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Shoot_FTH
09/03/23 1:56:59 PM
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Why is this?

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GeminiDeus
09/03/23 1:58:54 PM
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Dude grabbed His leg and held on.

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FortuneCookie
09/03/23 1:59:40 PM
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He accepted salvation.
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ai123
09/03/23 1:59:52 PM
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Buy one ticket to heaven, get one free.

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Bass
09/03/23 1:59:56 PM
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This is basic Christian stuff. He acknowledged Jesus as Lord and was forgiven for his sin as he was dying. The other guy next to Jesus did the opposite.

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chitown82
09/03/23 2:01:12 PM
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One thief mocked Jesus, while the other realized the errors of his ways and repented.
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boxoto
09/03/23 2:08:07 PM
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I'm not too familiar with the Bible, but iirc, it was to show that no matter what you'd done, as long as you accepted Jesus as your savior, you'd find salvation.

or something like that.

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TMOG
09/03/23 2:08:10 PM
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Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die
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Ricemills
09/03/23 2:10:24 PM
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Bulk tickets to heaven, he was in for the ride

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viewmaster_pi
09/03/23 2:12:21 PM
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TMOG posted...
Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die
yeah i always liked uhhhhhhhhhh

jefus or whoever

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HANGtheDJ_86
09/03/23 2:12:37 PM
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He stole the show as well during his final judgement

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radical_rhino
09/03/23 2:13:30 PM
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How you gonna accept Jesus as the lord and savior when hes still alive. Hes just some guy at that point. Maybe you heard a story about him making a fish feast appear out of thin air or healing a blind guy, but unless you were there youd be crazy to think hes God.

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Robot2600
09/03/23 2:14:31 PM
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what if we read it as the "bad" thief was just using gallows humor, and jesus knew he was mortal and was also indulging in gallows humor to the other guy but it was really to impress the "bad" thief b/c jesus thought the joke was funny

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Solar_Crimson
09/03/23 2:22:36 PM
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boxoto posted...
I'm not too familiar with the Bible, but iirc, it was to show that no matter what you'd done, as long as you accepted Jesus as your savior, you'd find salvation.

or something like that.
Yep. Which is why I believe that faith-based salvation is bonkers. By this logic, many genuinely-good people are going to Hell just because they don't believe in Jesus; whereas people who have been wicked and actively harmed people their entire lives can go to Heaven if they repent for their actions on their deathbeds.

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DD_Divine
09/03/23 2:47:46 PM
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TMOG posted...
Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die


I remember in a punisher comic he comments while executing a Russian mobster saying the Lords Prayer that he can recognize it in any language and he always fires right before they get to the part of asking for forgiveness.

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LordMarshal
09/03/23 2:55:31 PM
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He was like: "Sorry, bro."

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Prestoff
09/03/23 3:01:59 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Yep. Which is why I believe that faith-based salvation is bonkers. By this logic, many genuinely-good people are going to Hell just because they don't believe in Jesus; whereas people who have been wicked and actively harmed people their entire lives can go to Heaven if they repent for their actions on their deathbeds.

Yeah this is what turned me off from being a Southern Baptist when I was a teenager, this idea that the only way you're going to get to Heaven is all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, while everyone else will burn in Hell. This means those who are ignorant that never had the chance to even know about Jesus will also go to hell because they weren't born in the same religion as Christianity or good people who do more deeds than a Christian will go to hell regardless. It's a mind numbingly stupid the Sola Scriptura doctrine is.

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AgentCoulson
09/03/23 3:08:09 PM
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Saint Dismas, also known as the penitent thief, realized in his final moments that he was wrong for what he had done and repented. For that reason, he was allowed into heaven. The other thief, Gestas, went the opposite route and is probably cursing Jesus in Hell even now...

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Unknown5uspect
09/03/23 3:10:25 PM
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TMOG posted...
Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die
Deathbed Redemption canonically works.

