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VeggetaX
09/14/23 2:51:55 PM
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FF7 Spoilers

Avalanche was wrong to destroy Midgar reactors. It killed many people. Shinra is also wrong for using the planet's energy to conquer the world.

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Error1355
09/14/23 2:52:43 PM
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King_Rial
09/14/23 2:53:52 PM
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Error1355 posted...
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No, he used the spoiler button, not the bold button.

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Lukey_Bug
09/14/23 2:54:43 PM
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King_Rial posted...
No, he used the spoiler button, not the bold button.

I laughed way too hard at this. Nice

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LSGW_Zephyra
09/14/23 2:55:24 PM
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Shinra was going to kill more. It was the right thing to do. Good of the many and all that.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/23 2:55:57 PM
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Are you calling TIFA a murderer tc!?!?!
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VeggetaX
09/14/23 2:57:15 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Are you calling TIFA a murderer tc!?!?!
She knew what she was doing.

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hockeybub89
09/14/23 2:58:56 PM
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Do you keep this energy for the atomic bombs of WW2?

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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 2:59:49 PM
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I've seen people genuinely try to compare Barret's ecoterrorism to religious terrorism. As though "the planet is factually going to die" is equivalent to "we're killing you in the name of our imaginary god."

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Seaman_Prime
09/14/23 3:01:02 PM
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Nuh uh, clearly Shinra blew it up themselves with machine guns, you know after AVALANCHE was there to blow it up. To make it look like AVALANCHE did it!
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ironman2009
09/14/23 3:01:50 PM
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I am antitifa

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ellis123
09/14/23 3:03:34 PM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
Nuh uh, clearly Shinra blew it up themselves with machine guns, you know after AVALANCHE was there to blow it up. To make it look like AVALANCHE did it!
You should spoiler the plot points from the game.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/23 3:04:03 PM
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but actually how many people did they actually kill?

maybe a few Shinra soldiers but mostly the things in the area of the reactors at least in the original were a bunch of robots

then for comparison Shinra dropped the entire plate killing probably nearly 1 million people
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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:04:11 PM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
Nuh uh, clearly Shinra blew it up themselves with machine guns, you know after AVALANCHE was there to blow it up. To make it look like AVALANCHE did it!

Maybe someone will write a fanfic where the bomb fizzled and Shinra finished the job anyway for public relations.

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VeggetaX
09/14/23 3:04:14 PM
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Gonna love the interaction between Reeves and Barret in the remakes. Reeves will blame Barret about his methods of destroying the reactors, killing hundreds and Barret will try to justify his actions.

But ultimately Barret understood he was wrong. That's why when he killed Dyne he told him he also has no right to hold Marlene because his hands are just as dirty as Dyne's. Pretty poetic.

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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:05:21 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
but actually how many people did they actually kill?

maybe a few Shinra soldiers but mostly the things in the area of the reactors at least in the original were a bunch of robots

then for comparison Shinra dropped the entire plate killing probably nearly 1 million people

It's acknowledged in-game that civilians died in the bombing(s).

And I stress bombings, plural, as the narrative seems to forget about the second one. Even the FMV showing the Sister Ray charging up shows it drawing from seven reactors, even though it should only be six.

(The party shouldn't be as "friendly rival" with the Turks though, given they were responsible for dropping the plate.)

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WingsOfGood
09/14/23 3:07:01 PM
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why didn't tc put spoiler in the title

almost got baited by the trigger warning
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WingsOfGood
09/14/23 3:08:50 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
That's why when he killed Dyne he told him he also has no right to hold Marlene because his hands are just as dirty as Dyne's. Pretty poetic.

You know this all goes to show RedXIII is the best character cause he just a chill doggo who did take part in these things.
And that makes the original ending the best. Shouldn't have retconned it.
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Lukey_Bug
09/14/23 3:09:18 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Gonna love the interaction between Reeves and Barret in the remakes. Reeves will blame Barret about his methods of destroying the reactors, killing hundreds and Barret will try to justify his actions.

But ultimately Barret understood he was wrong. That's why when he killed Dyne he told him he also has no right to hold Marlene because his hands are just as dirty as Dyne's. Pretty poetic.

I am so looking forward to the Dyne section. They handled the emotional scenes in Remake1 so well I can't wait to see this scene.

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Kimbos_Egg
09/14/23 3:10:06 PM
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i mean, barret flat out said he was wrong for doing it.

not only that, they're indirectly responsible for the plate falling too.

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RuneterranSnap
09/14/23 3:10:50 PM
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Wasn't it actually Shinra that made it so catastrophic, and their bombing would just disable it?

Or and I misremembering?

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Naysaspace
09/14/23 3:11:19 PM
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Dae h8 republicans
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hockeybub89
09/14/23 3:12:07 PM
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In the Remake, Shinra deliberately caused more destruction during the reactor attacks so the deaths and damage could be blamed on AVALANCHE.

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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:12:11 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
I am so looking forward to the Dyne section. They handled the emotional scenes in Remake1 so well I can't wait to see this scene.

Hopefully they give some actual explanation as to why Dyne hates Barret. Everyone was on board with the mako reactor, and Barret and Dyne were best friends right up to the end.

It's not clear why Dyne decided it was all Barret's fault, nor how Barret somehow learned that Dyne also got a gun grafted into his arm.

