Current Events > Israel/Palestine War: Live Thread 4 (Remake)

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punkfanalways
10/27/23 8:36:31 PM
#51:


VFalcone posted...
Just take it to the PMs.


"A near-total blackout of internet and cellphone service has taken hold across much of the Gaza Strip, according to witnesses there and companies that monitor global connectivity." As Israel ramps up aerial strikes. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna122531

We may get a lot less out of Gaza in terms of communication and media because of this

Thats a non sequitur. But fwiw Im against communication blackouts in Gaza.

@ZechtAuron has PMs disabled. I tried to drop him a PM earlier when he accused me of taking his illness lightly. I wanted to apologise if I gave him that feeling. It wasnt my intention. I wanted to give him a chance to point out exactly what posts Id made he thought were making light of his illness. Something I made a post in a previous topic on before it was closed and something I made a second post on it this topic in post 36 right here:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80604333/976894587

The gent hasnt responded to either post yet but I give him the opportunity to do so right here and now.

Back to my post. What part do you guys specifically have issue with in my post. Specifically.
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VFalcone
10/27/23 8:38:27 PM
#52:


Live streams from Reddit:
Reuters live stream: View of the Gaza skyline:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDKKrRzztM

Other links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCqXnL9wqW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsjLnlvAHy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXACi-But0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqabxBKzZ6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDUSYHoKxE
https://www.youtube.com/live/wCmVMu29pkw
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Blue_Thunder
10/27/23 9:45:03 PM
#53:


VFalcone posted...
UN overwhelmingly votes for ceasefire. With 120 countries voting in favor and 14 against. The US is one of the 14 going against.


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Trumble
10/27/23 9:48:03 PM
#54:


punkfanalways posted...
Thats a non sequitur. But fwiw Im against communication blackouts in Gaza.

@ZechtAuron has PMs disabled. I tried to drop him a PM earlier when he accused me of taking his illness lightly. I wanted to apologise if I gave him that feeling. It wasnt my intention. I wanted to give him a chance to point out exactly what posts Id made he thought were making light of his illness. Something I made a post in a previous topic on before it was closed and something I made a second post on it this topic in post 36 right here:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80604333/976894587

The gent hasnt responded to either post yet but I give him the opportunity to do so right here and now.

Back to my post. What part do you guys specifically have issue with in my post. Specifically.
That's a different person with a similar name. The two aren't even on the same side of this issue.

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 5:20:45 AM
#55:


Trumble posted...
That's a different person with a similar name. The two aren't even on the same side of this issue.

I just checked. Yeah youre right. Doh.

Looks like that other guy blocked me when I called him out on outright making shit up about me. . Some people just want to live in an echo chamber it seems.
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Fenriswolf
10/28/23 5:22:44 AM
#56:


Metroid_Food posted...
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/19/upday-news-gaza-israel-axel-springer/

And a couple of days back:

https://www.theonion.com/biden-urges-americans-not-to-let-dangerous-online-rheto-1850941897

That latter one was an onion article. The former is real life. When real life reaches parody levels of insanity.

Biden is an embarrassment

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/2/AACDhFAAE-0Q.jpg

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 5:24:27 AM
#57:


I try to take a balanced view on the ongoing conflict but stuff like that is genuinely frightening. No one gets a free pass to do what they want and no one should be above criticism.
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ZechtAurion
10/28/23 5:46:56 AM
#58:


https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1717279204130037806

No point in pretending anymore I guess!
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punkfanalways
10/28/23 5:54:53 AM
#59:


That guy is fucking awful. He was using this sort of rhetoric on newsnight a few days ago where he kept referring to people in Gaza as animals.

A quick google suggest its not the first time hes referred to Palestinians as animals. Disgusting.
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Metroid_Food
10/28/23 6:43:38 AM
#60:


https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1718207980624130381?s=20

Western credibility has been plummeting ever since Iraq, but I think this current genocide aired on live TV with the west's full backing will be the nail in the coffin.
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DnDer
10/28/23 6:59:21 AM
#61:


name_unknown posted...
UN members are preparing to vote on a resolution calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities in the war between Israel and Hamas so that humanitarian aid can reach civilians in the battered enclave of Gaza. The vote is expected at 3 p.m. ET.

Am I behind that bad? Or is there another vote?

I saw footage of a UN vote that was vetoed by America's UN rep on the grounds that the cease-fire request didn't have language saying Israel can retaliate ad nauseum to anything they want. (Hyperbole, but not much...)

