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cousinvini 02/10/24 4:00:25 AM #1: |
some twisted mfs just like to kill people for fun, just like irl
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pegusus123456 02/10/24 4:06:28 AM #2: |
I don't think it's necessary, no.
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toadfan64 02/10/24 5:11:12 AM #3: |
No, some of the best are like Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2.
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evilpresident 02/10/24 5:12:05 AM #4: |
Sometimes. And sometimes it's nice to just have a moustache twirling bad guy who'd blow up a bus full of nuns and orphans for the hell of it.
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evilpresident 02/10/24 5:14:25 AM #5: |
toadfan64 posted...
No, some of the best are like Jack Horner from Puss in Boots 2."You're not going to shoot a puppy, are ya. Jack?" "Yeah, in the face. Why?" --- Nothing to report here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 02/10/24 5:28:38 AM #6: |
If they're going to be a good character? Absolutely.
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boxoto 02/10/24 5:34:19 AM #7: |
that's why I like Alex DeLarge - he's just a demented youth, with no reason to it other than he's having fun (and being drugged out).
Lil Ze from City of God is another great villain, who's a piece of shit mainly because he idolized the gangsters around him. edit: also, Anton Chigurh & Judge Holden from Cormac McCarthy's works --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/enq4r7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revisited 02/10/24 5:39:50 AM #8: |
And on the other hand, if you try to make your established villain "complex" or god forbid sympathetic (barf) like the garbage maleficent movie or the admittedly hilarious cruella movie, you take something away from the character. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuerrillaSoldier 02/10/24 5:45:35 AM #9: |
nope they just need to look cool
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BloodMoon7 02/10/24 5:49:11 AM #10: |
A good villain doesn't need to be complex and making them too complex can backfire. They do have to be entertaining at least, if they're just evil for the sake of it. Just like a hero who is heroic just because isn't very exciting on its own either.
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VeesMcGees 02/10/24 5:55:34 AM #11: |
Depends on the villain's role in the story. Like the government in Battle Royale was fine by just being an evil government, but Kazuo (in the book) was an incredibly boring villain where I wanted him to die because he was boring to read because he had no motivation. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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boxoto 02/10/24 5:58:46 AM #12: |
I kind of liked Kazuo just because he was amoral, and could have easily been more heroic, but determined all of his major decisions based on a coin flip.
it made him seem more like a force of nature/fate. --- Don't you agree, Zach? https://streamable.com/enq4r7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 02/10/24 6:18:25 AM #13: |
It depends on the story/characters. Not having a complex story isnt always bad. Having a complex story is only good if the writing is good ... Copied to Clipboard!
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havean776 02/10/24 6:20:23 AM #14: |
A villain. Can be simple or complex. Deep or shallow. Sympathetic or not.
The only thing your villain must never be is boring. --- "I will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal Barca ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 02/10/24 6:25:02 AM #15: |
As a necessity: no.
Are they nice to break from the evil because types: yes. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 02/10/24 6:27:02 AM #16: |
Whatever works.
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IceCreamOnStero 02/10/24 6:28:18 AM #17: |
They don't need them, but they can have them. Depends on whatever the sotry requires
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Naysaspace 02/10/24 6:31:30 AM #18: |
the most beloved villain of all time, da jokah, has but one motivation: kill other people
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BoyOfBattle 02/10/24 6:47:52 AM #19: |
my boy luca blight says no
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Dark_Arbron 02/10/24 6:55:42 AM #20: |
Naysaspace posted...
the most beloved villain of all time, da jokah, has but one motivation: kill other people And even then he still has a little more complexity than a truly generic doomsday villain because of his dichotomy with Batman. But most importantly hes entertaining. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RVallant 02/10/24 7:12:54 AM #21: |
BoyOfBattle posted... my boy luca blight says no I was so disappointed that they basically only alluded to his reasons in Suikoden 2, the expanded media makes him really... not sympathetic, but you can see his cause as one of a rampage of revenge and it's not really a surprise. For those who didn't know; Not all of that is in the game though, you get some allusions to it, and you get the carriage being ambushed as backstory but they don't really get into the details. Still, an iconic character, his whole 'die pig' routine is brilliant, his brute force is phenomenal and he is easily one of the best boss fights ever ~ you need a literal fucking army of ambushes and you still barely take him down and he goes out laughing his head off. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjnelson 02/10/24 7:18:44 AM #22: |
cousinvini posted...
do villains even need complex motivations? No, but more complex motivations are more interesting. However, people that kill for more basic reasons usually have underlying reasons for how they got that way. Even if their motivation is as basic as just doing it to do it, there's a psychological backstory behind it. See Jeffrey Dahmer, for example. --- I'm not here for friends. I'm here for the truth to the best of my knowledge of it, even if it's not what people want to hear. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 02/10/24 7:42:48 AM #23: |
No.
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