That whole section is full of weirdness. Dyne climbed up to the Gold Saucer, shot a bunch of people, then went back down? And in time for Barret to... follow him... for Cloud and co. to get caught and sent below for the crime?

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Lukey_Bug
09/14/23 3:13:01 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
Wasn't it actually Shinra that made it so catastrophic, and their bombing would just disable it?

Or and I misremembering?

in the remake Shinra made the explosions more powerful to make Avalanche look worse. But in the original it was all Barret & Co

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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:14:14 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
in the remake Shinra made the explosions more powerful to make Avalanche look worse. But in the original it was all Barret & Co

There's a bit of throwaway dialogue from Jessie where she's surprised by how large the explosion was. That might be where the remake got the idea.

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RuneterranSnap
09/14/23 3:14:37 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
in the remake Shinra made the explosions more powerful to make Avalanche look worse. But in the original it was all Barret & Co
Ahhhh thanks for that, you're correct

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Lukey_Bug
09/14/23 3:14:45 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Hopefully they give some actual explanation as to why Dyne hates Barret. Everyone was on board with the mako reactor, and Barret and Dyne were best friends right up to the end.

It's not clear why Dyne decided it was all Barret's fault, nor how Barret somehow learned that Dyne also got a gun grafted into his arm.

That whole section is full of weirdness. Dyne climbed up to the Gold Saucer, shot a bunch of people, then went back down? And in time for Barret to... follow him... for Cloud and co. to get caught and sent below for the crime?

No Dyne was the only one who DIDN'T want the reactor. Barrett was the one who convinced him.

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VeggetaX
09/14/23 3:14:56 PM
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Dyne hated everyone including Barret after he lost wife and daughter(or which he thought) and his hometown. He wanted to destroy everything.

But IMO, I thought it was implied that Barret would have become the same thing Dyne did but he found Marlene and that tamed him enough not to become like Dyne.

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WingsOfGood
09/14/23 3:15:03 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
In the Remake

who cares

og FF7 the true canon
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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:17:20 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
No Dyne was the only one who DIDN'T want the reactor. Barrett was the one who convinced him.

As I said, everyone was on board except Dyne. I just think it's a little unfair for Dyne to single Barret out, especially since they seemed to be sticking together during the Shinra assault after the village was burned. That said-

VeggetaX posted...
Dyne hated everyone including Barret after he lost wife and daughter(or which he thought) and his hometown. He wanted to destroy everything.

-this is a good way of looking at it. Afterward he probably had time to reflect and develop that hatred.

I'd still like some continuity adjusting on the massacre at the Gold Saucer though.

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majin_nemesis
09/14/23 3:17:47 PM
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in the original they do regret doing that

Dark_Arbron posted...
Hopefully they give some actual explanation as to why Dyne hates Barret. Everyone was on board with the mako reactor, and Barret and Dyne were best friends right up to the end.

It's not clear why Dyne decided it was all Barret's fault, nor how Barret somehow learned that Dyne also got a gun grafted into his arm.

That whole section is full of weirdness. Dyne climbed up to the Gold Saucer, shot a bunch of people, then went back down? And in time for Barret to... follow him... for Cloud and co. to get caught and sent below for the crime?
Dyne at that point isn't working with a full deck, he's just mad at the world, it's not until Barret tells him that Marlene is still alive that he gets a bit more sane
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Lukey_Bug
09/14/23 3:18:35 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
As I said, everyone was on board except Dyne.

Oh ok. But you didnt say except Dyne lol


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Dark_Arbron
09/14/23 3:21:41 PM
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Lukey_Bug posted...
Oh ok. But you didnt say except Dyne lol

Ah, that's true. I meant in the context of "everyone else, not just Barret, was on board with it." But yeah, could've worded it better.

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ellis123
09/14/23 3:22:49 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
Wasn't it actually Shinra that made it so catastrophic, and their bombing would just disable it?

Or and I misremembering?
Remember that part where you first fight Reno? The button that you are trying to stop him from pushing is the thing that disconnects the plates.

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RuneterranSnap
09/14/23 3:25:38 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Remember that part where you first fight Reno? The button that you are trying to stop him from pushing is the thing that disconnects the plates.
I'm gonna be honest I haven't played FF7 since it released on PC and my memory is shit for games I beat in the last 5 years lol

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ellis123
09/14/23 3:26:28 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
I'm gonna be honest I haven't played FF7 since it released on PC and my memory is shit for games I beat in the last 5 years lol
It was the giant set of stairs that you saw a guy masturbating outside of earlier in the game.

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Seaman_Prime
09/14/23 4:06:04 PM
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ellis123 posted...
You should spoiler the plot points from the game.
I cant edit it, besides thats just some made up copium fanfic i made up
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masterpug53
09/14/23 4:42:21 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
(The party shouldn't be as "friendly rival" with the Turks though, given they were responsible for dropping the plate.)

Yeah, this was just barely passable in the original game since they were still ultimately treated as enemies up to the end, but it really sat poorly with me by the time Advent Children came around and Reno and Rude are all buddy-buddy with everyone (and hogging just about as much screentime as Cloud and Tifa ffs).


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pegusus123456
09/15/23 2:24:39 AM
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Tbf, the original also treats Corneo as comic relief more than anything else, so it ain't perfect.

The remake is at least setting up the rivalry a little better with a scene showing the Turks being a little fucked up over dropping it.

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