Current Events > GoT actor Joseph Gatt had his career ruined by a false accuser he never even met

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The actor is very weird looking. His roles are often aliens or something along those lines. Its weird a teen girl or whatever would be so in love with him

Dark_Arbron posted...

Am I the only one who read his post and assumed it was sarcastic?

No, I read it that way too.

streamofthesky posted...

I mostly agree, but note this started 2 years ago. That 16 year old is now an adult. She's had this entire time to fess up that nothing actually happened to end this nightmare for Gatt, and hasn't. So I think criticizing that aspect and being angry at her for it is warranted.

100% This.

At this point, this person is now an adult and should understand the scope of the situation.

The person has also been anonymous this whole time. A well drafted public statement admonishing Gatt from these accusations is entirely in their power, and they have chose to do nothing instead.

streamofthesky posted...

Just as a court has to prove the accused guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, so to would they have to prove that the false accuser lied (maliciously) to throw her in jail, so actual victims won't have a paper trail to hang themselves with anyway.

My dude, that's just not how it works.
Sexual assault and related crimes are already difficult to prove due to lack of evidence, victim's trauma, arguments around consent, etc. This is made even harder when considering many rapists are better connected and richer than their victims, they can afford better lawyers and can drag cases out.
So in the case of a legitimate crime, a rapist can get be declared not guilty because of the aforementioned reasons. The people in here who want to punish false accusers will now be enabling the criminal to then go after the victim and force them to have to defend themselves and relive their own rape in court again due to some misguided belief about justice.

LightningThief posted...

I said I'm not joining the debate of how severe the punishment should be. Just as long as it's not a slap on the wrist.

As the person she accused will forever have his life affected by this, and he was among the lucky ones.

As some serve years in prison, lose their careers, and more.

I hope you aren't actually trying to imply here that false accusations of sexual assault doesn't happen, andor that false accusations don't ruin lives. I really hope you aren't asking for proof it ruins lives.

Show me where I implied that false accusations don't happen, or that they do not ruin lives.

You are trying to build a strawman without straw

Then again, I shouldn't be surprised there are actually people going to bat to defend someone who falsely accused someone of a serious crime they didn't actually commit.

She didn't accuse him. Her disturbed fantasy was mistaken as real by a relative. The police and prosecutors decided there were grounds for prosecution.

My position is simple, if the false accusers is proven to have made a false accusation, proven they lied, the false accuser deserves to be punished with something more than just a slap on the wrist.

That's just vague.

It's not just the police and prosecutor. The literal false accuser is a problem too as all this started due to a 16 year old who should know better spreading a lie. This is not a 5 year old. The fact that some are bending into a pretzel to defend false accusers doesn't even shock me anymore.

Teenagers tell lies about their romantic lives. The 16 year old in this case is disturbed and did something wrong. But adults, including experienced investigators and prosecutors should have intervened and stopped this from becoming what it has.

Hinakuluiau posted...

My dude, that's just not how it works.
Sexual assault and related crimes are already difficult to prove due to lack of evidence, victim's trauma, arguments around consent, etc. This is made even harder when considering many rapists are better connected and richer than their victims, they can afford better lawyers and can drag cases out.
So in the case of a legitimate crime, a rapist can get be declared not guilty because of the aforementioned reasons. The people in here who want to punish false accusers will now be enabling the criminal to then go after the victim and force them to have to defend themselves and relive their own rape in court again due to some misguided belief about justice.

They want false accusers to go to jail.
Which means the false accuser has to be proven guilty, just as the originally accused had to be. If there is no proof that she falsely made the accusations and it falls into the same muddled "he said, she said" situation, she would not be found guilty. In fact, a prosecutor wouldn't even take it to trial in the first place w/o evidence, because unlike putting falsely accused men thru the ringer, going after a female accuser w/ no proof would be a "bad look".

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Proving malice is too far, because motivation is nearly impossible. Proving the accusation fictitious is a reasonable standard to set. That isn't the accuser not being able to prove the accusation true, but the accused being able to prove that the alleged event did not and could not have happened.

