Current Events > I'm really fucking sick of people acting like prudishness is progressive

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David1988 posted...

Ill give you objectifying but misogynist? Did he hate women or something because thats what misogyny implies, contempt towards women. If anything he was so horny over women he wanted to appreciate their beauty in his own weird way. I didnt feel he had contempt over women, most men who objectify women are misogynistic Ill give you that, but Vegy seems to be a special case, he never showed a mean bone in his body towards women.

At least one woman who posts on CE has stated the opposite in another thread.

ai123 posted...

The baby talk is calculated to give the impression of being harmless.

quite diabolical if thats the case, I just dont see it, I always took his baby talk as harmless fun

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Those aren't my literal words. You cherry picked part a conversation and morphed my words to argue something it wasnt actually arguing.

In the Smash topic, I was discussing Nintendo deciding to ban any stages they deemed political or controversial. In this case Nintendo apparently was banning pride flags, and my point was I dont think Nintendowas going out of their way to attack trans people. Characterizing what Nintendo did (when they use to care about Smash anyway) as Nintendo being "anti LGBT" is bad and hurts real issues the LGBT community faces. No where did I compare it to dicks and porn, but like I said morphing my words is something I knew you would do.

I can't speak on whatever Natsu said, and I can't stop you from claiming I'm him. I'm more than happy to comment on something I actually said though.

Now to that screenshot. A cold hard reality you can't accept is its not just conservatives who are not open to having sex with transgendered people. Not wanting to have sex with transgendered people does not mean you lean conservative, think they should all die, pro anti trans rights or any other conservative leaning policies you morph their position to.

The second screenshot you posted mirrors what I said above. Every person not echoing all of your beliefs isn't a right winger. But hyperpartisan types like yourself tends to go into the camp of "100% support me and all of my ideals and positions or you are the opposite party."

From the first day I moved over to here, I knew I hated the dude. I'm glad they got rid of him. He can think about "breeding the fuck outta her" in his digital cell.

Also, there are women who also found his ass to be creepy and gross.

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That came up too.

Frankly anytime someone says "He/she is hot/got a great body" or whatever its objectification, those are human beings not objects with physical assets for their pleasure. Vegy just takes that x100 to make it fun for an internet audience. And while its absolutely possible to love the beauty of a woman or man without objectifying them, it doesnt exactly work for an account created strictly to be a gimmick and for humorous and horny ends. I just dont think he's as horrible as some are making him out to be, a guy with issues sure, but this diabolical guy who loathes women and sees them as absolutely nothing but for his pleasure seems a a bit of a stretch, especially when hes made friends here who've been women.

David1988 posted...

Frankly anytime someone says "He/she is hot/got a great body" or whatever its objectification, those are human beings not objects with physical assets for their pleasure. Vegy just takes that x100 to make it fun for an internet audience. And while its absolutely possible to love the beauty of a woman or man without objectifying them, it doesnt exactly work for an account created strictly to be a gimmick and for humorous and horny ends. I just dont think he's as horrible as some are making him out to be, a guy with issues sure, but this diabolical guy who loathes women and sees them as absolutely nothing but for his pleasure seems a a bit of a stretch, especially when hes made friends here who've been women.

Saying someone is hot isn't objectification. Treating them like "hot thing for me to look at" is.

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Tulsi Gabbard's website was like a complete 180 from her actual behavior in Congress.

5 pages

People on the right want to return to the 1950s in terms of race relations and gender politics. People on the left want to return to the 1950s in term of sex negative attitudes.

Despite having been disproven for longer than most people reading this have been alive, we've once again resurrected the argument that, if you see a boob in a movie or a comic book, you will become a rapist.

The only thing about the 1950s that I'd like to see return is the giant monster movie. That's it. Everything else about that decade can fuck right off.

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You're twisting my words even now.

Someone else brought up dick and porn stages being still up. I was not the person who brought those stages up first. That conversation in particular went from someone claiming Nintendo specifically was targeting LGBT stages when no evidence proved that, hence what I said post 79. Post 164 at the point a conversation was going on about other inappropriate content still being up and even some pride flags still being up. Which the conversation was literally about Nintendo not being able to get to all of the inappropriate stages that were still up which included porn, dick stages, and even some pride stages that were most definitely still up.

You are doing in this topic, to that other topic, which is morphing my words to say I was saying a trans stage is equally as bad as porn when that isn't what I said. Because that's what people like you do. You take parts of a conversation or post, then go through a gymnastics to morph the argument to something not actual being argued.

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Like I said, I can't comment on other users post, and I can't stop you from thinking I'm whoecer those 5 people are. If you have actual posts that I actually posted, Im more than happy to comment on those. I already know they will be doozies of you twisting my words again but should be a good read all the same.

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No part of my post defends Vegy. But I can't say that I'm shocked you somehow morphed my post into defending Vegy.

