Current Events > Should the guy who cut the hockey players throat with his skate be charged?

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Eab1990 posted...

Didn't say it meant murder.

But maybe don't play the racist card for someone with a history of bad behavior either.

You entirely sure you wanna play the "history of bad behavior" card?

Eab1990 posted...

Didn't say it meant murder.

But maybe don't play the racist card for someone with a history of bad behavior either.

I was also here before you and didn't even know the guy was black, so yeah.

https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/30/vile-trolls-send-abuse-to-ice-hockey-star-after-adam-johnson-death-19743012/
https://sports.yahoo.com/who-is-matt-petgrave-adam-johnson-death-other-player-223134925.html
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/adam-johnson-matt-petgrave-hockey-accident-race-war/

I don't need to pull any card, it's literally happening.

Next time someone is accused of murder, are we going to point out the targeting penalty they got when they played college football? Sports fouls is a weird new low for "He's no saint!"

hockeybub89 posted...

Might as well be putting out that he pours the cereal into the milk.

Manslaughter by definition. I'm sure he didn't mean to kill but he willfully threw a kick to stop the play.

blacklabelice posted...

willfully threw a kick

Did he though?

blacklabelice posted...

Manslaughter by definition. I'm sure he didn't mean to kill but he willfully threw a kick to stop the play.

No, he didn't. And nobody is claiming he did but trolls like you online.

people may lie, but the video evidence does not. go watch it sometime. maybe you will one day understand why a criminal investigation is now underway.

blacklabelice posted...

people may lie, but the video evidence does not. go watch it sometime. maybe you will one day understand why a criminal investigation is now underway.

You realize an investigation is not the same as charges being pressed, correct?

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and we will see where it goes. from throwing a kick like that, chan ho park would be proud.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80605610

Nobody here is talking about racist trolls. Why did this topic need to have it brought up?

blacklabelice posted...

and we will see where it goes. from throwing a kick like that, chan ho park would be proud.

Atleast you're not trying to hide that you're just trolling, this time.

Eab1990 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80605610

Nobody here is talking about racist trolls. Why did this topic need to have it brought up?

Because most of the trolls on Twitter are being openly racist, and then we have certain users in this topic who also have a history of being openly racist, so...

Is there a reason you're suddenly so defensive? If that's not you, then why do you care so much? Move on, if you don't like it being brought up.

You are literally the first and only person to bring up Twitter in this topic.

If anything, why are you so desperate to want to call people racists?

This is a weird meltdown to be having for something that apparently doesn't apply to you. I proved it's been happening, and you got super mad about that, for some reason?

StealThisSheen posted...

Atleast you're not trying to hide that you're just trolling, this time.

well i'm just saying, i'm pretty sure that its illegal to kick people in hockey. players should know that they have a sharp set of blades underneath their feet.

the action was intentional. there was no obvious reason for his leg to come up at that time and then throw a kick at him in that manner. it was an intentional dirty move regardless of whether the intent was to simply knock him down or actually inflict physical damage on him to a less than lethal degree. i'd say involuntary manslaughter as i see no reason he would attempt to kill in front of so many witnesses nor do I believe it was premeditated. it was simple reckless disregard.

Not gonna watch the video, but its obvious that a bladed kick could be deadly. Knowing that it could be deadly and then still kicking on purpose is therefore attempted murder. If the person died it is then murder. It is premeditated by nature of him thinking there he is, Im going to kick him

Whys this even a thing in hockey at all?

Lairen posted...

Whys this even a thing in hockey at all?

whys what a thing?

Eab1990 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80605610

Nobody here is talking about racist trolls. Why did this topic need to have it brought up?

and ya the suggestions in that topic make way more sense. I could see him kicking up to try and stop the dude behind him, that seems most plausible to me.

There seems to be a high correlation of people thinking he should be done for murder and people who havent actually seen the video.

I do believe it should be investigated at least.

Happy Gilmore no longer holds the record for being the only player to ever stab somebody with his skate.

punkfanalways posted...

There seems to be a high correlation of people thinking he should be done for murder and people who havent actually seen the video.

I dont know if he tried to kick or not, which is what I said. Whether I think he should be imprisoned as a murderer depends entirely whether he tried to kick the victim or not

blacklabelice posted...

Happy Gilmore no longer holds the record for being the only player to ever stab somebody with his skate.

Um... a few players have been hit in the throats by skate blades

hockeybub89 posted...

Um... a few players have been hit in the throats by skate blades

freak accidents, like that zednik one and that goalie one too.

i havent seen anybody else throwing a kick at the puck carrier just to stop them, let alone hitting them with sweet chin music. this ones a first on me. hopefully the last. that shit does not belong in hockey.

StealThisSheen posted...

Sure seeing an interesting bunch of names suddenly show up, here, though.

StealThisSheen posted...

It should be very telling when blacklabelice is pushing something so heavily, given their posting history.

StealThisSheen posted...

This is a weird meltdown to be having for something that apparently doesn't apply to you. I proved it's been happening, and you got super mad about that, for some reason?

