them straight on to the Gid service.") And her statements pulled from nowhere about the dangers of puberty blockers, calling them experimental. She believes de-transitioners are doing it because they regret transitioning when other, actual science explained why people do de-transition (hint: it's not because the transition made them unhappy). None of what she's offered publicly to support her "report," seems remotely grounded in any good science that is already known about trans issues. (Catching up, I see CSCA and GranAures already took you to task over this.) SHRlKE posted... I essentially said read the report No, you said it like Ben Shapiro might say it. SHRlKE posted... I strongly suggest people listen to interviews with Cass and read the report themselves rather than just reading click bait headlines \ articles that have digested and summarised it which may be biased. "If you'd just read Peterson's 6,167 page book and his 414 hours of YouTube lectures before commenting instead of repeating what the media says, you'll know what he really meant was..." That's a dance we've heard before time and again on other issues from other "experts," and it still doesn't fly. SHRlKE posted... I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well. They need to be supported, sure. But not into de-transitioning. They need to be supported for who they are. Because, as noted above, they don't want to de-transition because they "didn't like it." (Circuitry got to this point, too. Feels like it should be repeated a few more times, though.) SHRlKE posted... The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that? The report doesn't... really say those things. Neither does Cass. You're creating a smoke screen because "aren't toxic" and "continuous research" are, among other phrases in the report, disingenuous at best, and screaming dog whistles at worst. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:980232307] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>On first glance the above recommendations seems to be geared towards helping people which I guess is what we all want. I think we all agree there needs to be more support available and ultimately this is reflected in the recommendations of the report. People are free to read the full report above and criticise it but please do so rather than resorting to only reading headlines \ digests. I'm genuinely curious what people think once they've read the report fully. The full report is over 350 pages long so it's important people read the underlying report imo.</quote>The original BBC article talks about Cass' conclusions being "it's not trans, it's the autism." (Literally, see the original link where she says, "So rather than doing the things that they would do for other young people with depression, or anxiety, or perhaps undiagnosed autistic spectrum disorder, they've tended to pass them straight on to the Gid service.") And her statements pulled from nowhere about the dangers of puberty blockers, calling them experimental. She believes de-transitioners are doing it because they regret transitioning when other, actual science explained why people do de-transition (hint: it's not because the transition made them unhappy).None of what she's offered publicly to support her "report," seems remotely grounded in any good science that is already known about trans issues.(Catching up, I see CSCA and GranAures already took you to task over this.)SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>I essentially said read the report</quote>No, you said it like Ben Shapiro might say it.SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>I strongly suggest people listen to interviews with Cass and read the report themselves rather than just reading click bait headlines \ articles that have digested and summarised it which may be biased.</quote>"If you'd just read Peterson's 6,167 page book and his 414 hours of YouTube lectures before commenting instead of repeating what the media says, you'll know what he really meant was..."That's a dance we've heard before time and again on other issues from other "experts," and it still doesn't fly.SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>I completely accept its only a small minority that want to detransition but they should be supported as well.</quote>They need to be supported, sure. But not into de-transitioning. They need to be supported for who they are. Because, as noted above, they don't want to de-transition because they "didn't like it."(Circuitry got to this point, too. Feels like it should be repeated a few more times, though.)SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>The report where the overwhelming high level recommendations are to provide more support for trans people? The report that says we need more conversations that arent toxic? The report that states there should be continuous research to make sure patient outcomes are as best as possible? The report that accepts trans people dont get the same level of care as other patients and recommends that the care should increase before, during and after transitioning? You want people to ignore that?</quote>The report doesn't... really say those things. Neither does Cass. You're creating a smoke screen because "aren't toxic" and "continuous research" are, among other phrases in the report, disingenuous at best, and screaming dog whistles at worst. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 05/04/24 7:04:05 AM #94:	ai123 posted... She's a real doctor with a medical degree. She is also a former President of the Royal College of Pediatrics and has done pioneering work for kids with neurodevelopment disorders. Her qualifications are perfectly sound, even if her report is not. No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific. Hilary Dawn CassOBE FRCN FRCGP is a British honorary physician in paediatric disability at the Evelina Hospital, part of Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust, and former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.[1] --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:980232311] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>She's a real doctor with a medical degree.She is also a former President of the Royal College of Pediatrics and has done pioneering work for kids with neurodevelopment disorders. Her qualifications are perfectly sound, even if her report is not.</quote>No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific.<quote>Hilary Dawn CassOBE FRCN FRCGP is a British honorary physician in paediatric disability at the Evelina Hospital, part of Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust, and former president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.