Current Events > Starfield has lost 97% of its Steam players in less than six months

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WingsOfGood posted...

bad faith?

Your very question was answered in the FIRST POST

but fine, let's pretend you were legit ignorant....ok

Here is Baldur Gate 3 numbers today:

9. Baldur's Gate3 110,064

Here is Elden Ring

ELDEN RING 42,703

Basically good games retain 4x more players than Starfield did literally in longer period of time

fyi Elden Ring came out Feb 2022

Yes, criticizing someone for their viewpoint because of Skyrims numbers, while intentionally leaving out the part of their post where they discuss Skyrims numbers in your reply is arguing in bad faith. You must see that, even if you wont respond to this conduct now or in the past when I have raised you doing the same kind of thing.

And this is not the first, or the second, or even the third time I have seen you distort arguments against whatever position you hold in that way.

Bye.

Westernwolf4 posted...

Yes, criticizing someone for their viewpoint because of Skyrims numbers, while intentionally leaving out the part of their post where they discuss Skyrims numbers in your reply is arguing in bad faith. You must see that, even if you wont respond to this conduct now or in the past when I have raised you doing the same kind of thing.

And this is not the first, or the second, or even the third time I have seen you distort arguments against whatever position you hold in that way.

Bye.

you didn't discuss Skyrim numbers

you are even lying about that

and it wasn't your viewpoint

you didn't go "starfield is a good game! that is my opinion!" you asked a misleading question trying to make it seem like this is just normal for single player games when the article literally already addressed that question and said it is not

WingsOfGood posted...

you didn't discuss Skyrim numbers

you are even lying about that

and it wasn't your viewpoint

you didn't go "starfield is a good game! that is my opinion!" you asked a misleading question trying to make it seem like this is just normal for single player games when the article literally already addressed that question and said it is not

Look at the last paragraph of my original post, where I specifically talk about how Bethesda must have been hoping for a Skyrim like performance (which means numbers, even though I didnt write actual numbers duh) but I thought that was unrealistic.

Then, reflect on how not including that part of my post was completely disingenuous. And stupid, because people are capable of scrolling back a few posts to see what I really said if it matters to them.

Then, reflect on the irony of you calling anyone else a liar.

Then, dont feel the need to respond to this or anything else I post here. Or do. I wont read it.

PS: I responded to someone wondering the exact same thing. You are being ridiculous.

Westernwolf4 posted...

Look at the last paragraph of my original post, where I specifically talk about how Bethesda must have been hoping for a Skyrim like performance (which means numbers, even though I didnt write actual numbers duh) but I thought that was unrealistic.

Then, reflect on how not including that part of my post was completely disingenuous. And stupid, because people are capable of scrolling back a few posts to see what I really said if it matters to them.

Then, reflect on the irony of you calling anyone else a liar.

Then, dont feel the need to respond to this or anything else I post here. Or do. I wont read it.

you know it is better to just admit you didn't read the article and missed the part about the numbers than try to save face and lie that you discussed it LMAO

hey even I get lazy at times and don't read articles then I either have to own up on my mistake which is embarrassing or just never return to that topic and hope everyone forgets

but NEVER
NEVER
pretend like "oh well huh huh, actually it was hidden in my post! how dare you!"

wow

Starfield is a super mediocre game so I'm not surprised. If the game was just "Skyrim in space" then it would be a massive improvement over what the game shipped as.

Starfield is set in one of the most boring universes ever and the "exploration" is terribly dull.

You know what I liked about Skyrim? I liked how I can pick up a quest or two at one location that send me halfway across the map and while I was on my way to go do those quests, I would run into some random event, a dungeon or pick up another quest along the way.

This doesn't exist in Starfield even though how heavily they marketed the exploration aspect of the game. This is why a lot of the side quests have you running around within the cities themselves instead of venturing outside the walls... because they knew that there truly is nothing out there.