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Vampire_Chicken
09/03/23 3:56:01 PM
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It's all about who you know.

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Priere
09/03/23 3:58:27 PM
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I wanna see a Chick Tract about this.

In his story, he would probably make the non repenting thief out to be a saint that was wrongfully accused and executed as a thief. But because he never accepted jesus, he went to hell.

While the other thief was a cruel monster that killed, stole and burned houses down. But because he accepted jesus at the last minute, hes good to go.

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ReiRei89
09/03/23 4:06:24 PM
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Priere posted...
I wanna see a Chick Tract about this.

In his story, he would probably make the non repenting thief out to be a saint that was wrongfully accused and executed as a thief. But because he never accepted jesus, he went to hell.

While the other thief was a cruel monster that killed, stole and burned houses down. But because he accepted jesus at the last minute, hes good to go.
I mean that probably was the case considering God gave Saul a pass even though Saul was a murdering psychopath. But since Saul "repented" and changed his name to Paul and served as Jesus' mouthpiece he got a ticket to heaven despite the fact he murdered and raped a ton of people.

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Solar_Crimson
09/03/23 4:08:03 PM
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Priere posted...
I wanna see a Chick Tract about this.

In his story, he would probably make the non repenting thief out to be a saint that was wrongfully accused and executed as a thief. But because he never accepted jesus, he went to hell.

While the other thief was a cruel monster that killed, stole and burned houses down. But because he accepted jesus at the last minute, hes good to go.
Checks out, considering that he once wrote a tract where a man who was sexually-abusing his young daughter repented and was forgiven by God, and he didn't even go to prison for what he did, either.

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VampireCoyote
09/03/23 4:08:54 PM
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Plenty of thieves in heaven

addicts too

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Prestoff
09/03/23 4:14:03 PM
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Priere posted...
I wanna see a Chick Tract about this.

In his story, he would probably make the non repenting thief out to be a saint that was wrongfully accused and executed as a thief. But because he never accepted jesus, he went to hell.

While the other thief was a cruel monster that killed, stole and burned houses down. But because he accepted jesus at the last minute, hes good to go.

There is a Chick Tract about this, granted not as extreme as what you said but it's very similiar message. I'll see if I can find it. I used to collect them anytime I visited my friends in the South, because these Chick Tracts would always pop up in the restroom and on top of trash bins (ironic). My daughter, unfortunately or fortunately, tore them up when I was cleaning out my closet because I put it in a shoebox and she was teething at the time.

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Prestoff
09/03/23 4:26:40 PM
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Okay so after some research based off from my old memories, i found two of them.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0037

This one is about a Gunslinger who murdered a bunch of people, but gets to go to heaven because he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. The Sheriff, who caught up to the Gungslinger, goes to hell for being the opposite.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=41

This one is the fucking worst though. You have a couple who are Missionaries that has done a lot of good stuff like building 5 schools and 4 hospitals in Africa and they believein God as well. Then there's another guy, who was a tanker who killed a man in a drunken brawl, says the couples are going to hell because they didn't convert any of the people they helped to believe in Jesus Christ. So when both parties go to an airplane and it crashes, the Tanker gets to go to heaven while the Missionary Couples go to hell. Sadly, this is what A LOT of the "sola scriptura" Christians actually believe.

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DD_Divine
09/03/23 4:35:22 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Okay so after some research based off from my old memories, i found two of them.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0037

This one is about a Gunslinger who murdered a bunch of people, but gets to go to heaven because he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. The Sheriff, who caught up to the Gungslinger, goes to hell for being the opposite.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=41

This one is the fucking worst though. You have a couple who are Missionaries that has done a lot of good stuff like building 5 schools and 4 hospitals in Africa and they believein God as well. Then there's another guy, who was a tanker who killed a man in a drunken brawl, says the couples are going to hell because they didn't convert any of the people they helped to believe in Jesus Christ. So when both parties go to an airplane and it crashes, the Tanker gets to go to heaven while the Missionary Couples go to hell. Sadly, this is what A LOT of the "sola scriptura" Christians actually believe.