Two cases I'm personally familiar with: one was a guy accused of assaulting a woman in a Walmart break room. The entire incident was recorded on security cameras from multiple angles and did not in any way resemble the attack she alleged. The second was a guy being accused by his ex of constantly harassing, stalking, and assaulting her. He'd been accused so many times, each time with absolutely no proof, that he requested the police put an ankle monitor on him so he could prove where he was when the inevitable next accusation took place. Within a week she's accused him of raping her while his monitor and other evidence proved he'd been more than a hundred miles away.

Mrbakerman25 posted...

Innocent until proven guilty has really become a thing of the past and the court of public opinion is stronger than ever.

People unironically think Innocent until proven guilty is an outdated concept. Not my words, a fair chunk of people's words.

willythemailboy posted...

Proving malice is too far, because motivation is nearly impossible. Proving the accusation fictitious is a reasonable standard to set. That isn't the accuser not being able to prove the accusation true, but the accused being able to prove that the alleged event did not and could not have happened.

Two cases I'm personally familiar with: one was a guy accused of assaulting a woman in a Walmart break room. The entire incident was recorded on security cameras from multiple angles and did not in any way resemble the attack she alleged. The second was a guy being accused by his ex of constantly harassing, stalking, and assaulting her. He'd been accused so many times, each time with absolutely no proof, that he requested the police put an ankle monitor on him so he could prove where he was when the inevitable next accusation took place. Within a week she's accused him of raping her while his monitor and other evidence proved he'd been more than a hundred miles away.

And cases like this, the accusers 100% should've been put in prison.
I don't know how the fuck anyone thinks these aren't blatant crimes.
And there's hard evidence to prove it was lies.

Hinakuluiau posted...

Sexual assault and related crimes are already difficult to prove due to lack of evidence, victim's trauma, arguments around consent, etc. This is made even harder when considering many rapists are better connected and richer than their victims, they can afford better lawyers and can drag cases out.
So in the case of a legitimate crime, a rapist can get be declared not guilty because of the aforementioned reasons. The people in here who want to punish false accusers will now be enabling the criminal to then go after the victim and force them to have to defend themselves and relive their own rape in court again due to some misguided belief about justice.

Apparently not hanging the accused on the weight of an accusation alone is a "misguided belief about justice". People like you generally operate under the assumption that "if he was accused, even if this particular event didn't happen he probably did it before and never got reported".

Neither of the accusers I discussed in #56 were criminally charged in any way; the one at Walmart was fired but no legal action was ever taken. The second one didn't even get that. Apparently you're fine with that, but the rest of us are not.

20 year MINIMUM sentencing should be the penalty of someone is found out to file a false police report like this or do what this girl did.

The "victim" should face psychological evaluation and jail time. The fantasy she was building and trying to convince others of was disturbing and led to false criminal charges. She could have confessed that it was made up at the very beginning or at any time after to spare an innocent man pain.

That this wasn't dismissed with prejudice is a failure of the justice system. All the parties involved in this farce should be punished.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Another isolated incident

streamofthesky posted...

Sure are a lot of them, eh?

can you stop

Dark_Arbron posted...

Am I the only one who read his post and assumed it was sarcastic? Isolated incident #32768 is what we used to say whenever a Trump supporter shot up a school after posting their intent to do so on social media.

very possible and i take back my response if that's the case. sarcasm detector has broken over the years with people saying wild shit and meaning it.

ai123 posted...

Teenagers tell lies about their romantic lives. The 16 year old in this case is disturbed and did something wrong. But adults, including experienced investigators and prosecutors should have intervened and stopped this from becoming what it has.

OK. And now that she is an adult, as this happened 2 years ago, and she is still anonymous, she can 100% make a statement that clears his name beyond what just the court and investigators have said and did.

Will it change anything, as far as Gatt's employment opportunities? Who knows. But at this point, do we not think she has SOME responsibility on behalf of her family to help clear this man's name?

bigblu89 posted...

OK. And now that she is an adult, as this happened 2 years ago, and she is still anonymous, she can 100% make a statement that clears his name beyond what just the court and investigators have said and did.

