Current Events > The Starfield Metacritic score keeps on dropping

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Irony posted...

No I told you and then you went around telling everybody

You didn't tell me shit!

I really don't mind the characters still having that Bethesda robotic feel with characters, I'm still really hooked on the game. BG3 does still have better character animation, acting, and animation, but that hasn't stopped me from enjoying what Starfield does well.

I'm just not the kind of person to compare two different unrelated games.

FurryPhilosifer posted...

Starfield is the game I've wanted for 20 years. It's "stellar"!

In fact I'm going to elaborate on this. No other game provides this kind of exploratory space setting, with the amount of handcrafted quests and dungeons. The only thing that's auto-generated is the geography and the optional repeatable quests, and I'm not gonna deny the former may be a big turn off for some people, but the cities, quests, characters, combat, is all the best Bethesda has ever done.

My only real complaints are UI related. I want a way to view the fauna and flora of the planets I've found! And maybe a planet/location search thing to save me clicking on every system trying to remember where The Red Mile is. Also I can't figure out if the cargo link system is bugged or if my setup just doesn't work.

Turbam posted...

I told you it would flop

You are welcome to dislike Starfield, but it has not flopped by any reasonable definition.

Westernwolf4 posted...

You are welcome to dislike Starfield, but it has not flopped by any reasonable definition.

By an unreasonable definition you could claim it likely hasn't made its money back YET. But I mean, come on, it's going to.

Enclave posted...

By an unreasonable definition you could claim it likely hasn't made its money back YET. But I mean, come on, it's going to.

I agree with you-It is absolutely going to. And Xbox hardware sales had their biggest week of the year because Starfield came out.

I own multiple consoles, and in fact spend more time on PS5 than anywhere. So I have no dog in any console war stuff. But, calling Starfield a flop just isnt accurate.

Now, personal opinions on the game itself are a different matter. I love Starfield, but I can see why it turns some people off.

I find it interesting that so many people point to the dialogue and party members being better in BG3.

How was this any different than Mass Effect being much better at those than Skyrim?

Seemed like back then people were overall more understanding of games focusing on different things but now there's a bigger expectation for a major game being great at everything?

Punished_Blinx posted...

How was this any different than Mass Effect being much better at those than Skyrim?

That's a bold claim. There's day and night difference between BG3 and Starfield. Then again BG3 puts every game of this type to shame.

Westernwolf4 posted...

You are welcome to dislike Starfield, but it has not flopped by any reasonable definition.

You aren't fooling anyone, Todd Howard

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/1/AAcjXVAAE2CX.jpg
you WILL give starfield a good score

voldothegr8 posted...

That's a bold claim. There's day and night difference between BG3 and Starfield. Then again BG3 puts every game of this type to shame.

I get it but I always saw a difference between the Bioware style 'Make meaningful choices and play a role within the story" and Bethesda style 'Here's a sandbox open world where you can do whatever in and play through a bunch of different questlines' kind of RPG.

So when people say that the cutscenes and party members are better in BG3 it doesn't sound like anything new or unexpected? That has never really been a focus. If anything Fallout 4 with a voiced protagonist was the wrong direction for them.

Except you can't do anything you want in Bethesda games anymore. Each new game gets more restrictive than the last.

I really like the game. So I dunno.

Justice for Obsidian

Bethesda's 'best game' has a lower score than Fallout: New Vegas

Anyone who is comparing it to NMS either hasn't played Starfield or wasn't paying attention to its previews.

Everything that's in the game was how it was advertised and described in the interviews. It's not supposed to be a space sim/survival game.

Vyrulisse posted...

Except you can't do anything you want in Bethesda games anymore. Each new game gets more restrictive than the last.

Starfield feels a lot more open and customisable than Skyrim and Fallout 4 to me. Better faction quests and the like too.

I can understand the criticism that just going in a random direction isn't as interesting though.

The BG3 comparisons remind me of when G*mers worked themselves up over TLOU2 and compared it to Ghost of Tsushima

They're games that aren't really similar at all with different goals but people love comparing them for some reason lol

The Starfield/Baldur's Gate comparisons remind me of when people were saying this and that wasn't better than Elden Ring.

Who cares? What else was trying to be Elden Ring? Might as well be saying no one needs Resident Evil 4 Remake when Armored Core 6 exists.

Doom_Art posted...

The BG3 comparisons remind me of when G*mers worked themselves up over TLOU2 and compared it to Ghost of Tsushima

They're games that aren't really similar at all with different goals but people love comparing them for some reason lol

hockeybub89 posted...

The Starfield/Baldur's Gate comparisons remind me of when people were saying this and that wasn't better than Elden Ring.

Who cares? What else was trying to be Elden Ring? Might as well be saying no one needs Resident Evil 4 Remake when Armored Core 6 exists.

These two posts here.

i fully went into starfield expecting to hate it completely, like every bethesda game since oblivion.

imagine my disappointment when it was fun

Don't get the Starfield/BG3 comparisons either.

Both are focused on different things and work in different ways.

One is a highly focused, linear game and the other is a free roam, do what you want game.