I remember the plane one. The second one is fucking yikes


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josifrees
09/03/23 4:42:52 PM
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Jesus loves you

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TyVulpine
09/03/23 4:44:18 PM
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Heaven doesn't exist. Nor does Hell.
If 684 previous religions were all wrong, how could religion 685 be right?

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The_Korey
09/03/23 5:00:45 PM
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DD_Divine posted...
I remember in a punisher comic he comments while executing a Russian mobster saying the Lords Prayer that he can recognize it in any language and he always fires right before they get to the part of asking for forgiveness.

That's pretty badass. Dark and petty, yet badass.

"Our father... blah blah blah... give us this day our daily bread. ... and" /shot

If there's a Hell, Frank's making sure you go there. Just when you humble up and reach for hope, there's Frank with the rugpull.

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Billyionaire
09/03/23 5:04:05 PM
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https://youtu.be/CDcPFLCiqo4?si=5atvOWDfl4Sv34qF

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ghettoraider81
09/03/23 5:13:00 PM
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GeminiDeus posted...
Dude grabbed His leg and held on.


Lol, this got me

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GuerrillaSoldier
09/03/23 5:14:16 PM
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i thought the whole part of this thing was what you actually truly believe in your spirit and soul, and not just saying whatever you need to in order to get out of hell. it's not like lying with words is going to do anything lol.

pretty sure this was taught so that we would just stop mercilessly killing each other and endlessly blaming each other for nasty shit. if there's a thought in our minds that someone can actually literally change and see their wrong ways, that this person should be able to get another chance. but like any situation, that person actually has to change their entirely thought process, not just come up with some scheme a few minutes before they die.


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Makeveli_lives
09/03/23 5:15:58 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
And blood was everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANqoSQvSUhw

Pick a. more TOS friendly version lol. About 4 minutes in the Drake Brothers explain.

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Trumble
09/03/23 5:50:33 PM
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TMOG posted...
Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die
jc*

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itachi15243
09/03/23 6:00:57 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Yeah this is what turned me off from being a Southern Baptist when I was a teenager, this idea that the only way you're going to get to Heaven is all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, while everyone else will burn in Hell. This means those who are ignorant that never had the chance to even know about Jesus will also go to hell because they weren't born in the same religion as Christianity or good people who do more deeds than a Christian will go to hell regardless. It's a mind numbingly stupid the Sola Scriptura doctrine is.

I don't know much about southern Baptist, but do you believe that God really didn't think that part out?

Like all the people who had never even heard about Jesus in the last 2000 years are just screwed by some obvious oversight on God's part? >.>

For some reason I commonly see these sorts of things on CE for why people aren't religious or disagree with Christianity, etc.

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Ricemills
09/03/23 10:26:28 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Okay so after some research based off from my old memories, i found two of them.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0037

This one is about a Gunslinger who murdered a bunch of people, but gets to go to heaven because he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. The Sheriff, who caught up to the Gungslinger, goes to hell for being the opposite.

https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=41

This one is the fucking worst though. You have a couple who are Missionaries that has done a lot of good stuff like building 5 schools and 4 hospitals in Africa and they believein God as well. Then there's another guy, who was a tanker who killed a man in a drunken brawl, says the couples are going to hell because they didn't convert any of the people they helped to believe in Jesus Christ. So when both parties go to an airplane and it crashes, the Tanker gets to go to heaven while the Missionary Couples go to hell. Sadly, this is what A LOT of the "sola scriptura" Christians actually believe.

Shit like this is why i question American Christianity.

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Dark_Arbron
09/03/23 10:29:19 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Deathbed Redemption canonically works.

But I assume it has to be genuine. Its not the equivalent of a surrounded unit fighting with everything they have and then waving a white flag at the very last second. God knows if youre genuinely repentant or not.