[1]</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mussurana 05/04/24 7:09:26 AM #95:	DnDer posted... No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific. OBE: Order of the British Empire, General honour. FRCN: Fellow of the Royal College of Nursing FRCGP: Fellow of the Royal College of General Practitioners. --- Pawn Inzoliah, level 100s Thief and Straightforward Logistician PSN Mussurana, Pawn ID 5FLZUEJSOD0C <cite>Mussurana posted [p:980232336] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific.</quote>OBE: Order of the British Empire, General honour.FRCN: Fellow of the Royal College of NursingFRCGP: Fellow of the Royal College of General Practitioners. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/04/24 7:18:31 AM #96:	DnDer posted... No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific. She was given an honorary position at the Evelina Hospital. It's not uncommon for academics/physicians to be given such positions when they retire from full time work. It's a reward for them and good for the hospital to have associations with prominent people in the field. You might serve on a committee or two, get invited to some nice dinners. That kind of thing. She is a genuine, fully qualified paediatric specialist who has done good work in the past. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:980232393] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>No kidding? Can you explain the open of her wiki, then? I need some help grokking her honorific.</quote>She was given an honorary position at the Evelina Hospital. It's not uncommon for academics/physicians to be given such positions when they retire from full time work. It's a reward for them and good for the hospital to have associations with prominent people in the field. You might serve on a committee or two, get invited to some nice dinners. That kind of thing.She is a genuine, fully qualified paediatric specialist who has done good work in the past. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 05/04/24 8:43:25 AM #97:	Yeah, unfortunately it's not at all out of the question for people will full credentials to be bigoted idiots nonetheless --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:980232967] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, unfortunately it's not at all out of the question for people will full credentials to be bigoted idiots nonetheless </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/04/24 8:48:38 AM #98:	Gwynevere posted... Yeah, unfortunately it's not at all out of the question for people will full credentials to be bigoted idiots nonetheless You're right, of course. I wouldn't defend her report, but her qualifications and experience are on point. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:980233012] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, unfortunately it's not at all out of the question for people will full credentials to be bigoted idiots nonetheless</quote>You're right, of course.I wouldn't defend her report, but her qualifications and experience are on point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 05/04/24 9:30:28 AM #99:	DrizztLink posted... Oh no, don't threaten not to continue. That'd be just awful. If your plan was to shut down discussion then congrats. Ill ask outright. What issues are there with the report in your opinion. Maybe there are some and Im not aware. Im happy to admit that. Ive been wrong is the past on issues raise on CE and always been have to admit when Im wrong in the face of new facts or decent discussion. Probably more than most tbh. I just find it ironic how all I said was people should read the report and make their own minds up and I got met with hostility. So in the spirit of actually having a discussion what issues specifically do you have with the report? I explained why I didnt have an issue with the high level recommendations that effectively equated to more support is needed and trans people get a bad deal and trans people care should be increased to the of other people seen by the NHS. I asked what issues you had with those recommendations and just got abuse with no discussion behind it. Im happy to have a discussion but it needs to be both ways. Im not just going to reply and defend myself from accusations with no effort put in from the other side. Lets see if you actually want a discussion or just want to demonise someone wanting to learn more. --- Come join us at the Sudoku + Other Pencil Puzzles Community Board. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1572-sudoku-plus-other-pencil-puzzles <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:980233384] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>Oh no, don't threaten not to continue.That'd be just awful.</quote>If your plan was to shut down discussion then congrats. Ill ask outright. What issues are there with the report in your opinion. Maybe there are some and Im not aware. Im happy to admit that. Ive been wrong is the past on issues raise on CE and always been have to admit when Im wrong in the face of new facts or decent discussion. Probably more than most tbh. I just find it ironic how all I said was people should read the report and make their own minds up and I got met with hostility. So in the spirit of actually having a discussion what issues specifically do you have with the report? I explained why I didnt have an issue with the high level recommendations that effectively equated to more support is needed and trans people get a bad deal and trans people care should be increased to the of other people seen by the NHS. I asked what issues you had with those recommendations and just got abuse with no discussion behind it. Im happy to have a discussion but it needs to be both ways. Im not just going to reply and defend myself from accusations with no effort put in from the other side. Lets see if you actually want a discussion or just want to demonise someone wanting to learn more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 05/04/24 9:40:30 AM #100:	SHRlKE posted... What issues are there with the report in your opinion. Here are some: https://whatthetrans.com/cass-review/ --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:980233485] in UK NHS ban... [t:80759131]...</cite> <quote>SHRlKE posted... </cite><quote>What issues are there with the report in your opinion.</quote>Here are some: https://whatthetrans.com/cass-review/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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