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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 1:55:15 AM
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Torgo
08/29/23 1:58:48 AM
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One Spongebob could beat Goku easily.

Goofy, logic defying toons, especially popular protagonists can beat even the most powerful but somewhat grounded in conventional storytelling action heroes.

I say this as someone who doesn't care about spongebob and has barely seen more than an episode or two, but loves DBZ and has seen almost all of them from DB to Super.

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 2:00:22 AM
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yea not even through with the video and spongebob is destroying galaxies
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Torgo
08/29/23 2:00:37 AM
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Just so everyone is also aware, One Punch man also beats Goku easily, because Saitoma is the deconstruction of characters like Goku, Naruto, and Asta.

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ellis123
08/29/23 2:04:04 AM
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Torgo posted...
because Saitoma is the deconstruction of characters like Goku, Naruto, and Asta.
He is not. He is a parody of them.

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 2:09:11 AM
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lol dude tried to reason logically with DBZ Super and then is like...yeah this part doesn't really make sense...

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Dark_Arbron
08/29/23 2:11:28 AM
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Torgo posted...
Just so everyone is also aware, One Punch man also beats Goku easily, because Saitoma is the deconstruction of characters like Goku, Naruto, and Asta.

Ah, then we have to get meta and argue which universes rules take precedence

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Torgo
08/29/23 2:13:05 AM
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ellis123 posted...
He is not. He is a parody of them.

If One Punch Man is a parody, it's not a parody of DBZ.

I think you mean satire, but a satire can also be a deconstruction.


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Torgo
08/29/23 2:13:47 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Ah, then we have to get meta and argue which universes rules take precedence

The satirical one, because it is an exaggerated version of the genre it deconstructs.

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Dark_Arbron
08/29/23 2:16:52 AM
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Torgo posted...
The satirical one, because it is an exaggerated version of the genre it deconstructs.

Oh I wasnt arguing, just saying why it can be a pain to debate match ups like this. Its just as much a meta battle as it is a straightforward punch up.

Isnt One Punch Man equal parts parody of the invincible hero and also an examination of how to write dramatic storylines based around such a hero? Because getting emotionally invested in someone so divorced from reality is a challenge.

If anything that sounds more like Superman, though a case could be made for Goku essentially being Japans equivalent

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 3:53:16 AM
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yeah goku will probably get tired after an hour or so.

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Dark_Arbron
08/29/23 3:57:59 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
yeah goku will probably get tired after an hour or so.

He just nukes the planet with a tiny ki blast and ends them all at once, or uses some kind of spherical blast. Its not like hes gonna leapfrog them one by one. =P

Although the most likely outcome is that he tries to eat them.

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 4:05:04 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
He just nukes the planet with a tiny ki blast and ends them all at once, or uses some kind of spherical blast. Its not like hes gonna leapfrog them one by one. =P

Although the most likely outcome is that he tries to eat them.

i forgot that goku can nuke stuff cuz he mainly 1 v 1's people that are not too far from his level of power. idr a time he fought a bunch of fodders now that i think about it outside of earlier db like red ribbon army arc.

i havent watched whatever tc posted. its possible spongebob is more powerful than fodder

Torgo posted...
Just so everyone is also aware, One Punch man also beats Goku easily, because Saitoma is the deconstruction of characters like Goku, Naruto, and Asta.

saitama seems like a normal shounen protag just w/ ability to adapt to new tiers of power (including some hax stuff) and going above it . he still hasn't reached his full potential yet going by what's going on in the manga. it's possible that he'll get more powerful than canon goku but idk about the non-canon gokus in that db hero stuff

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MabusIncarnate
08/29/23 4:33:14 AM
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Just one Spongebob can absorb all his weak shit and defeat him.

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TheWizardOfOrz
08/29/23 5:25:00 AM
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Torgo posted...
One Spongebob could beat Goku easily.

Goofy, logic defying toons, especially popular protagonists can beat even the most powerful but somewhat grounded in conventional storytelling action heroes.

I say this as someone who doesn't care about spongebob and has barely seen more than an episode or two, but loves DBZ and has seen almost all of them from DB to Super.
It would be like when they encounter Arale. They would all eventually go "these guys are ridiculous, I'm out". Vegeta would refuse to participate on principle.
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Torgo
08/29/23 5:29:28 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Isnt One Punch Man equal parts parody of the invincible hero and also an examination of how to write dramatic storylines based around such a hero? Because getting emotionally invested in someone so divorced from reality is a challenge.

Because it's a broad comedic take on the genre, that makes it a satire, not a parody.

