Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXV: Day 87 [smfffc]

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FFDragon 09/12/23 5:52:19 PM #201:	good news: no war crimes bad news: rip squall --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:976023024] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>good news: no war crimesbad news: rip squall </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xuxon 09/12/23 5:52:35 PM #203:	yeah Laguna got 11 before Squall got 9 --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:976023030] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>yeah Laguna got 11 before Squall got 9 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 09/12/23 5:52:38 PM #204:	I'm sorry too, Leon. I saved him against Sephy the other day, and this time I tried to get an NR instead, but I just couldn't leave Seymour hanging this time. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:976023032] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry too, Leon. I saved him against Sephy the other day, and this time I tried to get an NR instead, but I just couldn't leave Seymour hanging this time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarThaNemesis2 09/12/23 5:52:42 PM #205:	i can commit a crime if it would help ffd --- Not a stinky alien. :( Nintendo Switch Code: SW-5719-6555-8388 <cite>WarThaNemesis2 posted [p:976023034] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>i can commit a crime if it would help ffd </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 5:53:29 PM #206:	UltimaterializerX posted... Writing was on the wall for a while on Squall, sadly. He had similar trends to Seph this year where hed lag behind but these random pop-ins were keeping him alive. Odd considering you kept saying he was going to make top ten until Seph went out! But nah, I'm good. I'll just go all in on Laguna and Selphie myself. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023048] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Writing was on the wall for a while on Squall, sadly. He had similar trends to Seph this year where hed lag behind but these random pop-ins were keeping him alive. </quote>Odd considering you kept saying he was going to make top ten until Seph went out!But nah, I'm good. I'll just go all in on Laguna and Selphie myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 5:54:00 PM #207:	Yeah but then the other day Squall got tons of random votes at the end and laguna barely made it --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023059] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but then the other day Squall got tons of random votes at the end and laguna barely made it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 5:54:52 PM #208:	pjbasis posted... Yeah but then the other day Squall got tons of random votes at the end and laguna barely made it Squall has been depending on random saves for a while. It had to catch up to him eventually. On the bright side, this should help Laguna out. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023085] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>Yeah but then the other day Squall got tons of random votes at the end and laguna barely made it</quote>Squall has been depending on random saves for a while. It had to catch up to him eventually.On the bright side, this should help Laguna out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SockoressKnight 09/12/23 5:56:09 PM #210:	@captaincanadian Free @mnk Switch to Barret? --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/7/AAZyoPAAByu7.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/5/AAZyoPAAByu5.jpg <cite>SockoressKnight posted [p:976023126] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>@captaincanadian Free@mnkSwitch to Barret? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 09/12/23 5:56:18 PM #211:	Condolences to Leon and the rest of the FF VIII Crew. It was a good run though. --- That girl is poison... Never trust a big butt and smile :> <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:976023133] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Condolences to Leon and the rest of the FF VIII Crew. It was a good run though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisSaga 09/12/23 5:56:54 PM #213:	UltimaterializerX posted... I guessed him top 10 for a reason! Hes very consistent in these things. In that case, Im looking for an Aeris H2 trade. Cant get Barret, I have him H1 already. Ongoing or one off? Either way I'll take this for Red --- That girl is poison... Never trust a big butt and smile :> <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:976023147] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted...</cite><quote>I guessed him top 10 for a reason! Hes very consistent in these things. In that case, Im looking for an Aeris H2 trade. Cant get Barret, I have him H1 already. </quote>Ongoing or one off? Either way I'll take this for Red </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 09/12/23 5:57:06 PM #214:	Gross. At this rate there wont be anyone I care about in the top 10 <cite>swordz9 posted [p:976023158] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Gross. At this rate there wont be anyone I care about in the top 10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 5:57:41 PM #215:	UltimaterializerX posted... I wont be upset if this boosts Laguna to winning everything. I don't think it'll help Laguna quite that much since I don't expect every Squall saver to jump ship to Laguna, but he should be able to make top ten now, at least. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023174] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>I wont be upset if this boosts Laguna to winning everything.</quote>I don't think it'll help Laguna quite that much since I don't expect every Squall saver to jump ship to Laguna, but he should be able to make top ten now, at least. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 09/12/23 5:58:12 PM #217:	UltimaterializerX posted... I wont be upset if this boosts Laguna to winning everything. that's the idea... --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023184] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>I wont be upset if this boosts Laguna to winning everything.</quote>that's the idea... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnk 09/12/23 5:58:46 PM #218:	SockoressKnight posted... @mnk Switch to Barret? I think I'm actually going to end this deal at this point. Thanks for being a reliable trade partner. --- Change is weird. <cite>mnk posted [p:976023200] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>SockoressKnight posted... </cite><quote>@mnkSwitch to Barret?</quote>I think I'm actually going to end this deal at this point. Thanks for being a reliable trade partner. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 5:59:13 PM #219:	If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023214] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 09/12/23 5:59:40 PM #221:	pjbasis posted... If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna. prime opportunity for one of the 5 (???) Ghido traders <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:976023230] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna.