Current Events > DeSantis falsely claims to send 'weapons and ammunition' to Israel

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brestugo
10/27/23 3:41:28 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/27/ron-desantis-sending-weapons-israel-military-fake

Ron DeSantis is receiving pushback from Israeli diplomats, Florida Democrats and the White House after he falsely claimed credit for a gun-running operation to assist Israels military operations in Gaza.

The Florida governor and 2024 presidential hopeful declared on Thursday that he had worked with Israels consul general in Miami to send military equipment, including drones, body armor and helmets.

His office, according to Reuters, said it had worked to get weapons and ammunition to Israel through private parties as part of his high-profile rescue operation. The operation involved sending humanitarian supplies on chartered planes and returning from Israel hundreds of US citizens who wanted to come home following the Hamas attacks.

His boast, however, started to unravel when Maor Elbaz-Starinsky, Israels consul general, told the news agency he had not asked for DeSantiss help, and that the governors involvement was limited to smoothing paperwork requirements for a previously arranged shipment of rifle parts ordered by his government.

I am not aware and would find it very, very bizarre to think that somebody is procuring weapons and sending it to Israel, he said. This is not how we work. And certainly not privately funded.

DeSantis has made hardline support of Israel a prominent part of his flailing campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, pledging to turn away Palestinian refugees if he was in the White House, and expelling pro-Palestinian student groups from Floridas university campuses.

He has called a special session of the Florida legislature for early next month to approve state sanctions on Iranian businesses and interests.

With other presidential contenders, he will attend a donor gathering of the Republican Jewish Coalition in Las Vegas this weekend. On Friday, he will deliver a speech on foreign policy at the Heritage Foundation in Washington DC.

Critics accuse him of acting as if he were president, and operating a de facto foreign policy from the governors mansion in Tallahassee that is not under his purview.

President Biden is the commander in chief of our military, not Ron DeSantis, said Nikki Fried, chair of the Florida Democratic party, in a statement to the Miami Herald.

As a navy veteran, Ron should understand the importance of respecting the chain of command. This is a gross breach of norms and a potential violation of federal laws governing the shipment of weapons.

John Kirby, strategic communications director for the National Security Council, told reporters at the White House on Thursday that he could not be certain DeSantis had checked all the boxes.

It is not illegal for the governor of a state to offer a measure of foreign assistance to another country [but] there are laws and regulations which govern how the export process is handled, he said.

Thats all done through Commerce. I couldnt speak with authority today about whether the governor has checked all those boxes or not.

In a statement to the Guardian, a spokesperson for the Department of Commerce said they could not confirm details of particular transactions, but reminded US exporters seeking to provide support for Israel that appropriate federal authorizations were necessary.

Consistent with the presidents direction, the Bureau of Industry and Security and our interagency partners are working to appropriately expedite applications for assistance to Israel, the spokesperson said.

Elbaz-Starinsky told the Herald that all necessary approvals for the rifle parts requested by Israel had been obtained, but said he was not certain it was DeSantiss office that helped secure them.

It was really the first days of the war, everyone was panicked and stressed, everything was urgent, he told the newspaper.

I approached a few contacts, including the governors office, to get the final approval. It went through all the process. Im not even sure, at the end of the day, which one untangled this thing and made the shipment be approved.

DeSantiss office, meanwhile, has backed away from its initial claim it worked directly with the consul general to help get weapons and ammunition.

Jeremy Redfern, the governors press secretary, told Reuters that DeSantis was contacted by the consul generals office for assistance to clear federal bureaucratic hurdles associated with getting those items to Israel.

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ai123
10/27/23 3:43:35 PM
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The Israeli government knows that association with DeSantis will only hurt their public image.

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darkace77450
10/27/23 3:44:17 PM
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I don't think the Nazis who support him are going to appreciate him pretending to care about Israel.
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SaikyoStyle
10/27/23 3:44:21 PM
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I saw this on the Florida subreddit last night. People there seem pretty convinced that this is an ITAR violation.

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itachi15243
10/27/23 3:45:10 PM
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Man, I forget this idiot was even running for president with all the Trump stuff lately.

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masterpug53
10/27/23 3:51:28 PM
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I can think of precious few things he could do that would actually hurt him among his base. Getting caught in a lie over sending weapons to wartime Israel might just be one of them.

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Forty_Niners
10/27/23 3:52:40 PM
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Yea, he's a lying piece of shit. Or Republican.

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brestugo
10/27/23 4:06:28 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
I can think of precious few things he could do that would actually hurt him among his base. Getting caught in a lie over sending weapons to wartime Israel might just be one of them.

Just saying he sent humanitarian aid to them wasn't honorable enough, I guess. Although, according to Israel's CG, it really wasn't even that.

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SiO4
10/27/23 4:08:15 PM
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Well, he has been a part of Human trafficking.

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Gritty
10/27/23 4:10:11 PM
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Lock him up
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PballDepot
10/27/23 4:10:55 PM
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SiO4 posted...
Well, he has been a part of Human trafficking.

Forty_Niners posted...
Yea, he's a lying piece of shit. Or Republican.

Gritty posted...
Lock him up


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Starks
10/27/23 4:13:04 PM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
I saw this on the Florida subreddit last night. People there seem pretty convinced that this is an ITAR violation.
This is why states are not supposed to do foreign policy. ITAR, Logan Act, etc. it's a minefield unless you're at the federal government.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/27/23 4:20:27 PM
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That sounds illegal. A STATE going rogue in aiding a foreign country? Sure, this time it alligns with washingtons stance, but acting on their own seems very shady. Also yeah, VERY RICH from the guy who has failed to denounce or prohibit Nazi demonstrations.

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LightHawKnight
10/27/23 4:23:42 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
That sounds illegal. A STATE going rogue in aiding a foreign country? Sure, this time it alligns with washingtons stance, but acting on their own seems very shady. Also yeah, VERY RICH from the guy who has failed to denounce or prohibit Nazi demonstrations.

Eh if he hasnt been punished for literal kidnapping, even if he did aid a foreign country, he probably would get a slap on the wrist at the most.

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brestugo
10/28/23 6:58:14 AM
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Starks posted...
This is why states are not supposed to do foreign policy. ITAR, Logan Act, etc. it's a minefield unless you're at the federal government.

That's how TX got dinged on that razor wire barrier. The state's southern border also happens to be the country's as well, and federal law trumps state law if there's a conflict.

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DnDer
10/28/23 7:19:58 AM
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Let's assume DeSantis is telling the truth.

Arrest his ass for international weapons trafficking and throw away the key.

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McSame_as_Bush
10/29/23 10:42:52 PM
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He's sticking with his self-aggrandizing stunts even thought no one outside of Florida gives a shit. Bless his heart.

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