A Parody is more specific, like Mel Brooks "Spaceballs" being a Star Wars parody. Even though it takes shots at other sci-fi movies, the overwhelming majority of the film mirrors the story beats and aesthetics of Star Wars.

One Punch man does not attempt to follow and spoof any one particular Shonen series, it satirizes the genre through the lens of an original character not based on any one particular hero.

and also an examination of how to write dramatic storylines based around such a hero?

That my friend, is why it is a deconstruction. You nailed it.

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Torgo
08/29/23 5:38:23 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
saitama seems like a normal shounen protag just w/ ability to adapt to new tiers of power (including some hax stuff) and going above it . he still hasn't reached his full potential yet going by what's going on in the manga. it's possible that he'll get more powerful than canon goku but idk about the non-canon gokus in that db hero stuff

What what I've read up on the series, the idea behind One Punch Man, was what if you removed the entire escalation and increasing threat, and the hero started off at the end power level of his journey?

It's not a matter of who would technically win in a fight, it's that Saitoma is already at his most powerful... and since it's a comedic satirical work, that means he can beat Goku with one punch, but since he's not a malicious person and operates on hero ethics in his satirical world, the plot would necessitate that he not kill Goku because Goku is a "good guy"... and then Goku would aspire t return and best him.

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 6:02:50 AM
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Torgo posted...
What what I've read up on the series, the idea behind One Punch Man, was what if you removed the entire escalation and increasing threat, and the hero started off at the end power level of his journey?

It's not a matter of who would technically win in a fight, it's that Saitoma is already at his most powerful... and since it's a comedic satirical work, that means he can beat Goku with one punch, but since he's not a malicious person and operates on hero ethics in his satirical world, the plot would necessitate that he not kill Goku because Goku is a "good guy"... and then Goku would aspire t return and best him.


maybe the webcomic but the manga version of saitama seems to just grow in strength exponentially and can copy advance techniques in a few seconds if he tries.

actually now that i think about it. if goku faces saitama the same way he faced broly (super version) goku would probably lose. saitama would get way stronger physically and could probably learn most of goku's techniques lol including ultra instinct. it'd be cool if saitama also unlocks super saiyan somehow i bet its possible for him since he managed to learn the martial arts "time traveling" in a few seconds lmfao.

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pikachupwnage
08/29/23 6:28:46 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Ah, then we have to get meta and argue which universes rules take precedence

Spongebobs because Goku would want a tougher fight lol

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SpiritSephiroth
08/29/23 6:38:00 AM
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Goku shaking an infinite void just by powering up would kind of answer that question >_>

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Foppe
08/29/23 6:40:58 AM
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Inverse ninja law.
A lonely Spongebob would be more powerful than 30 billion Spongebobs.

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buddhamonster
08/29/23 6:45:01 AM
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Torgo posted...
One Spongebob could beat Goku easily.

Goofy, logic defying toons, especially popular protagonists can beat even the most powerful but somewhat grounded in conventional storytelling action heroes.

I say this as someone who doesn't care about spongebob and has barely seen more than an episode or two, but loves DBZ and has seen almost all of them from DB to Super.

Basically this. There are moments in Spongebob where his entire universe is erased, and using his fourth wall breaking cartoon powers, requests the animators and writers simply remake his universe.

There is nothing more powerful in all of media then an over the top, silly and zany cartoon character that can do whatever they want.


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ForsakenHermit
08/29/23 6:46:59 AM
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If they all laughed in unison Goku's eardrums would explode, if they do damage to his brain he's finished.

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 9:27:55 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
maybe the webcomic but the manga version of saitama seems to just grow in strength exponentially and can copy advance techniques in a few seconds if he tries.

No.

Santana is already beyond the likes of Goku.

The whole point of the comic is he can't ever find anyone strong enough to let him go all out.
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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 9:28:29 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Goku shaking an infinite void just by powering up would kind of answer that question >_>

Watch the video
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DepreceV2
08/29/23 10:12:38 AM
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Goku loses to one Spongebob

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The_Wheelman1
08/29/23 10:27:51 AM
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The video tell us how Goku can be defeated by just ONE SpongeBob. He doesn't stand a chance against 30 billion.

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 10:30:35 AM
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The_Wheelman1 posted...
The video tell us how Goku can be defeated by just ONE SpongeBob. He doesn't stand a chance against 30 billion.

probably cause confident Goku fans wouldn't click video otherwise

"Goku shook a void blah blah blah!"

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Blue_Inigo
08/29/23 10:30:41 AM
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Torgo posted...
Just so everyone is also aware, One Punch man also beats Goku easily, because Saitoma is the deconstruction of characters like Goku, Naruto, and Asta.
Nah, he ain't beating Goku

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uwnim
08/29/23 10:33:26 AM
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SpongeBob is shown to be pathetically weak. If Goku was against one SpongeBob, hed just stand there until SpongeBob tires himself out doing karate.

