Current Events > High school band director tased, arrested for refusing to stop band playing

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Wouldnt it be cool if police like understood and respected the power they wield and the impact it can have on a situation, how it can escalate things, and wielded said power judiciously and carefully?

Nah we should just keep constantly excusing every single thing they do and keep expectations as low as humanly possible. I love the taste of boots.

Tenlaar posted...

They weren't at their home school, how were they not part of the crowd after the game had ended?

They are still.. a band? Performing at a game? Do you think they just stop playing the moment the game is over and then walk back to their cars, leaving their instruments lying on the ground? They werent their UNSANCTIONED as far as Im aware.

Band is still playing? Cops should talk to whoever is in charge of the fucking sporting event, who can then get the instructor to stop without bringing police force into it.

Or, stay out of it entirely because literally who the fuck cares. Why is this their job?

That's a totally subtle dodge you did right there. Hardly noticeable.

Yes, when the game is over they should stop playing and when directed to clear out they should do it. They did not "belong there" after the game at another school's stadium was over.

Tenlaar posted...

That's a totally subtle dodge you did right there. Hardly noticeable.

So subtle that even I didnt notice it and have no clue what youre fucking talking about.

I have never literally seen a music performance of any kind (or ANY performance) where the performers join the fucking crowd as they leave, let alone need to be ushered out by anyone, let alone literal police. Im not sure what universe you live in.

"The cops should have stayed out of it, the band belonged there!"
"They didn't belong there, they weren't at their own school."
"...but they're a band! At a football game!"

Zonbei posted...

So subtle that even I didnt notice it and have no clue what youre fucking talking about.

I have never literally seen a music performance of any kind (or ANY performance) where the performers join the fucking crowd as they leave, let alone need to be ushered out by anyone, let alone literal police. Im not sure what universe you live in.

Have you ever seen a band director tell their students to ignore being directed to stop playing and start clearing out after a game is over?

Tenlaar posted...

"The cops should have stayed out of it, the band belonged there!"
"They didn't belong there, they weren't at their own school."
"...but they're a band! At a football game!"

Yeah that would be pretty stupid of me to say, in a world where a band playing at a football game somehow doesnt belong there. Its sort of cute that you think their own school? Belong! Away game? NO BELONG though. Sadly thats not how anything actually works. They were there to do a show. When the show ends, bands do not generally flow out with the crowd.

Should they still have been playing music? No clue. We have no idea what they were asked to do or what the usual procedure is.

Did the cops need to come over and tell them to stop playing music? Absolutely not. Theres no reason whatsoever, because they arent part of the crowd and there was seemingly no pressing need for every single living soul to drop everything and leave.

Tenlaar posted...

Have you ever seen a band director tell their students to ignore being directed to stop playing and start clearing out after a game is over?

I mean. Ive seen numerous authority figures say hey that doesnt apply to you, thats for the people that arent literally the sanctioned entertainment set up to entertain. So yes?

If the cops came over and specifically said stop playing music (which there was NO reason to do), I can easily see a director saying no were actually supposed to keep playing. I dont have enough info on I say what happened next that led to any shoving, but it never should have gone there. At WORST the cops should have said alright carry on.

I cant think of a single reason besides imminent danger that the police need to ask a band at a game to stop playing music, even if the game had just ended. I was not aware the police coordinated entertainment at aloe to not events.

Zonbei posted...

Yeah that would be pretty stupid of me to say, in a world where a band playing at a football game somehow doesnt belong there. Its sort of cute that you think their own school? Belong! Away game? NO BELONG though. Sadly thats not how anything actually works. They were there to do a show. When the show ends, bands do not generally flow out with the crowd.

Should they still have been playing music? No clue. We have no idea what they were asked to do or what the usual procedure is.

Did the cops need to come over and tell them to stop playing music? Absolutely not. Theres no reason whatsoever, because they arent part of the crowd and there was seemingly no pressing need for every single living soul to drop everything and leave.

Zonbei posted...

I mean. Ive seen numerous authority figures say hey that doesnt apply to you, thats for the people that arent literally the sanctioned entertainment set up to entertain. So yes?

If the cops came over and specifically said stop playing music (which there was NO reason to do), I can easily see a director saying no were actually supposed to keep playing. I dont have enough info on I say what happened next that led to any shoving, but it never should have gone there. At WORST the cops should have said alright carry on.

I cant think of a single reason besides imminent danger that the police need to ask a band at a game to stop playing music, even if the game had just ended. I was not aware the police coordinated entertainment at aloe to not events.

They weren't playing at a football game. They were not there putting on a show. The game, and thus the show, was over. They were continuing to play after a football game when security was trying to clear the stadium and the other team's band had stopped. Why are you acting like you can't tell the difference between during a football game and after the game has ended?

