Current Events > Should Jails and Prisons Be Abolished?

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Ragtag28 posted...

......what? What is with current society and this massive support for criminals. Why isn't there enough support for the victims? These guys did horrible things so they should get comfortable lives? We should feel sorry for criminals now? Yah now bro you lost me there. Those people ended up there for a reason. They're not some innocent individual whose just a by product of their environment(which is also a dumb thing to think because your disregarding said individual thought process, actions and decisions) alot of those criminals know they break the law and don't really care. They will do so again when given the chance. You can give someone a second chance but it doesn't mean that person is going to right their wrongs. You can't save everybody no matter how good your intentions may be. Save your sympathy for the victims who need it. who also may end up being the next criminal put in the slammer.

You are what's wrong with the "justice" system.

Ragtag28 posted...

(which is also a dumb thing to think because your disregarding said individual thought process, actions and decisions)

Oh boy, someone's on the verge of discovering determinism!

No.. But both need to be heavily reformed into being for rehabilitation instead of retributive like we currently have

also Private prisons are a travesty and should not exist in any form

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Man the whole reason they suffer like that is to prevent them to ever wanting to come back. Like thats the sole reason of jail and prison my guy. Its why most people dont commit crimes. No body wants to go to prison or jail because of what could happen to them while they are in there. The fear of it is whats good to stop people from doing criminal activity. not just the moral part. Why would you want criminals to be kept comfortable in captivity for? Its not some apartment complex dude. The shitty conditions exist so the criminals in there never want to comeback when they are let go.

DnDer posted...

You are what's wrong with the "justice" system.

What do u propose is a better system to implement rather than insult people who don't share your opinion?

Guide posted...

Oh boy, someone's on the verge of discovering determinism!

not even close to what I'm talking about

@totalnerdken

Victims of their crimes do have my sympathy. But that's not an excuse to make the criminals suffer more than they have to. Being kept away from society, where they can't do anything with their lives is suffering enough. Yes, they should be allowed comfort.

You're doing this like weird illogical thinking where you seem to incorrectly assume that me saying they should have comfort is somehow... Not sympathizing with the victims...? In a topic about prison? It's very odd.

I mean if they lack empathy themselves then what would deter them from repeating the offenses that brought them to jail?

At best I can agree with humane building conditions and meals that will keep them healthy. Safe, but no luxuries.

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Ragtag28 posted...

Man the whole reason they suffer like that is to prevent them to ever wanting to come back. Like thats the sole reason of jail and prison my guy. Its why most people dont commit crimes. No body wants to go to prison or jail because of what could happen to them while they are in there. The fear of it is whats good to stop people from doing criminal activity. not just the moral part. Why would you want criminals to be kept comfortable in captivity for? Its not some apartment complex dude. The shitty conditions exist so the criminals in there never want to comeback when they are let go.

The US has terrible prison conditions, and yet 44% of prisoners reoffend within a year of release. In Norway, with a much more humane system, the recidivism rate is 25% after 5 years.

So, you're talking bollocks now, aren't you?

@Ragtag28
If nothing else, a reason to keep prison conditions humane at minimum even sharing some anger towards the worst, is that sometime innocent people do get wrongly arrested and held longterm.

Ragtag28 posted...

Its why most people dont commit crimes. No body wants to go to prison or jail because of what could happen to them while they are in there. The fear of it is whats good to stop people from doing criminal activity. not just the moral part. Why would you want criminals to be kept comfortable in captivity for? Its not some apartment complex dude. The shitty conditions exist so the criminals in there never want to comeback when they are let go.

Do you have any theories on why the US, which has comparatively harsh sentencing and prison conditions, sees significantly more crime than it's peers other wealthy nations?

Prob not saying anything new but for profit facilities should be abolished. Cannot believe that is a thing.

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This. And we need to look into the underlying issues. Many in the system have mental issues. Pretty much people that used to be in asylums ended up in prison once we got rid of asylums.

Antiyonder posted...

@totalnerdken

I mean if they lack empathy themselves then what would deter them from repeating the offenses that brought them to jail?

At best I can agree with humane building conditions and meals that will keep them healthy. Safe, but no luxuries.

It's called the Department of Corrections, not the Department of Punishment. Is society better if a murder can't watch TV in prison?

I think we should abolish financial incentive to send and retain and resend people to prison. Nobody should be making money off of them when the public goal of prison is to make them productive members of society. Financial incentive to keep them there just makes it harder for people to get out.

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Well, you have one side that wants to retain the status quo or revert progress (conservatives), another that seeks to create reforms within the system (liberals), and a third that wants everything dismantled in favor of something better yet unrealized (leftists).

I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. Giving a thief the same punishment as a murderer (with only difference being length) is not right. It's even more messed up that they're often locked up in the same building.

They should make a big prison city where people can live and have jobs but you can't leave and let all the people live there who think they should abolish prisons and let the prisoners live with them . I'm sure it will go real well.

88% majority. Somehow the topic has 124 posts. Is it from a very vocal minority? lol I ain't reading this anyway

DKBananaSlamma posted...

88% majority. Somehow the topic has 124 posts. Is it from a very vocal minority? lol I ain't reading this anyway

You think that 88 percent is still too high, ?should be upper 90s?

I don't want to vote for either abolition or keeping them in their present form.

So I didnt.

No but rehab should be the goal

My problem with most of the "they don't need to be in prision, they need therapy" comments is that they somehow see the offender as a victim who needs help and therapy, but ignore the victims and other people who need help and therapy too.

Mental healthcare is already fucked up all over the world. We need more therapist and mental healthcare for everyone in society.

I had to get therapy too, and had to pay it out of my own pocket because our social system (even here in europe) acts like that mental health isn't that important.

Someone assault someone else and ends up in jail? They are a harm for the society, we have to treat them and care for them!

Someone just suffers alone and only harms themselfes? Well, sounds like a you problem.

We have a very very big issue with mental health all over the world. That's not exclusive to the US, Europe or anywhere else. This has to be solved, and ffs, I don't think that criminals should be the priority for that, when there are already more than enough people not commiting crimes also needing it just as much as them, if not even more.

Fix the mental health system for everyone before you think about fixing it for people in prison.
People who isolate themselves out of depression and despair need the rehabilitation to come back into society too, even if they don't break the law.

Karovorak posted...

My problem with most of the "they don't need to be in prision, they need therapy" comments is that they somehow see the offender as a victim who needs help and therapy, but ignore the victims and other people who need help and therapy too.

Mental healthcare is already fucked up all over the world. We need more therapist and mental healthcare for everyone in society.

I had to get therapy too, and had to pay it out of my own pocket because our social system (even here in europe) acts like that mental health isn't that important.

Someone assault someone else and ends up in jail? They are a harm for the society, we have to treat them and care for them!

Someone just suffers alone and only harms themselfes? Well, sounds like a you problem.

We have a very very big issue with mental health all over the world. That's not exclusive to the US, Europe or anywhere else. This has to be solved, and ffs, I don't think that criminals should be the priority for that, when there are already more than enough people not commiting crimes also needing it just as much as them, if not even more.

Fix the mental health system for everyone before you think about fixing it for people in prison.
People who isolate themselves out of depression and despair need the rehabilitation to come back into society too, even if they don't break the law.

i agree with most of your post esp. the first paragraph. Idk, do most americans disagree with that first part, maybe? I agree with it though.