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Either that, or the Georgia case get moved up.

Or Chutkan finally follows through on her threat.

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So what is Trump Jr trying to do?

Block_that_Kick posted...

https://twitter.com/RepTroyNehls/status/1719355014060060834

I was at the doors on January 6, face to face with protestors, and I know firsthand there was NO INSURRECTION.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

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So is he going to lie on the stand?

https://twitter.com/rparloff/status/1719810127530783092
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There's some contention already about what happened on January 6th in the DoD. Kash Patel is insisting that Trump authorized 10,000 - 20,000 national guard troops on January 6th, but they didn't want to send them without a civilian request.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/chris-miller-house-select-committee/index.html

Christopher Miller testified to the January 6th Select Committee that he was never given any direction from Trump to authorize national guard troops.

Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller told the House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill insurrection that former President Donald Trump never gave him a formal order to have 10,000 troops ready to be deployed to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, according to new video of Millers deposition released by the committee.

I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature, Miller said in the video.
Miller later said in the video definitively, There was no direct, there was no order from the President.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
Todays D.C. National Guard remains strong with more than 2,700 Soldiers and Airmen available to execute its missions.

The DC National Guard also doesn't have 10,000 people in it.

CableZL posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/03/trump-news-kash-patel-granted-immunity-to-testify-in-mar-a-lago-documents-case-.html

Kash Patel has also been granted immunity by the DoJ to testify against Trump in the Mar-a-lago documents case.

I'll echo my sentiments on Meadow's deal; Smith had better be getting damning corroboration from Patel in exchange for immunity.

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In a just world, yes.

What i always hear from Republicans is that it was Nancy Pelosi who had the power to deploy the NG and they say she refused for some reason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kash_Patel#Positions

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Also, it's kinda weird that Kash Patel, working as a Principal Deputy to Acting Director Richard Grenell in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, would have direct information about a national guard authorization. He wouldn't have been in the chain of command for the national guard at all.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army.

The chain of command for the DC National Guard on January 6th, 2021 would have been:

• President: Donald Trump
• Secretary of Defense: Christopher Miller, acting
• Secretary of the Army: Ryan McCarthy

And that's it.

Zikten posted...

What i always hear from Republicans is that it was Nancy Pelosi who had the power to deploy the NG and they say she refused for some reason

This is an annoying ass talking point for a number of reasons. It goes back to the earlier conversation about how you can't have an intellectual conversation with people like that and you have to stop and teach them the basics. It makes no sense at all. On January 6th, 2021:

• Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, is in the legislative branch of government.
• Mitch McConnell, as Senate Majority Leader, is in the legislative branch of government and the head of the other part of Congress, but Republicans don't blame him.
• The DC National Guard falls under the executive branch. Nobody in the legislative branch has any authority of the DC National Guard.
• The chain of command for the DC national guard is POTUS > Secretary of Defense > Secretary of the Army. That's it.
• We also have video of Nancy Pelosi calling governors of other states to try to get them to send their state's national guard to DC to help while people were storming the captiol. Why would she do that if she could just command the DC national guard?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/12/meadows-jan-6-national-guard-trump-524133

Mark Meadows indicated in a Jan. 5 email that the National Guard was on standby to protect pro Trump people, according to documents obtained by the House committee investigating the Capitol riot, which the panel described in a public filing Sunday night.
The context for the message is unclear, but it comes amid intense scrutiny of the Guards slow response to violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and conflicting timelines about their efforts from the Pentagon and National Guard leadership.

An email from Mark Meadows on January 5th said Trump wanted the national guard on standby to protect Trump supporters. So I think Kash Patel's story falls apart pretty easily just based on what we already know.

CableZL posted...

Also, it's kinda weird that Kash Patel, working as a Principal Deputy to Acting Director Richard Grenell in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, would have direct information about a national guard authorization. He wouldn't have been in the chain of command for the national guard at all.

Patel continuously misrepresented and ingratiated himself to Trump to get ahead in the west wing.

He was basically a shadow national security advisor with none of the necessary expertise or authorization.

CableZL posted...

This is an annoying ass talking point for a number of reasons. It goes back to the earlier conversation about how you can't have an intellectual conversation with people like that and you have to stop and teach them the basics. It makes no sense at all. On January 6th, 2021:

The annoying part isn't that you have to teach them the basics, it's that you'll have to do it again every time you debate them on the subject. Anything progress you make with these people gets memory holed the moment they go to sleep at the end of the day.

darkace77450 posted...

The annoying part isn't that you have to teach them the basics, it's that you'll have to do it again every time you debate them on the subject. Anything progress you make with these people gets memory holed the moment they go to sleep at the end of the day.

Hell, it gets memory-holed in the same conversation.

darkace77450 posted...

The annoying part isn't that you have to teach them the basics, it's that you'll have to do it again every time you debate them on the subject. Anything progress you make with these people gets memory holed the moment they go to sleep at the end of the day.