WingsOfGood posted...

you know it is better to just admit you didn't read the article and missed the part about the numbers than try to save face and lie that you discussed it LMAO

hey even I get lazy at times and don't read articles then I either have to own up on my mistake which is embarrassing or just never return to that topic and hope everyone forgets

but NEVER
NEVER
pretend like "oh well huh huh, actually it was hidden in my post! how dare you!"

wow

Ok, I fibbed about one thing. I did read this drivel while I was shutting off my phone. So I wont read any more of your inane crap starting now, I promise. But Ill say it one more time: It is not hidden. It is the very last paragraph of my original post. It was an original part of my post, not edited.

You just wont acknowledge it because you know I caught you being a jerk and not posting the parts of my post that were inconvenient for the response you wanted to give. You know it is true, because in all our back and forth, you have never once posted my full post. Which is exactly what you did last time you did this exact same move.

Wow indeed. You look really foolish.

Westernwolf4 posted...

Ok, I fibbed about one thing.

bro just say "oops my bad"

but you drew it out and made yourself look bad and you are still trying to save face by saying things like "So I wont read any more of your inane crap starting now"

I just shared an article and commented that it answered your question so you might not be asking it in good faith

you exploded on me for a mistake you infact did make

smh

His (and my) question was not "How do these numbers compare to Skyrim?" It was, "How do these numbers compare to typical single player games?" So, no, the article did not answer that. And yes, his initial post did acknowledge Skyrim (and how he didn't expect that sort of success for Starfield). I see why the accusations of bad-faith posting came up, lol.

Mizznox posted...

His (and my) question was not "How do these numbers compare to Skyrim?" It was, "How do these numbers compare to typical single player games?" So, no, the article did not answer that. And yes, his initial post did acknowledge Skyrim (and how he didn't expect that sort of success for Starfield). I see why the accusations of bad-faith posting came up, lol.

Skyrim is not a typical single player game?

and btw I answered that already with Baldur Gate 3 and Elden Ring

We are now at the "two people arguing over semantics" part of this topic. CE always follows this formula.

bluezero posted...

We are now at the "two people arguing over semantics" part of this topic. CE always follows this formula.

Easiest way to pretend you were right all along.

"I wonder how this compares to other single player games!?"

"article compared it to Skyrim."

"No NOT THAT ONE! See let me wiggle a bit this way ! I was right!?"

WingsOfGood posted...

false

this came from some redditor post marked TODAY

NEXT

Yes, and the reason you made the topic when you did is because an hour earlier someone made the Palworld one. When the /r/Gaming one was made 21 hours earlier you hadn't yet been rendered a broken shell due to your favorite toy having been found to follow the same trend as other crappy games so there was no need to deflect.

I had played for 100 hours when I stopped in December.

How much longer was I supposed to play it to stop it from flopping?

WingsOfGood posted...

Skyrim is not a typical single player game?

and btw I answered that already with Baldur Gate 3 and Elden Ring

None of those are typical single player games no. The latter two do have multiplayer components for example.

But yes Starfield isn't as popular as incredibly popular and acclaimed games of their respective years. The far majority of games aren't.

WingsOfGood posted...

Skyrim is not a typical single player game?

and btw I answered that already with Baldur Gate 3 and Elden Ring

To quote my earlier follow-up to you:

"And Skyrim is one of the most successful games of all-time ... I'm curious about "typical" - what sort of drop-off your average single-player game (even limiting to "AAA" or whatever) sees at this point."

It very very obviously wouldn't have near Skyrim's numbers, and you need more than a couple examples to determine an "average". It was general curiosity if something like player count trends for single player games on average was tracked somewhere - I wasn't even asking you specifically to have those numbers available off-hand, but you kept replying in ways that seemed you didn't fully understand what I was asking.

Mizznox posted...

I'm curious about "typical" -

so what is typical? odd that you can't compare it to Bethseda's other titles......

how .... odd

Mile wide inch deep

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


wow you are right

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

...who were the 3% left over

Prismsblade posted...