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 7:11:37 AM
#62:


The US has vetoed more than 34 resolutions over the years that could be interpreted as criticising Israel. The US stance on Israel is one of complete unconditional support when it comes to the UN. I wouldnt hold your breathe the current one passes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
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DnDer
10/28/23 7:15:04 AM
#63:


Metroid_Food posted...
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1718207980624130381?s=20

Western credibility has been plummeting ever since Iraq, but I think this current genocide aired on live TV with the west's full backing will be the nail in the coffin.

That's how we lost Vietnam, too. Partially.

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Zikten
10/28/23 7:15:16 AM
#64:


punkfanalways posted...
The US has vetoed more than 34 resolutions over the years that could be interpreted as criticising Israel. The US stance on Israel is one of complete unconditional support when it comes to the UN. I wouldnt hold your breathe the current one passes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions
Even when they kill us, we still support them. It pisses me off. In the early 2000s, an Israeli bulldozer ran over a girl from Seattle

And in the 60s, the Israeli military attacked a US navy ship, and murdered some of its crew. They said it was an accident, but survivors still to this day say the Israelies die it on purpose, and have spent years trying to get the US government to admit and force Israel to on up to it
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DnDer
10/28/23 7:16:40 AM
#65:


punkfanalways posted...
The US has vetoed more than 34 resolutions over the years that could be interpreted as criticising Israel. The US stance on Israel is one of complete unconditional support when it comes to the UN. I wouldnt hold your breathe the current one passes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions

Right right, but I mean I was watching YouTube yesterday (before the post I quoted was posted... maybe?) and wanted confirmation if the veto I watched footage of was the referenced one or a second one, because I'm catching up.

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 7:26:52 AM
#66:


Ah I dont know. Sorry.
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Foppe
10/28/23 7:38:17 AM
#67:


The first vote was about adding a condemning about Hamas attack and freeing all the hostages. It got a big no.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/3/AAA_aCAAE-0l.jpg
The second was about a ceasefire, which got a no because it didnt condemned Hamas and allowed Israel to do whatever they want.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/4/AAA_aCAAE-0m.jpg

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 7:42:10 AM
#68:


Foppe posted...
The first vote was about adding a condemning about Hamas attack and freeing all the hostages. It got a big no.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/3/AAA_aCAAE-0l.jpg
The second was about a ceasefire, which got a no because it didnt condemned Hamas and allowed Israel to do whatever they want.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/4/AAA_aCAAE-0m.jpg

Maybe Im reading the second vote wrong but it looks like it only failed because the US vetoed it.
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Foppe
10/28/23 7:46:02 AM
#69:


It doesnt require 2/3 Yes to be accepted?

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VGAddict90
10/28/23 7:49:54 AM
#70:


Could Israel cost Biden reelection?
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punkfanalways
10/28/23 7:51:05 AM
#71:


Foppe posted...
It doesnt require 2/3 Yes to be accepted?

Just requires a simple majority IIRC.
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Foppe
10/28/23 8:20:52 AM
#72:


Israel claims to have bombed 150 underground targets.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/28/israel-hamas-war-live-gaza-phone-and-internet-cut-off-as-israel-intensifies-bombardment

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Ronaldo
10/28/23 1:17:29 PM
#73:


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/27/state-department-urges-u-s-citizens-evacuate-lebanon-00124075

State Dept. urges U.S. citizens to evacuate Lebanon

Fuck Hezbollah. Fuck Iran
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Antifar
10/28/23 1:23:58 PM
#74:


Protestors blocking road near Israeli ministry of defense:
https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_/status/1718307398463402402

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VFalcone
10/28/23 2:34:00 PM
#75:


Another Hamas rocket successfully reaches Tell Aviv Israel. Damages house. No one injured or killed though. https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1718294726057644162
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Ronaldo
10/28/23 3:10:31 PM
#76:


https://twitter.com/israelinusa/status/1718021899056210213?s=61

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh, from the comfort of his home in Qatar: "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza... so as to awaken our revolutionary spirit."
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ZechtAurion
10/28/23 4:16:57 PM
#77:


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-starlink-provide-connectivity-gaza-through-aid-organizations-2023-10-28/

SpaceX's Starlink will support communication links in Gaza with "internationally recognized aid organizations".

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whitelytning
10/28/23 4:26:24 PM
#78:


Ronaldo posted...
https://twitter.com/israelinusa/status/1718021899056210213?s=61

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh, from the comfort of his home in Qatar: "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza... so as to awaken our revolutionary spirit."