30 billion would have Goku power up, nearby SpongeBobs running around in a panic while more distant ones catch jelly fish or work.

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 10:41:57 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
No.

Santana is already beyond the likes of Goku.

The whole point of the comic is he can't ever find anyone strong enough to let him go all out.

saitama just gets more powerful as the fight goes on so he'd eventually win (after prob a few mins lol). but i think goku in his highest state is stronger than saitama rn but only cuz the latter hasn't faced anyone goku tier yet. closest is garou who is prob like dbz buu tier or something it depends on how you scale the black void in space feat whenever they (saitama and garou) did the serious punch^2 combo.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/5/AAZsuhAAEy0f.jpg

also yeah garou was growing in strength too (which is why he went from like low s-tier to above s-tier in around 24 hours) but it wasn't nearly as fast as saitama's growth.

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 10:44:36 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
saitama just gets more powerful as the fight goes on so he'd eventually win

No he doesn't. Saitama never trains or learns. He already can do everything.
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rexcrk
08/29/23 10:46:34 AM
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Just one SpongeBob could beat Goku.

Does no one remember the episode with Flats the Flounder..?


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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 10:47:04 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
No he doesn't. Saitama never trains or learns. He already can do everything.

not true he has to learn to do new techniques. he can do it within a few seconds tho

also his training lasts a few minutes but he has to battle against someone that is powerful enough

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Foppe
08/29/23 10:47:17 AM
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He did 100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats and ran 10 Km every day for years.

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 10:48:07 AM
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Foppe posted...
He did 100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats and ran 10 Km every day for years.

oh yeah i forgot about that

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Jagr_68
08/29/23 10:48:19 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/6/AAUQbgAAEy0g.jpg

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WingsOfGood
08/29/23 10:49:25 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
not true he has to learn to do new techniques. he can do it within a few seconds tho

I think you are confused.
What often happens is something like when the fast ninja guy fought Saitama.
Saitama goes, "oh is that your move?" then Saitama does it better.

This doesn't mean he has learned or grown. It just means he thought "I would just do thing other guy did to show the difference"

The whole point of the show is nothing challenges him enough to cause growth or learning. It is the reverse of Shounen were every fight makes the character stronger. That is...literally the point.
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ellis123
08/29/23 10:53:12 AM
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Torgo posted...
If One Punch Man is a parody, it's not a parody of DBZ.

I think you mean satire, but a satire can also be a deconstruction.
I do not mean satire, no. A satire is something that ridicules a subject (through various means) in order to show off the flaws in some measure of society. A parody, on the other hand, is a play on something that imitates another thing in order to poke fun for the sake of comedy.

So while One Punch Man makes no attempts at pointing out the shortcomings of society, it very much makes many jokes that are explicitly tailored towards the shonen genre as a whole. Things like reversing DBZ's hair (by making him lose all of his instead of having it go blond), having the MC be so strong that he cannot actually fight anyone (and the MC is obsessed with fighting for some reason), etc. are all jokes directly pointed at the genre as a whole. While it certainly makes more jokes using the most popular manga/anime as a source, the entire thing is very much a parody of the genre.

And yes, a satire can be a deconstruction. However, as OPM makes no attempts to deconstruct anything (narratively, anyways... Saitama definitely has no issue atomizing things) it is not a deconstruction. If anything OPM plays everything as straight as can possibly be within the bounds of parody.

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Ratchetrockon
08/29/23 10:58:03 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
I think you are confused.
What often happens is something like when the fast ninja guy fought Saitama.
Saitama goes, "oh is that your move?" then Saitama does it better.

This doesn't mean he has learned or grown. It just means he thought "I would just do thing other guy did to show the difference"

The whole point of the show is nothing challenges him enough to cause growth or learning. It is the reverse of Shounen were every fight makes the character stronger. That is...literally the point.


ughh i guess

but saitama genuinely had to learn from garou. I don't even think the technique that was shown to him was even in his ballpark of possibility at the time (the time traveling technique).

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Trumpo
08/29/23 11:16:41 AM
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If it anti Flats form SpongeBob then he solos

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08/29/23 11:19:32 AM
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Wouldn't Goku's punches bounce off? And if you rip off his body parts they just regrow. Spongebob solos.

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UnfairRepresent
08/29/23 11:20:24 AM
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Torgo posted...
One Spongebob could beat Goku easily.


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AceMos
08/29/23 11:25:36 AM
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one spongebob can curb stomp goku

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