A reason other than imminent danger to ask the band to stop playing is because they were trying to clear the stadium because the game was over.

We don't know what type of music they were playing.
Maybe they were playing pieces of music that triggered people, we don't know.
In which case, should they have been able to play it, despite it triggering people?

Tenlaar posted...

They weren't playing at a football game. They were not there putting on a show. The game, and thus the show, was over. They were continuing to play after a football game when security was trying to clear the stadium and the other team's band had stopped. Why are you acting like you can't tell the difference between during a football game and after the game has ended?

A reason other than imminent danger to ask the band to stop playing is because they were trying to clear the stadium because the game was over.

Again, literally no reason for them to urgently clear the band out with the rest of the crowd. Not sure why you dont understand that. I cant tell the difference between during a game and when it ends because there isnt one. The moment the game ends isnt a magic switch that means everyone must immediately be evacuated by police, including performers. Its a process, and it doesnt require police to oust people.

If the fucking players decided to stick around for a bit and talk, high five, do a team chant, toss the ball around or whatever, do the cops need to go oust them from the fucking field? No! Of course not! Thats insane.

No clue why they kept playing music. It may have even been wrong to do so! Doesnt matter, did not require police. Shouldnt have led to a tazing. Wouldnt have happened if all cops werent, say it with me, bastards.

coolguyjimmy posted...

We don't know what type of music they were playing.
Maybe they were playing pieces of music that triggered people, we don't know.
In which case, should they have been able to play it, despite it triggering people?

Absolutely pathetic post.

Zonbei posted...

Again, literally no reason for them to urgently clear the band out with the rest of the crowd. Not sure why you dont understand that.

This isn't what any article says happened, they just say that the band was asked to stop playing. You are inventing the "urgently clear the band out" part.

I cant tell the difference between during a game and when it ends because there isnt one. The moment the game ends isnt a magic switch that means everyone must immediately be evacuated by police, including performers.

You can't be serious with this. There absolutely is a difference between during the game and after the game while security is trying to clear the stadium. And you are also inventing the "the moment the game ends" part. Can you please stop inventing things and then responding as if those things are how it happened?

No clue why they kept playing music. It may have even been wrong to do so! Doesnt matter, did not require police.

Police were there acting as security. There is no question that continuing to play after being told to stop by was wrong.

coolguyjimmy posted...

We don't know what type of music they were playing.
Maybe they were playing pieces of music that triggered people, we don't know.
In which case, should they have been able to play it, despite it triggering people?

not cool, guy

Tenlaar posted...

This isn't what any article says happened, they just say that the band was asked to stop playing. You are inventing the "urgently clear the band out" part.

You can't be serious with this. There absolutely is a difference between during the game and after the game while security is trying to clear the stadium. And you are also inventing the "the moment the game ends" part. Can you please stop inventing things and then responding as if those things are how it happened?

if the band was just asked to stop playing, how did it escalate to a tazing? Is the idea here that a cop walked over and said hey we need you to stop playing, no big deal and then this band teacher got enraged and tackled the cop? And, once again, if they didnt need them to clear out, WHY did they need to be asked to stop playing by the literal police?! The entire argument being made was well they were clearing the crowd out. Now youre like they only asked them to stop playing! Okay then. So Theres no good reason.

Let them be, or let the person in charge of the event that isnt armed with a gun let them know to stop playing. This isnt rocket science. Unless youre a cop I guess.

Police were there acting as security. There is no question that continuing to play after being told to stop by was wrong.

It is absolutely wild that youre acting like band continuing to play music is some sort of security issue that needed to be swiftly rectified.

Zonbei posted...

if the band was just asked to stop playing, how did it escalate to a tazing? Is the idea here that a cop walked over and said hey we need you to stop playing, no big deal and then this band teacher got enraged and tackled the cop? And, once again, if they didnt need them to clear out, WHY did they need to be asked to stop playing by the literal police?! The entire argument being made was well they were clearing the crowd out. Now youre like they only asked them to stop playing! Okay then. So Theres no good reason.

Let them be, or let the person in charge of the event that isnt armed with a gun let them know to stop playing. This isnt rocket science. Unless youre a cop I guess.

It is absolutely wild that youre acting like band continuing to play music is some sort of security issue that needed to be swiftly rectified.

Have you actually been arguing this whole time without bothering to so much as read an article about what happened? For fuck's sake, man. Thank you for making me finally realize how pointless it is to keep responding to your nonsense.

brestugo posted...

There's cellphone video out but it's been suggested not to link it here. There's a crowd and lots of screaming though.

why was it suggested not to link it here? bodycam videos resulting in shootings get posted here all the time(albiet they don't usually show the *actual* shooting), so either this video is extremely violent or there are certain people posting that don't want police to look bad.

Tenlaar posted...