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This is just all over the place of making up shit I never said.

Lol didn't Vegy get some accounts banned for saying he wanted to take picture of women's upskirts?

Really weird how people say he's harmless when he's displayed some really off-putting deviant behavior.

I don't think you are talking on the exact same wavelength, but there is a lot of nuance with saying being sex negative is conservative. However the one post about cosplayers earlier is absolutely true.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

If youre going to present pg13 porn to a group of strangers why bother trying to carefully choose words? Its odd

What's odd is that you think PG-13 material *IS* porn.

Tom_Joad posted...

What's odd is that you think PG-13 material *IS* porn.

These are the people who get M rated games edited like Yakuza or Destroy all Humans, lol.

So... what's everybody's take on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2OGuxxZrDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32bS4wP8qPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTolC8RK9Cs

FortuneCookie posted...

People on the left want to return to the 1950s in term of sex negative attitudes.

Where did this misconception even come from, and why has it spread so much? Support for sex workers overwhelmingly comes from the left. Being against objectification doesn't make you sex negative. That's the stupidest shit I see brought up all the time

also it needs to be defined what exactly is negative or positive.

Gwynevere posted...

Where did this misconception even come from, and why has it spread so much? Support for sex workers overwhelmingly comes from the left. Being against objectification doesn't make you sex negative. That's the stupidest shit I see brought up all the time

When Pixiv was talking about banning tags like incest I don't think it was the conservatives celebrating. Who complained to make sure missions that featured a cross dresser were taking out of the Destroy All Humans remake? Who constantly is wishing that the Persona games were set in College so they are less "ick?" Who thinks the Senran Kagura games are an assault on decency? Who caused a big enough stink that a sexy Transformers model was recalled? It has to be a little bad faith to not see a lot of these calls for edits to art is overwhelmingly from one side.

MuscleRobo posted...

When Pixiv was talking about banning tags like incest I don't think it was the conservatives celebrating.

First: I wonder why

Second: I couldn't really focus on the rest of your post after you decided to lead with this. Brother you need to save the weird shit for the end of the post

Gwynevere posted...

First: I wonder why

Second: I couldn't really focus on the rest of your post after you decided to lead with this. Brother you need to save the weird shit for the end of the post

I have no problem whatsoever with people creating things I personally find weird, off putting or hard to understand. I certainly don't think it shouldn't exist because of my own personal hang ups.

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No, that's what you morphed my post to. My post was about there was no evidence that Nintendo was specifically going out of their way to remove specifically LGBT content. Stop trying to claim they are. Especially since at the time you could definitely still find not only LGBT content Nintendo hasn't caught yet, but also other things like dick and porn stages not caught yet.

The narrative that they were going out of their way to target LGBT wasnt true. People like you there was plenty of content still up including trans content that Nintendo didn't catch.

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No need to fool anyone. You are just throwing shit at a wall and wanting it to stick.

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Which none of my posts ever argued against. To no surprised you morphed my post to be defending Vegy.

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More like people like you take a specific stance on an issue and treat that specific stance as a monolith to a broader issue. Like how you think all left leaning people are open to having sex with transgendered individuals. With your hyperpartisan mindset morphing anyone not open to having sex with trans individuals to conservatives who want to strip them of their rights, thinking it's "a choice", and thinking they should all die.

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So Windblade the fictional robot didn't consent to having a sexy model? So what's the mediums you're talking about where things should be forbidden? I certainly hope it's not in fictionalized depictions. You know the difference between fiction and reality right? We have people like Kenichiro Takaki going on the record as saying Sony of America's policy on "sexualized" content make it impossible for me to release Senran Kagura 7 outside of JP the way I want. People should be allowed to create what they want.

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Why? as long as it is fictional, there is so much of it like in GoT. Most people still like GoT. Or liked.

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Well it's a follow up to a post that also complained about people taking issue with the persona characters being high schoolers, so I don't have particularly high hopes for this discussion if I'm being honest

The ability to understand what is reality and what is fiction is difficult for a lot of young people nowadays; it's sad but I certainly can't teach it to them over the internet.

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imo these are different, pedophilia is one of few things that are also not welcome in fiction.

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Lemme tell you why they're not a true Scotsman...

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Of course not

Today's award for silliest 'both sides' post.

FortuneCookie posted...

People on the right want to return to the 1950s in terms of race relations and gender politics. People on the left want to return to the 1950s in term of sex negative attitudes.

Despite having been disproven for longer than most people reading this have been alive, we've once again resurrected the argument that, if you see a boob in a movie or a comic book, you will become a rapist.

Well done you! I suspect you are also in the running for 'saddest-looking strawman'.

No one thinks looking at a boob makes you a rapist. Neither does anyone who isn't a complete clown think that should be the threshold test.