You think you're being cute with this, but despite me knowing nothing else about that poster, he at least posted info relevant to the topic and corroborated with what I've heard about the story.

punkfanalways posted...

There seems to be a high correlation of people thinking he should be done for murder and people who havent actually seen the video.

I've only seen a 5-second gif of it and watched it loop twice. Once to see the kick, once to see where both players started/ended.

Hardly enough for me to determine intent, so I didn't say anything about what he should be charged for. But if he has a history of this behavior, it shouldn't be written off as an accident either.

blacklabelice posted...

freak accidents, like that zednik one and that goalie one too.

i havent seen anybody else throwing a kick at the puck carrier just to stop them, let alone hitting them with sweet chin music. this ones a first on me. hopefully the last. that shit does not belong in hockey.

Ya 100%.

Should be equivalent of involuntary manslaughter. I think its gonna be pretty easy to prove that the kick wasnt an accident regardless of actual intent for it tbh.

kinda curious to see how it all goes. Its a freak accident still but as mentioned its not like any of the others where its clear cut the player had no control over the situation

I (Butters) can't believe people are actually defending this guy. Wow...

https://twitter.com/meowfiala/status/1719075006951600532

Guess skates come up pretty high fairly often in hockey

Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/meowfiala/status/1719075006951600532

Guess skates come up pretty high fairly often in hockey

Which is exactly why anybody saying "Skates never come up that high! It was an intentional kick!" is full of shit.

StealThisSheen posted...

Which is exactly why anybody saying "Skates never come up that high! It was an intentional kick!" is full of shit.

Then why don't players get their throats cut open every game?

Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/meowfiala/status/1719075006951600532

Guess skates come up pretty high fairly often in hockey

they do but not in the fashion that threads pretending they do.

the only picture close is the one with Shaw against the rangers in the 3rd or 4th set and thats still deceiving because momentum looks like the legs swinging at the head, which it actually isnt.

Its incredibly hard to explain to anyone who hasnt skated before, which its apparent a lot of posters havent.

best way to compare what happened to a normal occurrence is to look at reverse hits like this video here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWDeehphk6s&pp=ygUQbmhsIHJldmVyc2UgaGl0cw%3D%3D

Obviously open ice hits and big blindsided are gonna have people ragdolling around, but thats not what happened here. Comparing these hits, or actual hits instead of pictures of hits, should help give a better idea of how dangerous the sport is, and why this instance stands out.

edit: to be clearer look at the legs. Even when skates come up you can see people actively trying to bring them back down. You dont gain balance swinging out from the body.

People who were actually there, including Johnson's own team: "It was a freak accident."
People on the internet who weren't actually there, most of which haven't even seen the video: "He clearly kicked him on purpose!"

Wonder where the disconnect is...

StealThisSheen posted...

People who were actually there, including Johnson's own team: "It was a freak accident."
People on the internet who weren't actually there: "He clearly kicked him on purpose!"

Wonder where the disconnect is...

im not sure how to better explain the concept that a freak accident can occur while also doing something stupid or inappropriate.

As said before, he probably decided to kick at the player to slow him down or some dumb shit and unfortunately killed a dude.

It being a freak accident doesnt discredit anything I said explaining why it was an unnatural movement and unless youre gonna give some real argument against that you can just about shut up now. Youve blabbered enough about some dumb shit for one topic.

Zeeak4444 posted...

he probably decided to kick at the player

So, serious question. Why do you believe he intentionally kicked?

He collides with somebody IMMEDIATELY before. The probability that he collided with somebody, perfectly kept his balance and didn't even react, and got off an intentional kick is just... Insanely low. That's extremely hard to do, going at that speed, on your feet, let alone on skates.

StealThisSheen posted...

People who were actually there, including Johnson's own team: "It was a freak accident."

No shit they'd say that, they want to protect their sport.

dave_is_slick posted...

No shit they'd say that, they want to protect their sport.

Wouldn't it protect their sport more if it WAS a solo bad apple who did something intentionally, and not a freak accident that has happened multiple times now, and yet they still haven't made neck guards mandatory? I'm not sure the logic applies how you think it does. I feel like "Yeah, this was was a bad dude, he was intentionally unsafe" would look better to outsiders than "Our sport is naturally this dangerous and we've done nothing about it."

StealThisSheen posted...

So, serious question. Why do you believe he intentionally kicked?

He collides with somebody IMMEDIATELY before. The probability that he collided with somebody, perfectly kept his balance and didn't even react, and got off an intentional kick is just... Insanely low.

i explained this. Watch the video I posted.

Theres 10,000 hours of footage of hits. His reaction did the opposite of try and keep balance, he instead made it easier for him to eat shit from the hit.

thats what makes it weird. Like it can happen sure but its still weird regardless

dave_is_slick posted...

No shit they'd say that, they want to protect their sport.

"They care more about hockey than their dead teammate"

Zeeak4444 posted...

i explained this. Watch the video I posted.