In fact regarding that analogy, I recall that the rules of war state the enemy would not have to accept your surrender in that case. You have to make your intent to surrender clear in advance rather than using it as a last second shield. If you keep firing back until youve literally got a gun to your head, youre not surrendering - youve taken a last stand.

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Zikten
09/03/23 11:18:41 PM
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If hell exists, that Chict guy is probably there.
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Sandalphon
09/03/23 11:19:41 PM
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Yeah, and I went to the lost continent of Mu.
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Prestoff
09/03/23 11:24:16 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
I don't know much about southern Baptist, but do you believe that God really didn't think that part out?

Like all the people who had never even heard about Jesus in the last 2000 years are just screwed by some obvious oversight on God's part? >.>

For some reason I commonly see these sorts of things on CE for why people aren't religious or disagree with Christianity, etc.

If you read my post correctly I'm specifically talking about the Sola Sciptura doctrine, not Christianity as a whole, that played a role to me becoming an atheist. This is something that Southern Baptists believe in, which is why they are so adamant in trying to "convert and spread the truth" about Jesus everywhere we go. They don't want anyone to go to hell. There are plenty of things that made me deconvert to being an Atheist, but a lot of those are a lot of logical holes in religion and paranormals as a whole as oppose to holding some kind of grudge against Christianity.

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mustachedmystic
09/03/23 11:26:53 PM
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TMOG posted...
Turns out a life of sin can be overturned by saying "jk" right before you die
You think you can fool God? You have to repent, for real. The lession is if you repent, you will be saved. Even if you do it at the last moment.

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Zikten
09/03/23 11:30:13 PM
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Why is it so hard for Christians to believe maybe God let's people apologize after death? My mom is catholic but she thinks you get a final chance after you die and you stand in front God's throne and talk to him

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Corbenik
09/03/23 11:31:04 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
You think you can fool God? You have to repent, for real. The lession is if you repent, you will be saved. Even if you do it at the last moment.
Yeah, I never understood why people always say this.

Like God knows what is truly in your heart.

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Prestoff
09/03/23 11:36:40 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
You think you can fool God? You have to repent, for real. The lession is if you repent, you will be saved. Even if you do it at the last moment.

It still doesn't make it any less of a dumb concept. A piece of shit of a human that made other people lives miserable can still be "rewarded" to go to heaven while a good person that has done good deeds to help other people lives can still be "punished" and go to hell because they believed in the wrong religion.

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Corbenik
09/03/23 11:39:49 PM
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Is there an example of such a person who does good deeds and helps others and is going to hell or is that just speculation.

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Prestoff
09/03/23 11:47:09 PM
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Corbenik posted...
Is there an example of such a person who does good deeds and helps others and is going to hell or is that just speculation.

Do you believe a person, who doesn't believe in God/Jesus and thereby not having the ability to "repent their sins", that does good deeds will go to heaven? Can you answer this definitively with a yes or no? If you can't, than the concept of heaven and hell is flawed because it becomes too subjective. This is my issue with a lot of religious doctrine, poke at it enough and it starts to fall apart on its own.

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Corbenik
09/03/23 11:51:12 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Do you believe a person, who doesn't believe in God/Jesus and thereby not having the ability to "repent their sins", that does good deeds will go to heaven? Can you answer this definitively with a yes or no? If you can't, than the concept of heaven and hell is flawed because it becomes too subjective. This is my issue with a lot of religious doctrine, poke at it enough and it starts to fall apart on its own.
When you do bad things do you feel bad about it?
isn't that the start of repenting?

also there isn't any sort of score keeping like if you do 100 good deeds and 50 bad things doesn't give you a better chance of getting there.

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ragnarokius
09/03/23 11:58:54 PM
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Shoot_FTH posted...
Why is this?
Cause all things considered he was a decent enough dude.

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