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solosnake
10/09/23 2:30:39 AM
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I dont get it at all

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/09/israel-nova-music-festival-on-scene-ward-pkg-hnk-vpx.cnn

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ironman2009
10/09/23 2:31:55 AM
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what don't you get? the goal was to cause terror.

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BurmesePenguin
10/09/23 2:34:51 AM
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It was close and a large amount of people were gathered there. What doesn't make sense?

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Thermador446
10/09/23 2:35:11 AM
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To make sure I was especially pissed off.

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Smashingpmkns
10/09/23 2:39:15 AM
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Why does Israel target peaceful religious events

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divot1338
10/09/23 2:42:43 AM
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Can you imagine bejng confined to a prison city where the only music you get to hear is from a nearby festival where the local teens go.

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BurmesePenguin
10/09/23 3:32:40 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Uh... the latest number is over 700 in Israel and over 430 in Palestine.

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Foppe
10/09/23 3:34:20 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Uh... the latest number is over 700 in Israel and over 430 in Palestine.
The 260 is from the festival alone.


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SiO4
10/09/23 3:35:16 AM
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I don't know why.
But my guess is they feel their people are oppressed and didn't like the show of decadence.

Also, back on the Ranch...Lest we forget...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

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BurmesePenguin
10/09/23 3:36:21 AM
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Foppe posted...
The 260 is from the festival alone.
Oh, I misunderstood. Thought it was an outdated figure. Me bad.

SiO4 posted...


What the fuck is this post?

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10/09/23 5:01:13 AM
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BlingBling22947
10/09/23 5:25:05 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
What the fuck is this post?

I think hes trying to state that thing like this happen as well as why they had to even happen in the first place.

Even provides an example.

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chickenwings666
10/09/23 5:25:52 AM
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Hamas is evil
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Karovorak
10/09/23 5:30:46 AM
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Chaotic evil in the truest sense.

Enjoying the suffering of others.

They slaughtered innocent and harmless civilians, and paraded their defiled corpses.

There is no logic in that, because the logical consequence is that the most of the world will now turn a blind eye to whatever the counterattack is going to be.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/09/23 5:38:02 AM
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Karovorak posted...
There is no logic in that, because the logical consequence is that the most of the world will now turn a blind eye to whatever the counterattack is going to be.
Oh... my... no. What will Palestine do now? They were already in trouble a year ago when the world's eye was... blind to Israel's genocide of them... Just like it's been for the past 70+ years.
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Tom_Joad
10/09/23 5:45:51 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Oh... my... no. What will Palestine do now? They were already in trouble a year ago when the world's eye was... blind to Israel's genocide of them... Just like it's been for the past 70+ years.

How did the massacre at the music festival happen if all the Palestinians are dead?

How can there be a positive Palestinian population growth rate if they are all dead?


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scar_the_1
10/09/23 5:48:45 AM
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https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

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Karovorak
10/09/23 5:50:08 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Oh... my... no. What will Palestine do now? They were already in trouble a year ago when the world's eye was... blind to Israel's genocide of them... Just like it's been for the past 70+ years.

What do you expect?

What do you think is the natural reaction of such a slaughter and celebrating it?

No one with a sane mind can side with the Hamas at this point. They literally show the whole world how much "fun" they have killing innocents.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/09/23 6:11:37 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
How did the massacre at the music festival happen if all the Palestinians are dead?

How can there be a positive Palestinian population growth rate if they are all dead?
TIL The Holocaust wasn't a genocide. Huh.

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brestugo
10/09/23 6:18:56 AM
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ironman2009 posted...
what don't you get? the goal was to cause terror.

BurmesePenguin posted...
It was close and a large amount of people were gathered there. What doesn't make sense?


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IceCreamOnStero
10/09/23 6:19:31 AM
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TC discovers terrorism

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Tom_Joad
10/09/23 6:21:19 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
TIL The Holocaust wasn't a genocide. Huh.

*obvious sarcasm mods.

50% of the entire world's Jewish population died in it.

You know what the word genocide means. Now stop trying to use it for situations where it doesn't apply.

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ssk9716757
10/09/23 6:22:03 AM
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the goal is to destabilize and break the will of the oppressor.

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DerWillZurMacht
10/09/23 6:26:28 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
50% of the entire world's Jewish population died in it.

You know what the word genocide means. Now stop trying to use it for situations where it doesn't apply.

