Current Events > Vegas teen beaten to death by 15 bullies outside school for standing up to them

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LeadPipeCinche posted...

Imagine siding with the 15 scumfucks in the story.

Yes because saying they should go to prison instead of having them and their families killed is siding with them

Sandalorn posted...

Well, since teachers can still send kids to the Principal and give detention what other forms of discipline are they not able to do?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that teachers in America are pretty much powerless to discipline unruly students because administrators are afraid of litigious/Karen parents.

15 years between juvi and prison let them all think about it.

this is so bad

News here said he was defending his friend that got stuffed in a trash can after getting his stuff stolen. Also apparently he was initially fighting 2 of the 15 before the others jumped in when the 2 couldn't take him.

The school/area has been known for this type of behavior for almost 40 years (according to locals here).

Tragic event as there was recently another beating where a young girl died in a park as well.

So damn sad.

The kids will serve a few years and bullying will still be tolerated in schools. What a rotten world we live in

15 bullies doesnt sound like bullies anymore it sounds like a gang.

Life in prison for each of the kids and sue each of their families into oblivion wrongful death suits.

BearlyWilling posted...

Life in prison for each of the kids and sue each of their families into oblivion wrongful death suits.

well, for the 15 kids its premeditated murder, so yes life in prison is fair

for the parents, its neglect. or deadly neglect. recklessness. something along those lines

I don't know if I'm in favor of life without parole but they absolutely should be charged as adults and locked up for a very long ass time.

ForsakenHermit posted...

I don't know if I'm in favor of life without parole but they absolutely should be charged as adults and locked up for a very long ass time.

honestly for premediated murder, anything less than life without parole is an injustice

BearlyWilling posted...

Life in prison for each of the kids and sue each of their families into oblivion wrongful death suits.

This if it can be proven that the families were neglectful. If it turns out some the of kids are just evil naturally then maybe don't sue that family. The rest though? Sue the crap out of them. Also life in prison for all the kids. Can't change those evil little shits.

Rika_Furude posted...

well, for the 15 kids its premeditated murder, so yes life in prison is fair

for the parents, its neglect. or deadly neglect. recklessness. something along those lines

Not sure if it's been passed here. But they had been working on a law that minors couldn't get life.

I remember finding out cause the prison here has a program for bettering people to improve their chances on making it outside prison once they released and I pointed out a lifer was going to that meeting.

That guy I'm talking about probably doesn't deserve life. He's in for murder but I've never seen him be anything but a model inmate. Yeah I've seen him get high a couple times but even then all I gotta say his hey man go to bed and it's yes sir and he does

Rika_Furude posted...

honestly for premediated murder, anything less than life without parole is an injustice

The problem I have with that is if you do that it makes killing one person the same as killing two, three or many (many in this context is 4+ or another way of saying mass murder) in the eyes of the law. And they're not the same, one is worse than the other and far easier for me to say should be an automatic life without parole.

ForsakenHermit posted...

The problem I have with that is if you do that it makes killing one person the same as killing two, three or many (many in this context is 4+ or another way of saying mass murder) in the eyes of the law. And they're not the same, one is worse than the other and far easier for me to say should be an automatic life without parole.

the problem with the reverse is that it becomes a statement that the victims life is worth less than the murderers. the victims life is only worth 20 years of the killers life? seems completely bullshit.

however, i do get the point on how in terms of the act of killing, it makes a killing spree equal to a single murder, so i'd say on that basis i'm wrong to say a single kill should be a life imprisonment... i just feel yucky saying it

CyricZ posted...

Could we please keep the disproportionate revenge fantasies to a minimum.

cOuLd wE pLeAsE...
shut the fuck up

I only got tested once, and that was in grade school. I was in 3rd grade and a 5th grader was bullying me, and I put my whole body into swinging a lunch box upside his head, and he was left bawling in tears.