Have you actually been arguing this whole time without bothering to so much as read an article about what happened? For fuck's sake, man. Thank you for making me finally realize how pointless it is to keep responding to your nonsense.

My guy. I read the same account everyone else read. The one lacking many details.

Im asking you about the version of events you seem to have in your head where the cops walked up calmly and went you have to stop playing but ALSO they were very worried about getting the crowd out, but also thats not why they asked him, and then the teacher just lost his mind and attacked them so they had to taze him.

Somehow youve taken my confusion about the picture your arguments have painted as confusion about the events as we know them so far. Possibly because you cant read, possibly because youre, you know. Tenlaar.

Tenlaar posted...

Have you actually been arguing this whole time without bothering to so much as read an article about what happened? For fuck's sake, man. Thank you for making me finally realize how pointless it is to keep responding to your nonsense.

Upon looking up the video and a an entirely different article, your take on this is even more hilarious.

Birmingham police claim that Mims refused to tell his band to stop playing while officers were attempting to get people to leave the stadium following the end of a Thursday night football game. The videos show a group of people, along with Mims, loudly arguing before a police officer uses a taser on Mims torso. In front of the kids?, a woman screams in the clip, followed by several shouts from band members.

So.. once again. What do you think happened here exactly?

Ive now watched the video, (before I was replying to the topic with the info in the topic) which you clearly didnt, and wow man. This idea he shoved the police so we tazed him is fucking nonsense. The police are like grabbing his arms and pulling on him, a ton of people are in the polices way, trying to block them because theyre clearly in the fucking wrong here, and then they taze the guy. At no point does the video show him shoving anyone. All you people defending this are fucking awful.

What a shock. The cops are bastards.

How is my take hilarious? My "take" is simply what happened: the game ended, police and security started clearing out the stadium, they realized the bands were still playing, they asked the bands to stop playing, the home team band stopped, the band director of the away team refused.

Tenlaar spends all of his time here getting beaten down by entire groups of people at a time, maybe he just thinks this is how social interactions go.

Tenlaar posted...

How is my take hilarious? My "take" is simply what happened: the game ended, police and security started clearing out the stadium, they realized the bands were still playing, they asked the bands to stop playing, the home team band stopped, the band director of the away team refused.

The band director and apparently a bunch of other people allegedly refused, and then the cops went after the band director while literally everyone around tried to stop them. Clearly the cops must have been in the right here and it went down exactly like the cops claim!

Did you watch the video, Tenlaar? Might want to do that before you keep going. Especially after your whole screed about how I hadnt read the article and thus wasnt worth paying attention to.

Zonbei posted...

Ive now watched the video, (before I was replying to the topic with the info in the topic) which you clearly didnt, and wow man. This idea he shoved the police so we tazed him is fucking nonsense. The police are like grabbing his arms and pulling on him, a ton of people are in the polices way, trying to block them because theyre clearly in the fucking wrong here, and then they taze the guy. At no point does the video show him shoving anyone. All you people defending this are fucking awful.

What a shock. The cops are bastards.

yep not surprised at all.

Zonbei posted...

The band director and apparently a bunch of other people allegedly refused, and then the cops went after the band director while literally everyone around tried to stop them. Did you watch the video, Tenlaar? Might want to do that before you keep going. Especially after your whole screed about how I hadnt read the article and thus wasnt worth paying attention to.

The video does not show anything related to what I've been disputing, which is this argument that the band director had some kind of authority to or was in the right to refuse direction to stop playing after the game was over and the stadium was being cleared out.

so do we have any info yet

AceMos posted...

so do we have any info yet

We have had info all along.

Tenlaar posted...

The video does not show anything related to what I've been disputing, which is this argument that the band director had some kind of authority to or was in the right to refuse direction to stop playing after the game was over and the stadium was being cleared out.

By that token you have no evidence that he wasnt in the right and didnt have authority. So your point is fucking what exactly? Did you just argue for this long about literally nothing?

AceMos posted...

so do we have any info yet

Only whats in the video, which doesnt look great for the pigs.

Zonbei posted...

Upon looking up the video and a an entirely different article, your take on this is even more hilarious.

Birmingham police claim that Mims refused to tell his band to stop playing while officers were attempting to get people to leave the stadium following the end of a Thursday night football game. The videos show a group of people, along with Mims, loudly arguing before a police officer uses a taser on Mims torso. In front of the kids?, a woman screams in the clip, followed by several shouts from band members.

So.. once again. What do you think happened here exactly?

Do you not know who Tenlaar is?

He was the biggest Blue Shielder on 261. Has never seen cop abuse that doesn't get him excited.

Defended Derek Chauvin like he was related to him. Save yourself some time.

Sandalorn posted...

Do you not know who Tenlaar is?

He was the biggest Blue Shielder on 261. Has never seen cop abuse that doesn't get him excited.