It's because they aren't serious people, and the grew up with too much lead.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/rparloff/status/1719810127530783092
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There's some contention already about what happened on January 6th in the DoD. Kash Patel is insisting that Trump authorized 10,000 - 20,000 national guard troops on January 6th, but they didn't want to send them without a civilian request.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/chris-miller-house-select-committee/index.html

Christopher Miller testified to the January 6th Select Committee that he was never given any direction from Trump to authorize national guard troops.

Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller told the House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill insurrection that former President Donald Trump never gave him a formal order to have 10,000 troops ready to be deployed to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, according to new video of Millers deposition released by the committee.

I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature, Miller said in the video.
Miller later said in the video definitively, There was no direct, there was no order from the President.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
Todays D.C. National Guard remains strong with more than 2,700 Soldiers and Airmen available to execute its missions.

The DC National Guard also doesn't have 10,000 people in it.

regular Army troops can be deployed on US territory also, but I feel like that would have actually had to be preemptive instead of a reaction. Trump knew full well what was going to happen and did nothing ahead of time to stop it.

you just have to look at the pics of the defense he had set up against BLM

Zikten posted...

What i always hear from Republicans is that it was Nancy Pelosi who had the power to deploy the NG and they say she refused for some reason

Yes and they are all lying sacks of shit who should not be trusted or taken seriously in any sense other than their capacity for violence.

It's victim blaming.

darkace77450 posted...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

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https://twitter.com/samschwartz03/status/1719783179496690168

Alucard188 posted...

https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1719684149521367162?t=4zodfAof9nJrJpOY4YX7WQ&s=19

It's absolutely amazing to me how he's on trial for artificially inflating his property values, and he keeps doing it in his social media honking.

"It's worth SO MUCH MORE!"

Keep digging that grave, Dumpy Trumpy. Just keep digging.

CableZL posted...

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There's also the fact that he tweeted this on January 6th

"There's always a tweet" apparently doesn't just apply to Trump's lies and flip-flopping.

mybbqrules posted...

"There's always a tweet" apparently doesn't just apply to Trump's lies and flip-flopping.

Yep. It's why it was a thing during COVID, that as soon as you saw someone post about how it was fake and a hoax and really not that bad, few weeks later you'd see their GoFundMe link while they are in the hospital gasping for air.

mybbqrules posted...

It's absolutely amazing to me how he's on trial for artificially inflating his property values, and he keeps doing it in his social media honking.

"It's worth SO MUCH MORE!"

Keep digging that grave, Dumpy Trumpy. Just keep digging.

It he keeps digging, he'll go past China and be in space

Takuya_Lee posted...

It he keeps digging, he'll go past China and be in space

"No, no! Dig up, stupid!"

Heineken14 posted...

Yep. It's why it was a thing during COVID, that as soon as you saw someone post about how it was fake and a hoax and really not that bad, few weeks later you'd see their GoFundMe link while they are in the hospital gasping for air.

There was an entire subreddit dedicated to going out Herman Cain style.

mystic_belmont posted...

There was an entire subreddit dedicated to going out Herman Cain style.

Cain: Covid isnt any worse than a flu

Covid:

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NY civil fraud trial thread:
https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720068284714725496

Trump also trying to delay January 6th trial in DC
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1720074642403041727

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1720074642403041727

"Trump doesn't want to be put to trial unless he can be super duper sure for realsies that he won't face any consequences."

He still won't but that's what it sounds like.

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1720082216754299240
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Don Jr is sticking with the playing dumb defense

And we have testimony that the accountants were told what valuation Donnie wanted, and worked back from there.

CableZL posted...

Don Jr is sticking with the playing dumb defense

Playing dumb is about the only way he both stays out of jail for perjury and doesnt implicate himself or others in the process.

I would say they are playing dumb, but the playing part is very questionable.

and trump needs to figure out he isnt the president and what he is being tried for he wasnt president anymore anyway. He has no immunity.

https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720103415882146257

Eric Trump is next up. If I had to guess, I'd say all of the Trump children are gonna be playing dumb. I'm pretty sure they need to actually come up with a legal justification for their misdeeds, though, instead of just saying they relied on accountants and lawyers... It'll be interesting to see how the judge rules on the rest of the allegations.

The New York civil fraud trial is expected to end around December 22nd, I believe.

If they are that dumb, then running a business is probably not something they should be doing.

https://twitter.com/stewartbishop/status/1720106967304134878

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Yep. I'm assuming this will continue through his whole testimony

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/02/legal-experts-ny-ag-set-up-don-jr-on-witness-stand--and-now-he-could-be-criminally-prosecuted/?utm_source=ironsource

Trump Jr., testified that he relied on longtime accounting firm Mazars USA to prepare the companys financial statements, arguing that he had no significant knowledge of the accounting standards known as the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), according to The Washington Post, which noted that the trial has shown evidence that the Trump Organizations financial statements did not comply with those standards.

I know nothing about GAAP I leave it to my accountants, Trump Jr. said. "I rely on their opinions and their assessments to make those decisions."