The messed up part was he shoved me to the ground completely unprovoked, yet I got suspended a whole week for fighting back, even though he was 2 grades above me and twice my size. Where is the justice in that? If people want to know how a disrespect for authority develops in children, situations like this are case and point for the cause. I didn't get punished at home, my dad told me I did nothing wrong.

bullying should be a crime punished with a long time in jail and not just normal jail no, these kids need to be forced to learn the school subjects that they don't want to pay attention in normal school and force to be quite and force to respect other people, basically everything they don't want to do and bully other people for, i guess it ends up being bully the bully into submission but i can't think of a better punishment for them

Sandalorn posted...

Ya, It's certainly the fact that teachers can't beat kids anymore that is the problem. /s

How perfectly Savoots of you.

Where in that post was the word "beat" used?

Rika_Furude posted...

honestly for premediated murder, anything less than life without parole is an injustice

That's not premeditated murder.

eggcorn posted...

cOuLd wE pLeAsE...
shut the fuck up

It's not just wrong to say you want to kill these criminals and all their families.

It's fucking offensive.

You want to be mad, fine. You want to direct that anger at me specifically, fine.

Regardless of your emotional state, you do not get carte blanche, consequence-free, to type in a public forum that you want an entire group of families killed.

You will be called out for the twisted, vengeful, bloodthirsty person that you are, and you'll have to deal with it.

Abolish the death penalty.

not to mention, someone can be related to a psychopath and not be a psychopath themselves. I've never agreed with punishing families of criminals. Unless it can be proven they had direct involvement in the crime

ForsakenHermit posted...

The problem I have with that is if you do that it makes killing one person the same as killing two, three or many (many in this context is 4+ or another way of saying mass murder) in the eyes of the law. And they're not the same, one is worse than the other and far easier for me to say should be an automatic life without parole.

Premeditated murder of even one person should be life, so Im not sure of the argument, here.

Are you saying it shouldnt?

I cant agree with that, since it gives the idea Eh, I can kill up to X people and still not get life.

Revelation34 posted...

Where in that post was the word "beat" used?

That's not premeditated murder.

Beating someone to death is murder. Looking at someone and thinking Im going to beat you 2 seconds before doing so is premeditated. Everyone knows beatings can cause death. Theres no scenario where you can say these people who beats someone to death isnt a murderer or that it wasnt premeditated murder

Premeditation typically involves planning before the moment. Knowing beating can cause death does not automatically mean its premeditated.

HashtagSEP posted...

Premeditation typically involves planning before the moment.

Even something as simple as theres a bike rider in my way, Im going to run over them premeditated murder

Rika_Furude posted...

Even something as simple as theres a bike rider in my way, Im going to run over them premeditated murder

What exactly do you think second degree murder is?

Rika_Furude posted...

Even something as simple as theres a bike rider in my way, Im going to run over them premeditated murder

No, that would not be first degree, since that would be considered impulse.

It would be first degree if he planned to hit that rider before he even got in his car, and specifically got in his car with the intent to track down and kill the rider that way.

KI_Simpson posted...

What exactly do you think second degree murder is?

Something like reckless negligence

Rika_Furude posted...

Something like reckless negligence

That's third degree murder.

HashtagSEP posted...

No, that would not be first degree, since that would be considered impulse.

It would be first degree if he planned to hit that rider before he even got in his car, and specifically got in his car with the intent to track down and kill the rider that way.

They intended to run over the bike rider by swerving their car into the bike rider after they saw the bike rider

Rika_Furude posted...

They intended to run over the bike rider by swerving their car into the bike rider after they saw the bike rider

What you think is second degree is third degree, and what you think is first degree is second degree. First degree requires prior planning/malice BEFORE the event and/or whatever directly preceded it.

First degree would be if, the day before, you found out when the rider would be riding and planned to go out, find him, and kill him.

HashtagSEP posted...

What you think is second degree is third degree, and what you think is first degree is second degree. First degree requires prior planning/malice BEFORE the event and/or whatever directly preceded it.

Yes, seeing a bike rider and committing to killing them, even if done so seconds in advance, is planning prior to their death.

Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, seeing a bike rider and committing to killing them, even if done so seconds in advance, is planning prior to their death.

By all means, find a case that successfully argued that as first degree murder.

One.

Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, seeing a bike rider and committing to killing them, even if done so seconds in advance, is planning prior to their death.

I think it's safe to say at this point you know what premeditated means but think you're being clever by pretending not to. Which you really aren't.

Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, seeing a bike rider and committing to killing them, even if done so seconds in advance, is planning prior to their death.

So you know youre wrong but you dont want to admit it.

KI_Simpson posted...

I think it's safe to say at this point you know what premeditated means but think you're being clever by pretending not to. Which you really aren't.

Theres probably just a disconnect between how different countries categorise murder and premeditation. Im not wrong on this, America may just have way more levels and considerations involved. You cant argue that its not planned that someone swerving their car to run someone over didnt plan to do so before swerving their car. Cars dont swerve themselves

Rika_Furude posted...

Theres probably just a disconnect between how different countries categorise murder and premeditation. Im not wrong on this, America may just have way more levels and considerations involved. You cant argue that its not planned that someone swerving their car to run someone over didnt plan to do so before swerving their car. Cars dont swerve themselves

The crime happened in the US, obviously the discussion over whether it was first degree murder would be based on US laws.

If certain factors were different this would be called a lynching.

HashtagSEP posted...

Premeditated murder of even one person should be life, so Im not sure of the argument, here.

Are you saying it shouldnt?

I cant agree with that, since it gives the idea Eh, I can kill up to X people and still not get life.

The problem with the inverse line of thinking is that someone who commits premeditated murder can just as easily go 'Well, no going back now, might as well kill as many people as I can before I get caught or end myself'.

I'm not saying that 1st degree murder should never result in a life without parole sentence, just that it shouldn't be automatic. Especially if it's the harshest sentence on the table.

Soooo, have there been any arrests?

https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/11/15/las-vegas-police-arrest-8-suspects-murder-teens-beating-death/

8 teens between 13-17 years old have been arrested. They arrested working on charging them as adults.

Topics like these make me grateful CE doesn't have any lawyers or judges.

CyricZ posted...

It's not just wrong to say you want to kill these criminals and all their families.

It's fucking offensive.

You want to be mad, fine. You want to direct that anger at me specifically, fine.

Regardless of your emotional state, you do not get carte blanche, consequence-free, to type in a public forum that you want an entire group of families killed.

You will be called out for the twisted, vengeful, bloodthirsty person that you are, and you'll have to deal with it.

Abolish the death penalty.

How is that personally offensive to you?

Rika_Furude posted...

Beating someone to death is murder. Looking at someone and thinking Im going to beat you 2 seconds before doing so is premeditated. Everyone knows beatings can cause death. Theres no scenario where you can say these people who beats someone to death isnt a murderer or that it wasnt premeditated murder

Premeditated is first degree which means the actual murder was planned.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Topics like these make me grateful CE doesn't have any lawyers or judges.

There might have been one at one point but I don't know if that guy ever posted on CE.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Topics like these make me grateful CE doesn't have any lawyers or judges.

Yeah because heaven forbid the status quo of getting their fingerprints and sending them back out onto the streets were to change

They all deserve life in prison for murder, murderers don't deserve a second chance and can't be rehabilitated.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

They all deserve life in prison for murder, murderers don't deserve a second chance and can't be rehabilitated.

Really.

Based on what, exactly?

Any arrests made?

MatzoTov posted...

Yeah because heaven forbid the status quo of getting their fingerprints and sending them back out onto the streets were to change

You should really learn how to discern your imagination from reality.

DrizztLink posted...

Really.

Based on what, exactly?

Why do murderers deserve a second chance?

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Why do murderers deserve a second chance?

You said murderers "can't be rehabilitated."

Based.

On.

What?

I don't care about your vengeance kick, please lay out the psychology behind this opinion.

Jx1010 posted...

Any arrests made?

Last thing I saw on the news was that 7 of them are in custody.