Will it change anything, as far as Gatt's employment opportunities? Who knows. But at this point, do we not think she has SOME responsibility on behalf of her family to help clear this man's name?

Yes, I think the best thing she can do is admit that it was all a fantasy and apologize.

Until false accusers face extremely harsh penalties shit like this will continue to be a huge problem.

I love how we are trying to treat a 16 year old girl like she some innocent little girl who couldn't of possibly known better. As if she's some toddler.

Especially made worse as this went on for 2 years.

I'd have the same opinion if this was a fucking 16 year old boy doing stupid shit.

LightningThief posted...

I love how we are trying to treat a 16 year old girl like she some innocent little girl who couldn't of possibly known better. As if she's some toddler.

Especially made worse as this went on for 2 years.

I'd have the same opinion if this was a fucking 16 year old boy doing stupid shit.

Toddlers don't make up fantasies about having sexual relationships with actors.

Teenagers do.

ai123 posted...

Yes, I think the best thing she can do is admit that it was all a fantasy and apologize.

Even then there will be people who think she was pressured onto retracting her claims.

ai123 posted...

Toddlers don't make up fantasies about having sexual relationships with actors.

Teenagers do.

Teenagers don't do this shit either. She told a serious lie, and let others believe that serious lie that led to ruining another human beings life. No, that is not something teenagers do at no fault of their own.

You are just bending into a pretzel to defend someone who should very much know better. She's not a fucking toddler who didn't know better.

This isn't something simply teenagers do, this is something bad people do. The apologists enable this behavior.

Teenagers don't make up stories about being assaulted. Psychos do.

LightningThief posted...

Teenagers don't do this shit either. You are just bending into a pretzel to defend someone who should very much know better. She's not a fucking toddler who didn't know better.

Toddlers and pretzels again! Are you hungry or just fond of stock phrases?

Teenagers do fantasise and lie about their romantic relationships. They can be immature and double down on their lies. Once police and prosecutors get involved, the pressure is enormous and it becomes harder and harder to admit the lie.

Which is why I place the greater blame on the professionals whose job it is to investigate a case and make sure false allegations don't come to court. If the defence could easily show it was all fake, why not the police?

ironman2009 posted...

Teenagers don't make up stories about being assaulted. Psychos do.

This.

Like wtf is wrong with that user trying to downplay what that 16 year old did.

ai123 posted...

Toddlers and pretzels again! Are you hungry or just fond of stock phrases?

I just find it amazing (although not surprising) you are bending over to defend a fucking 16 year like she's too oblivious to know better about her serious actions. While also acting like telling serious lies that ruin people's lives is something teenagers commonly do.

It's ofc not something teenagers commonly do, its something bad people (yound , old, men and women) commonly do. But anything to shed a tear over the poor poor 16 year old girl who should know better right?

In your world it's mostly everyone else's fault she lied, and let the lie go on for 2 years. Not the person who told the lie, no no no, we can't look at the person who told the lie lol.

Arcanine2009 posted...

wtf kind of comment is this?

Chud comment.

Mad props to Gatt's girlfriend, Mercy Malick, who stuck with him throughout all this. Absolute love, trust, and loyalty right there.

ai123 posted...

Teenagers do fantasise and lie about their romantic relationships. They can be immature and double down on their lies.

They lie and brag about all the sex they have to their friends at school. They don't double down on it to the police. At that point they realize "oh shit what the fuck is this" and come clean. My memory is still good enough at 35 to remember that at 16 I wouldn't have been able to keep quiet about my "fantasy" that I knew was screwing a person's life.

Because despite western culture heavily emphasizing "kids are stupid", 16 year olds are not idiots. Other cultures in Europe and Asia entrust things to 16 year olds that the west would be horrified by, yet they seem to do just fine. Naruto is marketed for kids in Japan despite some fairly graphic violence. It's almost like thinking "our laws are right and everyone else is wrong" is moronic.

ironman2009 posted...

Teenagers don't make up stories about being assaulted. Psychos do.