Theres 10,000 hours of footage of hits. His reaction did the opposite of try and keep balance, he instead made it easier for him to eat shit from the hit.

thats what makes it weird. Like it can happen sure but its still weird regardless

That doesn't explain how you think he intentionally got a kick off, though. That explains why you think it was weird, but not why you went from "I'm not sure" to "He intentionally kicked him" with seemingly no doubt.

StealThisSheen posted...

That doesn't explain how you think he intentionally got a kick off, though. That explains why you think it was weird, but not why you went from "I'm not sure" to "He intentionally kicked him" with seemingly no doubt.

but it does. Throwing your foot out to stop the person next to you while a defender is blocking you makes perfect sense, he happened to stay balanced but he didnt really care if he did, he wanted to stop the play.

Thats also the dirty shit in hockey people especially players hate. Its no different then tripping with sticks when youre out of the play.

So again, I myself think he had control over a situation and willfully decided to give up that control (at best) which again is a separating factor from other instances and also answers the question theyve asked you about why this isnt more common if people are throwing legs up everytime they make contact.

Intentional or not, he caused a death, he should pay for it. If he has any honor, he would turn himself in for a manslaughter charge.

After some digging, he seems to foul a lot. So he does have the intent to hurt people.

I guess to better answer your question Im still not sure. I think he could have really just fucked up as freak shit happens.

I think if the question itself is about the leg though that was intentional, just not the whole situation, and possibly not even intending to kick and more like he wanted to stretch out but it went higher cause the hit or something.

All I do know though is that its not him trying to recover or brace from the hit. That part I again point to momentum of the swing and basic physics. Dude offset his forward momentum by swinging his foot backwards? Doesnt usually happen and shouldnt ever happen.

Cobra1010 posted...

Intentional or not, he caused a death, he should pay for it. If he has any honor, he would turn himself in for a manslaughter charge.

After some digging, he seems to foul a lot. So he does have the intent to hurt people.

So regardless of whether a police officer thought they were in danger, they should be put in jail if they shoot someone, right?

I don't know shit about hockey, so I have no idea. I would advise others who have no knowledge of hockey (most of you lot) to do the same. The video is horrifying, but that doesn't automatically mean it's a murder/manslaughter.

Cobra1010 posted...

After some digging, he seems to foul a lot. So he does have the intent to hurt people.

Having a lot of penalties in hockey does not show intent to hurt people at all. There are many reasons players foul in hockey, and they're often NOT just intending to intentionally hurt somebody.

Zeeak4444 posted...

I guess to better answer your question Im still not sure. I think he could have really just fucked up as freak shit happens.

I think if the question itself is about the leg though that was intentional, just not the whole situation, and possibly not even intending to kick and more like he wanted to stretch out but it went higher cause the hit or something.

All I do know though is that its not him trying to recover or brace from the hit. That part I again point to momentum of the swing and basic physics. Dude offset his forward momentum by swinging his foot backwards? Doesnt usually happen and shouldnt ever happen.

Now this is a post I can respect and agree to disagree with. My entire argument with you was the language you were using, implying that he intentionally meant to kick him, which just doesn't really logically follow the actual course of events. I could see trying to swing his body out being plausible.

EDIT: Just to be clear, the only reason I brought up how racist trolls are using this to start shit online on Twitter and whatever (Stormfront is literally encouraging people to do this, for example,) is because certain users that have posted in this topic have a history of that kind of thing, so seeing them pop up immediately made me skeptical, and, admittedly, more aggressive than I should have been.

Cobra1010 posted...

Intentional or not, he caused a death, he should pay for it. If he has any honor, he would turn himself in for a manslaughter charge.

After some digging, he seems to foul a lot. So he does have the intent to hurt people.

Not every death needs to result in someone going to prison. Does Johnson's family or team think Petgrave should be criminally liable?

I also noticed that rags and content farms are the only sites even naming Petgrave.

StealThisSheen posted...

Now this is a post I can respect and agree to disagree with. My entire argument with you was the language you were using, implying that he intentionally meant to kick him, which just doesn't really logically follow the actual course of events. I could see trying to swing his body out being plausible.

ya I had a feeling, kick isnt the right word necessarily but control of the leg is the main point.

Swinging the body out is an unwritten rule though because of stuff like this. Theres way too much about culture and proper skating technique and all that to get into but thats where the red flags are.

I obviously dont think he intended to kill the guy but theres an issue with Hockey in general with negligent (and intentional) injuries by players in ways we dont see with other sports. In this case I think at best there was serious negligence which caused death.

I really hope they sentence him too tbh. I dont see any way this isnt his fault.

Wish I could use the new tag feature too but I never find who Im looking for. Id tag ElectricBugs to get his opinion since hes another Hockey player on CE that knows skating

Edit for your edit: nah I was just blowing off steam with that one. I really didnt care and knew what you were saying with it. I thought you were being intentionally dismissive of everything instead of trying to actually discuss your opinion on the subject. That ones on me you didnt do anything wrong bringing it up

When I first heard this story I didnt want to watch the video, when I heard he died, I just had to, to see if it was intentional and in my view it was intentional. Maybe not first degree murder but second or third degree murder