</quote>prime opportunity for one of the 5 (???) Ghido traders</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 5:59:49 PM #222:	The orphanage scene is great don't @ me --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023238] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>The orphanage scene is great don't @ me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xuxon 09/12/23 6:01:41 PM #225:	Genny was Laguna's #10 just to clarify. but it's appreciated all the same (spreadsheet missed her as usual). --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:976023282] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Genny was Laguna's #10 just to clarify. but it's appreciated all the same (spreadsheet missed her as usual). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 6:02:18 PM #226:	The orphanage scene has Irvine missing a free throw while trying to say something cool. How can it be bad. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023297] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>The orphanage scene has Irvine missing a free throw while trying to say something cool. How can it be bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 6:03:14 PM #227:	pjbasis posted... The orphanage scene has Irvine missing a free throw while trying to say something cool. How can it be bad. He can make that shot if you win enough battles, but it's more than you'd reasonably be expected to fight up to that point! --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023315] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>The orphanage scene has Irvine missing a free throw while trying to say something cool. How can it be bad.</quote>He can make that shot if you win enough battles, but it's more than you'd reasonably be expected to fight up to that point! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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th3l3fty 09/12/23 6:03:45 PM #229:	Xuxon posted... Genny was Laguna's #10 just to clarify. but it's appreciated all the same (spreadsheet missed her as usual). so long as Gen continues to save in that manner in the middle of the rush I am going to continue to miss her saves --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:976023335] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Xuxon posted...</cite><quote>Genny was Laguna's #10 just to clarify. but it's appreciated all the same (spreadsheet missed her as usual).</quote>so long as Gen continues to save in that manner in the middle of the rush I am going to continue to miss her saves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 09/12/23 6:04:00 PM #230:	Why would you win battles in FFVIII? Literally no reason to fight anything that's not a boss, especially after you get Enc None. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:976023340] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Why would you win battles in FFVIII? Literally no reason to fight anything that's not a boss, especially after you get Enc None. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 09/12/23 6:04:14 PM #231:	Leonhart4 posted... The orphanage scene is great don't @ me I remember I was jumpscared by the out of nowhere ominous "Fithos" chant that happens w/ the ~~Matron~~ reveal also love the snow falling at the end, with that song playing (Love Grows? or diff motif version?), very kino <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:976023348] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>The orphanage scene is great don't @ me</quote>I remember I was jumpscared by the out of nowhere ominous "Fithos" chant that happens w/ the Matron revealalso love the snow falling at the end, with that song playing (Love Grows? or diff motif version?), very kino</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 6:05:32 PM #232:	Mewtwo59 posted... Why would you win battles in FFVIII? Literally no reason to fight anything that's not a boss, especially after you get Enc None. This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game. You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops. After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023382] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Why would you win battles in FFVIII? Literally no reason to fight anything that's not a boss, especially after you get Enc None.</quote>This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game.You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops.After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 09/12/23 6:05:58 PM #233:	pjbasis posted... If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna. For Delita? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:976023390] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>If anyone wants an H1 trading partner, I am now open to doing it for Laguna.</quote>For Delita? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 6:06:13 PM #234:	MartinFF7 posted... I remember I was jumpscared by the out of nowhere ominous "Fithos" chant that happens w/ the ~~Matron~~ reveal also love the snow falling at the end, with that song playing (Love Grows? or diff motif version?), very kino Ami is the song that plays there, but you can be excused since it's one of the twenty Eyes on Me leitmotifs in the game...! --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023396] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>MartinFF7 posted... </cite><quote>I remember I was jumpscared by the out of nowhere ominous "Fithos" chant that happens w/ the Matron revealalso love the snow falling at the end, with that song playing (Love Grows? or diff motif version?), very kino</quote>Ami is the song that plays there, but you can be excused since it's one of the twenty Eyes on Me leitmotifs in the game...! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 6:06:52 PM #235:	redrocket posted... For Delita? aye laddie --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023407] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted... </cite><quote>For Delita?</quote>aye laddie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 09/12/23 6:07:14 PM #236:	Ongoing? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:976023415] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Ongoing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 09/12/23 6:08:24 PM #237:	Leonhart4 posted... This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game. You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops. After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out. There's still no point to fighting stuff for drops when Card Mod exists. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:976023441] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game.You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops.After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out.</quote>There's still no point to fighting stuff for drops when Card Mod exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 6:09:30 PM #238:	Mewtwo59 posted... There's still no point to fighting stuff for drops when Card Mod exists. Eh, that's a slower and more random method when you can just reliably Mug the enemies that have them. (And as long as you know how to Junction and refine the best spells, you can be Level 100 and be fine) --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023463] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>There's still no point to fighting stuff for drops when Card Mod exists.