Okay. Now then. Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people.
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divot1338
10/09/23 6:27:17 AM
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Im kind of surprised that people are flipping out that Netanyahu mismanaged Gaza so poorly and allowed the greatest attack in Israels history to take place.

For a country so obsessed with defending themselves from their neighbors this should lead to immediate calls for his resignation. Followed by calls for him to voted out when he declines.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 6:28:48 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Why does Israel target peaceful religious events

Why do people constantly have to both sides acts of terror when any rational person understands that both Hamas and the IDF are fucking awful? What do you accomplish by bringing this up?

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IceCreamOnStero
10/09/23 6:29:27 AM
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divot1338 posted...
Im kind of surprised that people are flipping out that Netanyahu mismanaged Gaza so poorly and allowed the greatest attack in Israels history to take place.

For a country so obsessed with defending themselves from their neighbors this should lead to immediate calls for his resignation. Followed by calls for him to voted out when he declines.
Nothing reinforces a "you must be scared, vote me in so I can protect you from the scary stuff" platform like an attack.

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Ricemills
10/09/23 6:30:59 AM
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I'm just waiting for the aftermath, if Netanyahu stays in power and Israel expands it's territory, i call for a conspiracy theory on the level of "Bush let 9/11 happen."

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divot1338
10/09/23 6:30:59 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Nothing reinforces a "you must be scared, vote me in so I can protect you from the scary stuff" platform like an attack.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/8/9/AAXm8_AAE6kp.jpg

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Tom_Joad
10/09/23 6:33:20 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
Okay. Now then. Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people.

Now prove your assertion. You'll need to show a rapid and severe drop in the total world population of Palestinians.

Oppression isn't genocide... and you know it.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 6:33:30 AM
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Ricemills posted...
I'm just waiting for the aftermath, if Netanyahu stays in power and Israel expands it's territory, i call for a conspiracy theory on the level of "Bush let 9/11 happen."

Wanting Palestinian citizens gone:
Netanyahu Haniyeh

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 6:34:15 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Now prove your assertion. You'll need to show a rapid and severe drop in the total world population of Palestinians.

Oppression isn't genocide... and you know it.

Were you under the impression genocides can only be committed after the perpetrators stopped?

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IceCreamOnStero
10/09/23 6:35:53 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Now prove your assertion. You'll need to show a rapid and severe drop in the total world population of Palestinians.

Oppression isn't genocide... and you know it.
This is pathetic trolling.

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Tom_Joad
10/09/23 6:36:52 AM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Were you under the impression genocides can only be committed after the perpetrators stopped?

Non sequitur. Genocides are the rapid and severe loss of a very large percentage of a population group. Now prove it happened.

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Wandering__Hero
10/09/23 6:40:41 AM
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The distress is the point. They feel backed into a corner by Isreal and want to make sure even the civilians can't ignore it. Not saying I approve but I hear this is the logic

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 6:49:48 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Non sequitur. Genocides are the rapid and severe loss of a very large percentage of a population group. Now prove it happened.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/3/AAfhZnAAE6kt.jpg

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Tom_Joad
10/09/23 7:00:25 AM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/3/AAfhZnAAE6kt.jpg

Enjoy your timeout.

Ahem.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

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andel
10/09/23 7:02:00 AM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/3/AAfhZnAAE6kt.jpg

Enjoy your timeout.

israel is certainly not engaged in genocide by that definition. they are running an apartheid state which is awful enough, no need to feed ammo to the defenders by obviously misusing a term in a way that makes you look antisemitic.

bibi is an evil motherfucker and the israeli approach to palestine has been evil af for decades. hamas is incredibly evil and stupid af for continuing to play into the israeli narrative by blatantly committing terrorist atrocities. the only good people in that scenario are the innocent people caught in the crossfire on either side.

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BurmesePenguin
10/09/23 7:10:41 AM
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I feel like saying "ACTUALLY what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is NOT genocide, it's oppression and/or an apartheid state." is very concerned about the wording of the offense in comparison to said offense itself, and it feels like running defense for the Israeli state where you're trying to make sure that nobody compares their treatment of another peoples to how the Jewish people have themselves been treated.