Scum.


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VFalcone
10/28/23 6:18:48 PM
#79:


ZechtAurion posted...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-starlink-provide-connectivity-gaza-through-aid-organizations-2023-10-28/

I'll stop calling twitter twitter if he manages to pull through.
He did this for Ukraine too until he pulled it
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VFalcone
10/28/23 7:42:56 PM
#80:


  • 7,703 Palestinians dead. Includes 3,195 children, 1,863 women, and 2,645 men. ([Annoyingly, the media has never once actually mentioned the death numbers of men. That's just me mathing out how many were killed after subtracting the women and children][WSJ, NBC, AP]) https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-statistics-doubted-by-the-u-s-remain-a-subject-of-controversy-90ead302
  • CNN shows videos of damage and deaths in Gaza. Norwegian doctor working in Gaza denies that there could be a Hamas base under the hospital he works at. Interestingly, said doctor was also apparently banned from Israel "for an infinite amount of time" after offering to treat Palestinian victims in 2014. He could just have no idea though https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-28-23/index.html and https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/11/15/israel-bans-norwegian-doctor-from-gaza
  • Russia condemns Israel saying their bombing of Gaza is against international law. LMFAO https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-says-israels-gaza-bombardment-is-against-international-law-2023-10-28
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ZechtAurion
10/28/23 8:06:11 PM
#81:


This short randomly popped up for me.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A-Ky3dPEnOE
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Cheater87
10/28/23 8:08:09 PM
#82:


VGAddict90 posted...
Could Israel cost Biden reelection?

How?

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/28/23 8:18:24 PM
#83:


VFalcone posted...
* 7,703 Palestinians dead. Includes 3,195 children, 1,863 women, and 2,645 men. ([Annoyingly, the media has never once actually mentioned the death numbers of men. That's just me mathing out how many were killed after subtracting the women and children][WSJ, NBC, AP]) https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-death-statistics-doubted-by-the-u-s-remain-a-subject-of-controversy-90ead302
* CNN shows videos of damage and deaths in Gaza. Norwegian doctor working in Gaza denies that there could be a Hamas base under the hospital he works at. Interestingly, said doctor was also apparently banned from Israel "for an infinite amount of time" after offering to treat Palestinian victims in 2014. He could just have no idea though https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-28-23/index.html and https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/11/15/israel-bans-norwegian-doctor-from-gaza
* Russia condemns Israel saying their bombing of Gaza is against international law. LMFAO https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-says-israels-gaza-bombardment-is-against-international-law-2023-10-28

Jesus that is a lot of dead...Israel is being irresponsibly reckless and malovolent towards civilian casualties.

In regards to Russia's comments...Bet Israel is really feeling stupid for not joining in the sanctions against Russia now.

Ronaldo posted...
https://twitter.com/israelinusa/status/1718021899056210213?s=61

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh, from the comfort of his home in Qatar: "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza... so as to awaken our revolutionary spirit."

Dude is too much of a coward bitch to walk his talk. Just sends his rabid dogs to do it for him while he chills in rich ass Qatar.

Fucking piece of shit belongs in hell.

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punkfanalways
10/28/23 8:20:47 PM
#84:


Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Jesus that is a lot of dead...Israel is being irresponsibly reckless and malovolent towards civilian casualties.

In regards to Russia's comments...Bet Israel is really feeling stupid for not joining in the sanctions against Russia now.

Dude is too much of a coward bitch to walk his talk. Just sends his rabid dogs to do it for him while he chills in rich ass Qatar.

Fucking piece of shit belongs in hell.

When was the last time a president of the US was on the front lines?
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Unsuprised_Pika
10/28/23 8:23:16 PM
#85:


punkfanalways posted...
When was the last time a president of the US was on the front lines?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/7/AAfNgnAAE-7r.jpg
You really going to pull this shit for a Terrorist ordering the mass killing of kids?


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punkfanalways
10/28/23 8:26:39 PM
#86:


Unsuprised_Pika posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/7/AAfNgnAAE-7r.jpg
You really going to pull this shit for a Terrorist ordering the mass killing of kids?

There is a lot to criticise the disgusting Hamas leader for. Not being on the front lines isnt one of them.
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ZaruenKosai
10/28/23 9:05:47 PM
#87:


https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231028-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-health-ministry-in-hamas-run-gaza-says-war-deaths-exceed-8-000

The amount of Palestinians that have died during the conflict has surpassed 8000 and we will most likely see it rise exponentially over the next few days.
Especially since First Aid will not be able to reach them, and after they have had power cut throughout the region, I can only suspect, the worse is yet to come.