</quote>Eh, that's a slower and more random method when you can just reliably Mug the enemies that have them.(And as long as you know how to Junction and refine the best spells, you can be Level 100 and be fine) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 09/12/23 6:12:25 PM #239:	Leonhart4 posted... This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game. You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops. After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out. but what if I have to get the "beat the game with Squall at his initial level" achievement??? --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:976023519] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted...</cite><quote>This is one of the biggest misconceptions about the game.You should definitely fight until your party reaches Level 30. That's when enemies start having the best spells and drops.After that, yeah, Enc-None your heart out.</quote>but what if I have to get the "beat the game with Squall at his initial level" achievement??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 09/12/23 6:13:04 PM #240:	th3l3fty posted... but what if I have to get the "beat the game with Squall at his initial level" achievement??? Thankfully the PS4 Remaster doesn't have this achievement so I was able to get the Platinum anyway --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:976023526] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>th3l3fty posted... </cite><quote>but what if I have to get the "beat the game with Squall at his initial level" achievement???</quote>Thankfully the PS4 Remaster doesn't have this achievement so I was able to get the Platinum anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SockoressKnight 09/12/23 6:15:07 PM #241:	mnk posted... I think I'm actually going to end this deal at this point. Thanks for being a reliable trade partner. Sure thing. Thanks --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/7/AAZyoPAAByu7.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/5/AAZyoPAAByu5.jpg <cite>SockoressKnight posted [p:976023564] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>mnk posted... </cite><quote>I think I'm actually going to end this deal at this point. Thanks for being a reliable trade partner.</quote>Sure thing. Thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dante 09/12/23 6:17:39 PM #242:	don't worry i didn't buy lefty the remaster, he got the original --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold <cite>Dante posted [p:976023605] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>don't worry i didn't buy lefty the remaster, he got the original </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 09/12/23 6:18:56 PM #243:	maybe someday I'll create a square-enix account --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:976023628] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>maybe someday I'll create a square-enix account </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnk 09/12/23 6:20:06 PM #244:	Dante is 100% going to end up making you one. --- Change is weird. <cite>mnk posted [p:976023657] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Dante is 100% going to end up making you one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
linkhatesganon 09/12/23 6:23:02 PM #245:	Totally forgot to come back, but all good! --- All hail to azuarc, 2020 Guru and cure against COVID-19 http://letterboxd.com/jesusoni; http://www.backloggery.com/linkhatesganon <cite>linkhatesganon posted [p:976023706] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Totally forgot to come back, but all good! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 6:23:11 PM #246:	Leonhart4 posted... you can be Level 100 and be fine) laughs in omega --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023708] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>you can be Level 100 and be fine)</quote>laughs in omega </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 6:25:40 PM #247:	But for serious even most bosses have a fixed level so you can definitely overlevel for them. And anyways enemies leveling with you is always diminishing returns for them because they only have base stats. (granted you can max out some of your stats well before 100) --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023765] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>But for serious even most bosses have a fixed level so you can definitely overlevel for them.And anyways enemies leveling with you is always diminishing returns for them because they only have base stats. (granted you can max out some of your stats well before 100) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 09/12/23 6:32:43 PM #248:	pjbasis posted... laughs in omega chuckles in ST-Def-J I actually did a challenge earlier this year where I got Cloud with his original level (well, original level after the forced initial fights off the train) and stats (no sources) and formed a party of him and 2 dead party remembers vs. Bizarro and Safer, 706 HP, and managed to still win in the end ...yeah it basically depended on a slew of Counters and Magic Counters getting invoked but still took quite a few tries (fun fact, Counter-Mime-KOTR still gets invoked even when the original Magic Counter - Knights of the Round fails due to insufficient MP). I probably should've recorded it, damn. <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:976023892] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>laughs in omega</quote>chuckles in ST-Def-JI actually did a challenge earlier this year where I got Cloud with his original level (well, original level after the forced initial fights off the train) and stats (no sources) and formed a party of him and 2 dead party remembers vs. Bizarro and Safer, 706 HP, and managed to still win in the end...yeah it basically depended on a slew of Counters and Magic Counters getting invoked but still took quite a few tries (fun fact, Counter-Mime-KOTR still gets invoked even when the original Magic Counter - Knights of the Round fails due to insufficient MP). I probably should've recorded it, damn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 09/12/23 6:35:52 PM #249:	I'm completely slammed this week so I'm probably maxed at two saves until Saturday, so I'm hoping for the best that she can still make the top ten. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:976023946] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>I'm completely slammed this week so I'm probably maxed at two saves until Saturday, so I'm hoping for the best that she can still make the top ten. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 09/12/23 6:35:58 PM #250:	MartinFF7 posted... chuckles in ST-Def-J ya well you could have had something else on there instead if you were level 99 --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:976023948] in Save My Fa... [t:80563400]...</cite> <quote>MartinFF7 posted... </cite><quote>chuckles in ST-Def-J</quote>ya well you could have had something else on there instead if you were level 99 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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