Current Events > Libertarians are fucking terrible, and we know that.

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brubie posted...

It would only do that if people arent respecting each others personal liberties, which then it wouldnt be libertarian

It would be the most libertarian thing ever.

The person with the most money will be able to decide when he's been aggressed upon and "defend" his personal liberties. With the most advanced armored units he can afford (that no one else can, because he has the most money).

And who's to argue with a man defending his liberties?

EPR-radar posted...

Libertopia would be a hellscape of the ultra-rich and corporations fighting for dominance just as bitterly as nation-states ever did, while everyone not in the ruling class would be getting ground into dust working 80+ hours a week until they drop.

Shadowrun is such a fun place to roll dice in, but goddamn, if I'm not exhausted of living in it every day.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Pretty much so, because libertarians are largely ignored outside of the internet.

I've been to too many college campuses that disprove this statement.

Also, Gary Johnson had a surprisingly large media presence, even on the bigger networks, just recently. Even other third party candidates, ala Jill Stein, are being given time and consideration by the people at large.

(I mean, until the media exposes them or they open their mouths... but the point is that libertarians are getting more than just internet eyes and ears on their ideas lately.)

Questionmarktarius posted...

Marx's goal of "stateless" is functionally impossible.

We just have to wait for replicator technology. Them people can't deny we're in a post-scarcity era. Not that we aren't now, but we refuse to enable people to live like that because God of line goes up demands that we not.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

The vague libertarian ideal of "mind your own fucking business" is one I generally agree with and is probably the primary reason OP will occasionally post something surprisingly based

The problem I have with libertarianism is that if you want people to mind their own fucking business, you kind of need a system in place to protect people and enforce the rules that ensure everyone is minding their own fucking business. But every self-professed libertarian I've met seems perfectly okay with *not minding your own fucking business* if you've got a shit ton of money >_>

This is a great way to sum it up tbh

Questionmarktarius posted...

To be fair, a REAL Libertarian government is functionally impossible.

Haha, libertarian govt is an oxymoron.
But also true libertarian is functionally impossible because people are inherently selfish

DrizztLink posted...

I wonder if you give the same latitude to all the people who use the "those governments weren't REAL Communism!" defense.

Since this is exactly that except with the caveat that a libertarian society hasn't managed to be self-sufficient enough to have a politically relevant government.

Yeah there has never been real communism, there was always some dictatorial dude who wanted communism for all except him and his cronies. That's not real

name_unknown posted...

Dems don't want remove social security and welfare for the needy. Republicans and libertarians want no safety nets. Not close to the same.

Democrats know all the "safety net" money funneled through govt goes to the corporations

bfslick50 posted...

Few years ago an audience question at a political Senate race debate was my kid died because he found the babysitters gun. Would you support laws requiring safe storage of guns so this doesnt happen to anyone else.

Libertarian said, Im sorry for your loss but I always store my gun properly which is why laws like that are unnecessary.

Agree TC, fucking terrible

Yeah, that's where some libertarians holds that govt coersion is way worse in principle than anything that free people may end up doing to each other.
In practice that can lead to anarchy though given that people are bad

Its funny because capitalism is i herently at odds with libertarianism

Garabandal posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeiK0fdPv8Y

Dobby should be the Libertarian mascot

I cannot believe that's a real thing is really being covered live on C-SPAN. lol wow

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Its funny because capitalism is i herently at odds with libertarianism

The theory is if you remove all the limitations on capitalism then a given libertarian would clearly become successful much like how if you remove the breaks from a motorbike it might go faster.

Given the amount of power corporations have right now I think we're already close to living in a Libertarian "utopia" but I guess removing existing limitations would somehow cause the libertarians to rise into the positions of wealth and power they feel they deserve rather than worsening the monoply situation as history has shown time and time again.

It took me forever to refind it, but here's some really fun videos breaking down how ancaps are doomed to recreating Fuedalism, Theocracies, Governments, and Communism. I HIGHLY recommend watching/listening to them, it's a real hoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN64g9lA2g&list=PLf8qfSvZiyEuATCPkNCN2rEfc7g7GCjiI&index=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdlVw5KFCqE&list=PLf8qfSvZiyEuATCPkNCN2rEfc7g7GCjiI&index=13&pp=iAQB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENUV9DLa2g&list=PLf8qfSvZiyEuATCPkNCN2rEfc7g7GCjiI&index=16&pp=iAQB

Yes I know the topic is about libertarians, but let's be real, their views have too much overlap to lead to any other results.

They really are the worst type of people, terrible

Wandering__Hero posted...

The theory is if you remove all the limitations on capitalism then a given libertarian would clearly become successful much like how if you remove the breaks from a motorbike it might go faster.

Given the amount of power corporations have right now I think we're already close to living in a Libertarian "utopia" but I guess removing existing limitations would somehow cause the libertarians to rise into the positions of wealth and power they feel they deserve rather than worsening the monoply situation as history has shown time and time again.

Problem is that capitalism cannot function without a government. A "libertarian utopia" would just involve workers taking over the means of production, unless capitalists decide to just start hiring private militiaries and create a faux-government anyway

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

Yes. we already know.

I don't click external links

kage_53 posted...

I dont get these types of posts. Democrats shill for corporations and rich people all the time. They are just more subtle about it.

I criticize Democrats a lot too for their own corruption and their defense of the rotten status quo. I only vote for/support them because of our 2 party system and because the other party are basically nazis now. At least Democrats aren't blatantly evil and hateful as Republicans and the right in general are. Besides, that's a political party and not a political ideology unlike conservatism/libertarianism.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

A "libertarian utopia" would just involve workers taking over the means of production, unless capitalists decide to just start hiring private militiaries and create a faux-government anyway

That is their goal, yes.

Because they think labor is something that has no rights or bargaining power unless it's theirs. But their labor is just privilege and inherited wealth disguising/self-deluding itself as bootstraps.

Libertarian toaster debate cartoon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWmsD0pMrDo

andel posted...

being a libertarian is every bit as cringe and dumb as being a communist or anarchist...like no, that shit is obviously joke ideology

DrizztLink posted...

I wonder if you give the same latitude to all the people who use the "those governments weren't REAL Communism!" defense.

Since this is exactly that except with the caveat that a libertarian society hasn't managed to be self-sufficient enough to have a politically relevant government.

No, they wouldnt.

Notti posted...

Libertarian toaster debate cartoon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWmsD0pMrDo

Whoever owns the road gets to decide who uses it. It's that simple.

DnDer posted...

That is their goal, yes.

Because they think labor is something that has no rights or bargaining power unless it's theirs. But their labor is just privilege and inherited wealth disguising/self-deluding itself as bootstraps.

usually libertarian would believe that the labor of a free person is their own. not something the govt should be able to use the threat of violence to extract.

Nothing wrong with unions, so long as they remain voluntary.