BG3 is definitely a much better game imo and the companions blow all others out, save for Bioware's themselves, with Obsidian rivaling them.

Starfield's might not be as great, but I've found them plenty engaging and with decent voice acting for most NPC's. I've found plenty of great quests, and just random interactions.

Probably the least accurate MC score in a long time. The game is literally one of the best from this current gen.

ShadowElite86 posted...

Probably the least accurate MC score in a long time. The game is literally one of the best from this current gen.

Lmao

I don't have any spare copium with me

Funkydog posted...

One is a highly focused, linear game and the other is a free roam, do what you want game.

Both are story tellers with different battle mechanics. Also BG3 is more open than you give credit.

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are story tellers with different battle mechanics. Also BG3 is more open than you give credit.

Sort of? I probably should have put 'largely linear' as while you can go and do various things in whatever order you absolutely have nowhere near the freedom berhesda games allow.

You very much have different beats to come across one after the other and can't just go be a miner or a taxi service.

Also, almost every game tells a story.

Irony posted...

Lmao

I don't have any spare copium with me

People are high-fiving because Starfield now has 8 mixed reviews. That's the real copium.

The game deserves less than a six on pc purely on how unoptimized it is.

creativerealms posted...

Good. We should no longer accept buggy unfinished games.

Are you confusing Starfield with BG3?

voldothegr8 posted...

Both are story tellers with different battle mechanics. Also BG3 is more open than you give credit.

It has a three act structure. You can completely ignore the story in a Bethesda game and still play 100+ hours.

I wonder what the score would be if reviews talking about "woke" or gender selection were removed?

Jimquisition review on point as always. Bethesda has been doing this game for 15 years now, if you liked Fallout 3 & 4 & Skyrim you'll like this because it's the same game you've been playing all that time. This time it just runs a little bit better & looks a lot nicer.

Still has all that classic jank & Bethesda "polish" & if anyone says it's their favorite game of all time, you need to play better games flat out. People out here having fun poking a bag of dog shit with a stick talking about "having a blast" but you don't see them posting about it. Bethesda ripped people a new asshole for two years after Fallout 76 & that just poofed from everyone's memories, really tells you a lot about people's quality standards

I have definitely been experiencing more and more bugs as the game progresses, like the game hiccups every time I switch weapons or bring up my scanner, occasionally my game bugs out when I initiate a jump leaving me in space but at the same time I'm obviously blundering blind in my cockpit. When switching ships the model of the old ship sometimes fails to unload and depending on where the cargo bay or whatever they are call are place, they can potentially physically block me from entering the new ship. Of course there's the previously mentioned Gamebryo engine wonkiness that anyone who's been playing Bethesda games as far back as Morrowind can instantly recognize.
The whole space travel just being glorified loading screens doesn't really bother me, I learned about that from the first 4chan leaks 6, 7 years ago. So I had plenty of time to come to terms with it.
But all of that can be written of as Bethesda Bethesdaing as usual. The real issue is with the non-quest related exploration. Almost all the planets are noring to explore. Most points of interest are copypasted right down to enemy and loot placement. So the game is severly lacking in what makes previous Bethesda games fun, wandering off in a random direction and getting completely immersed in the world until, 100+ hours later you remember that there is in fact an objective to the game after you just blindly stumble across the next objective of the MQ.

The PC version is still at 87

GranolaPanic posted...

So what? The game is fun and the people complaining are a vocal minority.

I highly doubt people are straight up okay with everything in Starfield.

I love the game but I absolutely cannot stand the loading screens, boring side quest, and absolutely terrible performance.

Just because I like something doesnt mean Im going to sugar coat its flaws

Kai_Laguna posted...

The real issue is with the non-quest related exploration. Almost all the planets are noring to explore. Most points of interest are copypasted right down to enemy and loot placement. So the game is severly lacking in what makes previous Bethesda games fun, wandering off in a random direction and getting completely immersed in the world until, 100+ hours later you remember that there is in fact an objective to the game after you just blindly stumble across the next objective of the MQ.

100%

I'm not really sure how these space setting games can really get around this either. Most of space is empty. So either they need to limit it or do stuff like proc gen which is really hard to pace out.

Outer Wilds is the peak but that's a very small scale on purpose.

The what? LOL

Irony posted...

Lmao

I don't have any spare copium with me

Not sure what's so funny. I've experienced little to no bugs or glaring performance issues on the XSX. The game is literally Skyrim/Fallout in space, which are up there with the best series ever made.

Some might feel like the Bethesda formula is tired but that's certainly not the case with me. Mod support will make an already awesome game even better. But go ahead and keep fanboying for a company that doesn't give a shit about you. I'm sure it'll get you far in life.

I'm still trying to figure out what part of the game is supposed to be fun. I've been playing it for 2 days now and when I'm not fast traveling everywhere I'm just going through the same copy pasted caves and research facilities killing enemies that are as accurate as stormtroopers with their guns and constantly emptying my inventory because my carrying capacity is dogshit. Or you just walk around barren planets scanning the same fuckin tree 8 times for experience.

Is this really "fun" for you guys?