It is becoming the norm for teenagers these days. So you can argue being a psycho is slowly becoming the accepted norm.

Dark_Arbron posted...

They lie and brag about all the sex they have to their friends at school. They don't double down on it to the police. At that point they realize "oh shit what the fuck is this" and come clean.

Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to her

And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

It is becoming the norm for teenagers these days.

It is?

I think we can all agree that some posters on CE love to infantilize teenage girls.

Apparently they are too innocent, naive, and more to know whats right and whats wrong.

mario2000 posted...

It is?

Go on any social media site at all. They love to dox, bully, harass, throw death threats, and go into great detail how they want to torture someone because they like an anime they hate.

I have seen it hundreds, if not thousands of times.

LinkPizza posted...

Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to her

And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police

It's moot if she personally talked to the police or not. She knowingly let the lie go on as if it's true for 2 years. So someone believing her serious accusation and going to the police, doesn't absolve the 16 year old who should very much know better, not speaking up that the accusation never actually happened. Embarrassing or not.

Also only bad people intentionally and knowingly let someone's life get ruined due to a serious lie they started in the first place. Regardless whoever forwarded the lie she started, to the police. She knowingly said nothing as people believed her serious accusation.

Apologist for this girl want to act like this is exclusive behaviour to teenagers or children who would just let a serious lie accusing someone of a crime ruin another person's life. That type of behavior is perpetuated in bad people of all ages and genders.

LinkPizza posted...

Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to her

And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police

Is it even possible to build this case without having the police or the prosecutor talking to her?

LinkPizza posted...

Im confused about this. Did she say anything to the police? It sounds like someone else told the police, but no one talked to her

And, tbh, most teenagers arent going to come clean Most will just try to lie their way out. That said, I wasnt even sure if she talked to the police

I haven't looked deeply into this story so I won't comment on her interactions with the police. But "officer presence" is level 1 on the force continuum for a reason. Teenagers try to bullshit their parents. When uniformed cops are talking to them, it's a different story. It's scary to have cops interrogating you regardless of what you've read about beforehand ("don't say anything without a lawyer" etc.), and believe me, I know that from experience.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

Go on any social media site at all. They love to dox, bully, harass, throw death threats, and go into great detail how they want to torture someone because they like an anime they hate.

I have seen it hundreds, if not thousands of times.

Babbling bullshit on social media is one thing. Talking to police and lawyers in person is another. Heck, the way I'm wording this post? I wouldn't be so forward were we having this conversation in person because I'm not assertive. I'm not so cynical as to believe the internet makes everyone drop all forms of etiquette, but it definitely loosens the noose.

LightningThief posted...

It's moot if she personally talked to the police or not. She knowingly let the lie go on as if it's true for 2 years. So someone believing her serious accusation and going to the police, doesn't absolve the 16 year old who should very much know better, not speaking up that the accusation never actually happened. Embarrassing or not.

Also only bad people intentionally and knowingly let someone's life get ruined due to a serious lie they started in the first place. Regardless whoever forwarded the lie she started, to the police. She knowingly said nothing as people believed her serious accusation.

Apologist for this girl want to act like this is exclusive behaviour to teenagers or children who would just let a serious lie accusing someone of a crime ruin another person's life. That type of behavior is perpetuated in bad people of all ages and genders.

Its not necessarily a moot point depending on what she said if she talked to them We only assume she let the lie go on for 2 years. Its always possible she told the truth, but everyone just didnt believe her. That said, its also possible she did let the lie go on. The problem is we have no idea either way, it seems

Foppe posted...

Is it even possible to build this case without having the police or the prosecutor talking to her?

I think you can. There have been certain cases, IIRC, where the victim isnt pressing charges, but the prosecutor will. And in those cases, I think they can build a case without talking to the the alleged victim. That said, these guys seemed pretty shitty at their job, so I wouldnt put it past them

Dark_Arbron posted...

I haven't looked deeply into this story so I won't comment on her interactions with the police. But "officer presence" is level 1 on the force continuum for a reason. Teenagers try to bullshit their parents. When uniformed cops are talking to them, it's a different story. It's scary to have cops interrogating you regardless of what you've read about beforehand ("don't say anything without a lawyer" etc.), and believe me, I know that from experience.