I wonder if fans are finally just fed up with Bethesdas glitchy, low effort and terrible products. To the point now that they arent even funny anymore.

I tried to say this when the game released and was told by fanboys that it isnt the point, modders will fix it.

DrizztLink posted...

...who were the 3% left over

the people flying UAPs

WingsOfGood posted...

so what is typical? odd that you can't compare it to Bethseda's other titles......

how .... odd

jfc
"Typical" being a synonym of "average" the way I was using it.
I didn't want a comparison to any individual game, and it's obviously a flop compared to [insert other super successful game]. I was curious about trends for single player games as a whole.
How much clearer do I need to be?

Vyrulisse posted...

That's the tragedy of Starfield. It's not really "bad" it's just... a game. It's boring and soulless even by Bethesda standards. It's like they tried to make the most drab and uninteresting universe they could imagine.

It's not bad but it's boring, what? If it's boring, then it's bad, period.

Mizznox posted...

jfc
"Typical" being a synonym of "average" the way I was using it.
I didn't want a comparison to any individual game, and it's obviously a flop compared to [insert other super successful game]. I was curious about trends for single player games as a whole.
How much clearer do I need to be?

so Starfield is an average game? Yes or no?

do you realize how many games get made?

...

What are the typical numbers for a six month old single player game? Six months is a long-ass time to play one game.

That's not surprising, who's playing the same single player game for that long? I doubt it has enough content to continually play for half a year

also it's bad

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

...

What are the typical numbers for a six month old single player game? Six months is a long-ass time to play one game.

as brought up LOTS of people are still playing BG3 and Elden Ring and... Skyrim

as such many people do not even buy these games on release

WingsOfGood posted...

as brought up LOTS of people are still playing BG3 and Elden Ring and... Skyrim

as such many people do not even buy these games on release

I dunno, I don't consider not in the top three ever to be particularly surprising.

here is some more:
from today

Red Dead Redemption 2 : 37,037

Euro Truck Simulator 2 : 36,271

Cyberpunk 2077 : 33,654

Monster Hunter: World: 30,586

Fallout 4: 18,463

Starfield: 8,920

WingsOfGood posted...

here is some more:
from today

Red Dead Redemption 2 : 37,037

Euro Truck Simulator 2 : 36,271

Cyberpunk 2077 : 33,654

Monster Hunter: World: 30,586

Fallout 4: 18,463

Starfield: 8,920

You're still gonna need a bigger list.

If you want me to torch and pitchforks, I'm gonna need to see it's in like the 20th percentile of all games ever instead of not in the top 5.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

If you want me to torch and pitchforks, I'm gonna need to see it's in like the 20th percentile of all games ever instead of not in the top 5.

what do you mean top 5?

this list is not the top 5

Maybe quit applying the same formula to every game.

Fallout, ES and now SF all suck. Boring trash.

Starfield pulling less than half the numbers of Fallout 4 - an 8-year-old game from the same developer which itself is considered by most to be pretty darn mid - is significant enough to draw one's own conclusions.

WingsOfGood posted...

what do you mean top 5?

this list is not the top 5

Well, what other conclusion is there to draw? Being able to name five games ahead of it only proves there are five games ahead of it, which is ultimately unsurprising when there are tens or hundreds of thousands to choose from.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

Well, what other conclusion is there to draw? Being able to name five games ahead of it only proves there are five games ahead of it, which is ultimately unsurprising when there are tens or hundreds of thousands to choose from.

there is more than 5 games but you can go to the charts yourself

For shits and giggles I'm gonna look up some of the other notable games from the latter half of last year

Remnant 2 - 2,474
Sea of Stars - 477
Immortals of Aveum - 102
Lies of P - 1,556
Mortal Kombat 1 - 1,505
Sonic Superstars - 38
Robocop: Rogue City - 268
Persona 5 Tactica - 42

Kinda looks like Steam users don't really care about playing single player games all that much.