Defended Derek Chauvin like he was related to him. Save yourself some time.

I only recognized his name as this guy probably sucks, but Ill be sure to tag him this time. But yes, I got that hes a bootlickers a while back. I just find arguing with these people entertaining. Its kind of like how other people do Sudoku to keep their mind active.

Zonbei posted...

By that token you have no evidence that he wasnt in the right and didnt have authority. So your point is fucking what exactly? Did you just argue for this long about literally nothing?

We absolutely do know that the away team band director did not have the authority to refuse direction to stop playing from the police and security who were trying to clear the stadium after the game was over. We know this because he's a fucking band director.

Sandalorn is a blatant liar, I never defended Chauvin in any way.

yeah tenlaar should be ignored/blocked by everyone here

Tenlaar posted...

We absolutely do know that the away team band director did not have the authority to refuse direction to stop playing from the police and security who were trying to clear the stadium after the game was over. We know this because he's a fucking band director.

You realize if the police are security.. theyre security for.. the schools? The schools playing the game? The schools the band director works for? The band director that would have been instructed by the coordinator of the event, who works at the school the cops are doing security for?

I love this idea that because the cops are doing security they have absolute authority over every single possible thing, and if they walk over and tell you how to do your job you have to obey or they get to arrest you. And if you dont let them they get to taze you. What a cool, sane world to life in.

Tenlaar posted...

Sandalorn is a blatant liar, I never defended Chauvin in any way.

I am like 55 percent certain I remember you doing that now, and 100 percent certain youre lying regardless of that first thing.

thronedfire2 posted...

yeah tenlaar should be ignored/blocked by everyone here

Unfortunately for everyone elses sanity, I dont generally block people and I dont generally ignore peoples dumb arguments just because theyve made dumb arguments before. I probably should, but this is more fun.

We do know what happened. I posted it, twice,. gave the video channel. The game had been over for an hour and all the lights were off. The director refused to leave for some reason. An officer is holding and he breaks from his grip and starts shoving and gets tased

Seems like something is missing from this story. Most cops are power hungry losers that clearly never left the school yard bully stage.

Noname12 posted...

We do know what happened. I posted it, twice,. gave the video channel. The game had been over for an hour and all the lights were off. The director refused to leave for some reason. An officer is holding and he breaks from his grip and starts shoving and gets tased

Wow, sure is a lot of stuff I didnt see in the video I watched. Wheres this hour long video at? I couldnt see any of the shoving because of the crowd of people trying to stop the officer from pulling the directors arm off, and all I could I hear was a woman yelling about how fucked up it was that they were doing this in front of the kids, so I didnt hear him refusing.

Probably also just a coincidence that the director is black. In Alabama.

Zonbei posted...

Probably also just a coincidence that the director is black. In Alabama.

Probably also just a coincidence that this is coming from Officer Smokescreen.

Zonbei posted...

I am like 55 percent certain I remember you doing that now, and 100 percent certain youre lying regardless of that first thing.

You are wrong. I never once defended Chauvin in any way and you joining in to say that I did just makes you a liar as well.

And the police act as security for large public gatherings to ensure public safety, they don't somehow become employees of a school and especially not a band director because they are working security at an event.

DrizztLink posted...

Probably also just a coincidence that this is coming from Officer Smokescreen.

I dont understand the reference but i assume we are in agreement

Zonbei posted...

I dont understand the reference but i assume we are in agreement

That guy's a cop and the thin blue line is hilariously predictable.

Tenlaar posted...

You are wrong. I never once defended Chauvin in any way and you joining in to say that I did just makes you a liar as well.

And the police act as security for large public gatherings to ensure public safety, they don't somehow become employees of a school and especially not a band director because they are working security at an event.

How can I be a liar about my belief youre lying? Thats not how lying works Tenlaar. I never said you did, just that Im 55 percent certain I remember that. So what am I lying about, ya silly Billy?

They also dont suddenly get to tell people to do their jobs under threat of arrest and/or tazing, but here we are!

Basically what youre saying is that any large gathering, the cops can walk up to anyone and tell them to do anything up to and including how to do their job or to stop doing their job, and you have to comply or they get to arrest you, and harm you if you resist. Even though youre hurting no one and everyone around you is trying to stop the cops. And the people that they are there to secure dont matter at all and have no say in their actions at all.

How exciting. What a cool stance with no fascist overtones.

DrizztLink posted...

That guy's a cop and the thin blue line is hilariously predictable.

are you saying someone on gamefaqs is a cop? That doesnt sound right. The trolls on here arent employed.

I posted the exact video and channel where all the facts are from. Twice

Zikten posted...

why did that director care that much? Just stop.

Why did the cops care so much? Just don't assault and arrest people who aren't breaking the law. Easy.

I don't see the shoving. Could you timestamp it?