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Foppe
10/09/23 7:11:17 AM
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It is not that hard to imaginate.
First we got the specific date. It was Yom Kippur, an extremely holy Jewish date.
Which exactly 50 years ago was when the Yom Kippur War started.
If we go back six years from this, Israel started the Six Day War. They did a sneak attack against Egypt, which was forced to surrender after six days. Israel expanded a lot, taking over the West Bank.
Egypt and some other Arabian countries licked their wounds for six years and decided to do their own sneak attack six years later, chosing to do it on that holy Jewish day.
They lost, Israel kicked their asses.
Chosing the same date 50 years later for the biggest attack in a long time is symbolic.
They prepared and saw that a peace concert was held relative close to the border. It must have given a bad taste in their mouth.
Not much is needed to make them think like this:
They celebrate that they stole our land and prevented us from taking it back! We know their so called peace, we have all had innocent relatives killed in their "peace attacks", most of us before we even joined Hamas!
They have fucked around, it is time that they will find out!
They all allow Israel to slowly kill us all, so none of them are innocent, especially when they celebrate that they took our land and calls it peace!

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 7:12:02 AM
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andel posted...
by obviously misusing a term in a way that makes you look antisemitic.

How the fuck does using the correct term make me antisemitic? The Israeli government is not an ethnostate, no matter how desperately Netanyahu would love it to be.

For fuck's sake, I'm half jewish and I have ancestors that trace back to that region.

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Wandering__Hero
10/09/23 7:14:05 AM
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Imagine not only trolling, but trollign to defend or play semantics about genocide

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10/09/23 7:14:47 AM
#43:


Since people keep asking: Islamic extremists consider all music that isn't a specific set of religious hymns to be sinful, hence the concert attack. Of course they're not doing it just cause they hate music, but it's the loudest way to send their message.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
10/09/23 7:18:07 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
I feel like saying "ACTUALLY what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is NOT genocide, it's oppression and/or an apartheid state." is very concerned about the wording of the offense in comparison to said offense itself, and it feels like running defense for the Israeli state where you're trying to make sure that nobody compares their treatment of another peoples to how the Jewish people have themselves been treated.
Bring informed on the situation and trying to educate others is running defense? Got it.

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BurmesePenguin
10/09/23 7:19:23 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Bring informed on the situation and trying to educate others is running defense? Got it.
It's basically a 'you're technically correct, the best kind of correct' thing.

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Wandering__Hero
10/09/23 7:19:53 AM
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Im going to shit post the next person who plays semantics

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andel
10/09/23 7:19:59 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
I feel like saying "ACTUALLY what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is NOT genocide, it's oppression and/or an apartheid state." is very concerned about the wording of the offense in comparison to said offense itself, and it feels like running defense for the Israeli state where you're trying to make sure that nobody compares their treatment of another peoples to how the Jewish people have themselves been treated.

trying to use the word 'genocide' that was created because 75% of european jews were murdered for something that isn't remotely comparable reeks of antisemitism. maybe that wasn't your intention but it was certainly the intention of the people that knowingly started throwing around the term for stuff we already have words for. there is a difference in oppression/apartheid and trying to annihilate a people from existing on this planet.

SayHeyyShohei posted...
How the fuck does using the correct term make me antisemitic? The Israeli government is not an ethnostate, no matter how desperately Netanyahu would love it to be.

For fuck's sake, I'm half jewish and I have ancestors that trace back to that region.

it isn't the correct term at all and you proved it when you posted the actual definition of genocide.

coming into a topic about terror attacks and handwaiving terror attacks is p vile anyway.

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Wandering__Hero
10/09/23 7:22:02 AM
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andel posted...
trying to use the word 'genocide' that was created because 75% of european jews were murdered for something that isn't remotely comparable reeks of antisemitism. maybe that wasn't your intention but it was certainly the intention of the people that knowingly started throwing around the term for stuff we already have words for. there is a difference in oppression/apartheid and trying to annihilate a people from existing on this planet.

it isn't the correct term at all and you proved it when you posted the actual definition of genocide.

coming into a topic about terror attacks and handwaiving terror attacks is p vile anyway.

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10/09/23 7:29:11 AM
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ssk9716757 posted...
the goal is to destabilize and break the will of the oppressor.

no, the goal of hamas is to maintain the status quo. terrorism literally never breaks the will of the people targeted, it just hardens opinions against the terrorists.

israeli apartheid wouldn't be politically feasible if hamas stopped committing atrocities. people in the west couldn't point to hamas as a counter for why a hardline stance in israel was justified. all the terror attacks do is give cover to israel to maintain apartheid

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