At the very least Starfield may not be some universally popular blockbuster like Skyrim and Fallout were but it still did a lot better than the average game did on Steam. That's with it being on Game Pass too.

People should probably not fall into the trap of thinking that the major success stories represent the majority.

People should also probably stop pretending that Steam concurrent users represent the health and success of a video game.

Good. There are 5 year old games that look better than it and have reasonable system requirements.

WingsOfGood posted...

there is more than 5 games but you can go to the charts yourself

Oh, I don't have time for that. So I guess I'll just remain unbutthurt.

Punished_Blinx posted...

For shits and giggles I'm gonna look up some of the other notable games from the latter half of last year

Remnant 2 - 2,474
Sea of Stars - 477
Immortals of Aveum - 102
Lies of P - 1,556
Mortal Kombat 1 - 1,505
Sonic Superstars - 38
Robocop: Rogue City - 268
Persona 5 Tactica - 42

Kinda looks like Steam users don't really care about playing single player games all that much.

At the very least Starfield may not be some universally popular blockbuster like Skyrim and Fallout were but it still did a lot better than the average game did on Steam. That's with it being on Game Pass too.

People should probably not fall into the trap of thinking that the major success stories represent the majority.

People should also probably stop pretending that Steam concurrent users represent the health and success of a video game.

So Starfield is more comparable to Sonic Superstars than Skyrim or Red Dead?

Is that the argument you are making?

What single player game are people still playing six months later?

creativerealms posted...

What single player game are people still playing six months later?

As mentioned already:

Red Dead 2
Elden Ring
Baldur Gate 3
Eurotruck simulator 2 (what even)
Cyberpunk 2077
Monster Hunter: World
Fallout 4

People can compare games to whatever want to paint the narrative they want to make.

I can make an article that Sonic Superstars has lost 75% of its player base in a few months. I can point out that more people are playing older Sonic games as well.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/928e363f.jpg

If I had an axe to grind against Sonic Superstars or the current state of the Sonic franchise I can very well do this and it'll be the exact same narrative as this topic.

That's the magic of making stories about Steam concurrent users. We don't need to think about how the Steam audience interacts with games. We don't need to compare price points. We don't need to compare the state of mods. We can just look at whoever is playing the game more and paint whatever story we want to make.

WingsOfGood posted...

As mentioned already:

Red Dead 2
Elden Ring
Baldur Gate 3
Eurotruck simulator 2 (what even)
Cyberpunk 2077
Monster Hunter: World
Fallout 4

4 of those games have multiplayer

Punished_Blinx posted...

People can compare games to whatever want to paint the narrative they want to make.

I can make an article that Sonic Superstars has lost 75% of its player base in a few months. I can point out that more people are playing older Sonic games as well.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/928e363f.jpg

If I had an axe to grind against Sonic Superstars or the current state of the Sonic franchise I can very well do this and it'll be the exact same narrative as this topic.

That's the magic of making stories about Steam concurrent users. We don't need to think about how the Steam audience interacts with games. We don't need to compare price points. We don't need to compare the state of mods. We can just look at whoever is playing the game more and paint whatever story we want to make.

what is the narrative of this topic?

The same narrative as anyone makes with Steam Concurrent numbers.

Either this game is a massive success or a massive failure. I'm assuming this is meant to be the latter?

Punished_Blinx posted...

The same narrative as anyone makes with Steam Concurrent numbers.

Either this game is a massive success or a massive failure. I'm assuming this is meant to be the latter?

I didn't write the article

I never said you did. Video game 'journalists' most definitely use this crap for easy clickbait articles constantly. They did the same thing with Palworld today and Suicide Squad earlier this week. They'll continue to make articles about Suicide Squad several times over this year like they did with Redfall last year.

It's just content.

Still dont get why mod support is taking so long. It is the lifeblood of bethesda, what with them relying on their fans to fix everything.