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Godbe-Bryant
10/28/23 10:01:47 PM
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I'm guessing the health ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza is not a reliable source for death count.

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Antifar
10/28/23 11:55:15 PM
#89:


Godbe-Bryant posted...
I'm guessing the health ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza is not a reliable source for death count.
Independent experts disagree.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry
Others say the ministry has a track record of reliable casualty figures and that it has fallen victim to the propaganda war as Israel seeks to minimise the consequences of its hundreds of bombing raids on Gaza.

In the past, the US state departments annual human rights report indirectly relied on the same ministrys casualty figures in quoting UN statistics drawn from Palestinian data.

Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated.

We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. Weve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable, he said.

When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and weve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there havent been major deviations.

Their numbers generally are consistent with what were seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.

Weve looked at satellite imagery. Weve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what were seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and were quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.



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Godbe-Bryant
10/29/23 12:01:01 AM
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I don't understand how that's possible.

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Antifar
10/29/23 12:03:17 AM
#91:


A lack of understanding and a desire for it not to be the case are two different things.

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Godbe-Bryant
10/29/23 12:11:44 AM
#92:


Thank you, Aristotle.

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DnDer
10/29/23 1:25:11 AM
#93:


VFalcone posted...
Norwegian doctor working in Gaza denies that there could be a Hamas base under the hospital he works at.

I remember when American journalists said the same thing about the AP building.

Didn't stop Israel from bombing it.

At least they were allowed to evacuate. Probably because they were foreign. Any Palestinians are just... viable targets?

Messed up, and no amount of evidence or testimony seems to make Israel not want to target infrastructure like hospitals and schools.

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DnDer
10/29/23 1:27:00 AM
#94:


VFalcone posted...
[Annoyingly, the media has never once actually mentioned the death numbers of men.

A second thought: I wonder if it's because there's some kind of assumption (or accounting by Israel) that the men are terrorists and acceptable deaths.


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DnDer
10/29/23 1:33:56 AM
#95:


Godbe-Bryant posted...
I'm guessing the health ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza is not a reliable source for death count.

And whose numbers would you like to rely on?

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AnsestralRecall
10/29/23 1:35:59 AM
#96:


ZaruenKosai posted...
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231028-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-health-ministry-in-hamas-run-gaza-says-war-deaths-exceed-8-000

The amount of Palestinians that have died during the conflict has surpassed 8000 and we will most likely see it rise exponentially over the next few days.
Especially since First Aid will not be able to reach them, and after they have had power cut throughout the region, I can only suspect, the worse is yet to come.

Yep. Now that there is a complete blackout of information from Gazans it's going to be an absolute slaughter while Israel gets to do whatever it pleases without an outside eye seeing any of it.
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Godbe-Bryant
10/29/23 2:03:52 AM
#97:


DnDer posted...
And whose numbers would you like to rely on?
Unsure. Israelis and Egyptians aren't allowing international news agencies in and there is a communications blackout.

It's likely we don't get an accurate count until far after the war and even then it could be a stretch.
I personally don't need a count from Hamas or IDF to realize shelling a densely-populated enclave is going to lead to many innocents dying especially considering the use of human shields, malfunctioning rockets, struggles to evacuate highly targeted area etc.

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ironman2009
10/29/23 2:05:24 AM
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so the US has bases in israel right? does israel's military have access to those bases? i'm not sure how it works.

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Foppe
10/29/23 2:14:19 AM
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VFalcone posted...
He could just have no idea though
Israel have at least earlier claimed that Hamas regularly pops up from their hospital tunnels are uses the hospitals as torture chambers and uses both doctors and nurses as human shields all the time, so it is strange that he could have missed that.

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DnDer
10/29/23 2:34:39 AM
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Godbe-Bryant posted...
considering the use of human shields, malfunctioning rockets

Innocents are dying because Israel has trapped people in Gaza, restricted their movement while demanding they evacuate, and begun indisciriminately shelling homes of over half the population of just the north half of Palestine--a million people plus.

Given the scope and scale of Israel's revenge tour, including reports from the other IP topics of IDF soldiers just opening fire without even checking for human shields or hostages, I'm not really sure it's fair to blame any significant number of casualties or burden of responsibility for those civilian deaths on anyone but Israel anymore.

The wholesale death is not coming from human shields and misfired rockets anymore.

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