But CNN legal analyst Norm Eisen argued on Wednesday that Trump Jr., who took over the company along with his brother Eric after their father was elected president, cant pass the buck completely, he has some legal responsibility to make sure theyre accurate.

We've seen a ton of evidence that they were not accurate," he said. "So I think today, New York State set him up. He was already visibly uncomfortable with some of the questions. We're going to see the payoff tomorrow. Probably not so good for Trump Jr. or for the Trump family's standing in this case."

Fellow CNN legal analyst Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor, noted that Trump Jr. did not try to argue that the inflated valuations at the heart of the lawsuit were actually accurate.

He tried to argue, I didn't really know about them, I wasn't part of this. He tried to distance himself from the actual valuations, Honig said.

"Donald Trump Jr. would have had the option of taking the Fifth Amendment," he said. "This is a civil case, but he still could say, I refuse to testify because my testimony could be used against me. He's decided not to do that, and so now as a result, everything that he's testifying to is fair game for prosecutors to consider. Prosecutors have looked at this case. They have chosen not to charge it as a criminal case thus far, but that could change based on Donald Trump Jr.'s testimony, so there's an inherent risk in taking the stand here."

Former federal prosecutor Kristy Greenberg told MSNBC that the Trumps M.O. appears to be to just point the finger at somebody else, whether its the CFO, whether its the accountant, whether its the lawyer, anybody that doesnt have the last name Trump. But Trump Jr. ultimately signed these statements of financial condition and said that they were accurate.

You cant have it both ways, she added. If he was on The Apprentice right now, youd be fired.

There is more in the article, but they are screwed.

The lawsuit in Minnesota to remove Trump from the ballot is starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx_4aDmERWo

I need to update my spreadsheet at some point. There are so many things going on

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720103415882146257

Eric Trump is next up. If I had to guess, I'd say all of the Trump children are gonna be playing dumb. I'm pretty sure they need to actually come up with a legal justification for their misdeeds, though, instead of just saying they relied on accountants and lawyers... It'll be interesting to see how the judge rules on the rest of the allegations.

The New York civil fraud trial is expected to end around December 22nd, I believe.

Taller, younger, and still wants his dad to love him.

mystic_belmont posted...

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/02/legal-experts-ny-ag-set-up-don-jr-on-witness-stand--and-now-he-could-be-criminally-prosecuted/?utm_source=ironsource

There is more in the article, but they are screwed.

Up to 5 years in prison if he was ceo or cfo, and potentially being barred by the sec from ever being an officer or director ever again (any publicly traded company)

CableZL posted...

NY civil fraud trial thread:
https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720068284714725496

Trump also trying to delay January 6th trial in DC
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1720074642403041727

What exactly is "presidential immunity"? As in are they referring to some precedent? Or just "he should be immune"?

Ruvan22 posted...

What exactly is "presidential immunity"? As in are they referring to some precedent? Or just "he should be immune"?

It's some dumb shit Trump keeps trying to argue every time he faces some sort of accusation about the illegal things he did. He's of the mind that presidents can do whatever they want with no repercussions. He has tried the presidential immunity argument in court multiple times and it has always been thrown out.

CableZL posted...

The lawsuit in Minnesota to remove Trump from the ballot is starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx_4aDmERWo

I need to update my spreadsheet at some point. There are so many things going on

What are the implications of this? If he's removed from the ballot would no one in Minnesota be able to vote for Trump? Would they not be able to vote Republican at all, and would have to vote Democrat/third party/abstain? Or would another Republican candidate be on the ballot instead?

Or is this one of those uncharted waters-type situations?

LividDK posted...

What are the implications of this? If he's removed from the ballot would no one in Minnesota be able to vote for Trump? Would they not be able to vote Republican at all, and would have to vote Democrat/third party/abstain? Or would another Republican candidate be on the ballot instead?

Or is this one of those uncharted waters-type situations?

Definitely an uncharted waters thing... I haven't done too much research on this, but I think (from a quick google search just now) Minnesota allows people to write in who they want to vote for even if their name isn't on the ballot. Not sure if that's the same for every state. If Trump becomes the nominee nationally... not sure how that would be handled.

CableZL posted...

The lawsuit in Minnesota to remove Trump from the ballot is starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx_4aDmERWo

I need to update my spreadsheet at some point. There are so many things going on

Wait, another state besides Colorado is trying this? That's neat and interesting.

Ruvan22 posted...

What exactly is "presidential immunity"? As in are they referring to some precedent? Or just "he should be immune"?

Hes unironically doing "when the president does it that means that it is not illegal" bullshit.

Ruvan22 posted...

What exactly is "presidential immunity"? As in are they referring to some precedent? Or just "he should be immune"?

its not a thing, or Nixon would never have resigned

thronedfire2 posted...

its not a thing, or Nixon would never have resigned

It is a thing but only for civil suits and only for actions taken as part of the duties of president.

Trump & other white wingers really like to stretch it. Also completely tone deaf to the idea that in order to benefit from immunity means you have to be guilty otherwise the immunity doesn't do anything for you.