I havent looked much into it myself. I was just wondering if someone actually talked to her. And if they did, if she actually said something

LinkPizza posted...

Its not necessarily a moot point depending on what she said if she talked to them We only assume she let the lie go on for 2 years. Its always possible she told the truth, but everyone just didnt believe her. That said, its also possible she did let the lie go on. The problem is we have no idea either way, it seems

You're right, I can concede on that much.

IF, and I do mean if she did tell the truth, and constantly told the truth for the past 2 years, and everyone else ignored her, then you are right and I take back all of the negative things I said about her.

However if she told this lie, and let the lie go on for 2 years, regardless who went to the police, I don't retract the things I said about this girl.

LightningThief posted...

You're right, I can concede on that much.

IF, and I do mean if she did tell the truth, and constantly told the truth for the past 2 years, and everyone else ignored her, then you are right and I take back all of the negative things I said about her.

However if she told this lie, and let the lie go on for 2 years, regardless who went to the police, I don't retract the things I said about this girl.

Like I said, I have no idea. She could have been lying for 2 years. But its also possible she told the truth, and no one believed her. Maybe they thought she was trying to protect him. I have no idea. I was wondering if there was any information on this, or if she said anything at all. But Im guessing not

LinkPizza posted...

Like I said, I have no idea. She could have been lying for 2 years. But its also possible she told the truth, and no one believed her. Maybe they thought she was trying to protect him. I have no idea. I was wondering if there was any information on this, or if she said anything at all. But Im guessing not

The alleged crime was a purely long distance / digital communication.
The police/DA can and presumably have (the hundreds of slides of comms mentioned in the article) requested transmission records from phone/internet providers from her phone.
They would have the original Cameo video he sent that was requested and paid for.
If any of the messages she had that were supposedly from him actually were, it can be proven with those records.
This is information that can be and is received with a warrant all the time.

Mrbakerman25 posted...

Innocent until proven guilty has really become a thing of the past and the court of public opinion is stronger than ever.

Social media has become so toxic that 'public opinion' is now far too often screaming about everything-- including witch hunts like this.

RamenNoodles posted...

The actor is very weird looking. His roles are often aliens or something along those lines. Its weird a teen girl or whatever would be so in love with him

Idk man, Benedict Cumberbatch is odd-looking as heck and many many teen girls on Tumblr were obsessed with him. So nothing surprises me anymore.

streamofthesky posted...

The alleged crime was a purely long distance / digital communication.
The police/DA can and presumably have (the hundreds of slides of comms mentioned in the article) requested transmission records from phone/internet providers from her phone.
They would have the original Cameo video he sent that was requested and paid for.
If any of the messages she had that were supposedly from him actually were, it can be proven with those records.
This is information that can be and is received with a warrant all the time.

All of this is true. So the question overall is why the police didn't do any of that due diligence.

An additional question is what the girl has been claiming since it went to the police. But regardless of what she said the above information should have still been what the case was built around from the start. Either it backs up her claims or it disproves them. Apparently the police didn't bother to do either.

Basically, thats what I wanted to know. I want to know what she has been saying officially. Has she backed up the claims against him, or did she tell the truth, and no one believed her? It has she just been radio silent the whole time?

LinkPizza posted...

Basically, thats what I wanted to know. I want to know what she has been saying officially. Has she backed up the claims against him, or did she tell the truth, and no one believed her? It has she just been radio silent the whole time?

I can't see how she could without giving up her anonymity.

I'm tired of the all-men-are-bad and men-are-guilty culture of today. Women can make all the false allegations they want with almost no real, meaningful consequence, and men are guilty until proven innocent and even then there's still cloud hovering over them for life. The accusers get a finger wag.

Nancy Grace, the shrew bitch, was bad about dragging men through the mud for weeks or months, and then when they're not guilty she washes her hands of it and moves on. No apology. No "I was wrong." Nothing. Never happened.