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Dark_Arbron 08/26/23 9:28:51 AM #1:	So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this? Because I sure wasn't. The T-800's first scene shows him beating but not killing anyone, not even the bar owner who draws the shotgun on him. The way he snatches the sunglasses and puts them on is also framed as a cool moment, not a terrifying one. Contrast this with the T-1000 whose every mannerism just screams evil, enhanced by the foreboding music as he approaches and stabs the police officer. I'm not saying "I saw through it because I'm smart!" I'm asking... did anyone not see through it? Like it was never a thing to begin with? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975673041] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this? Because I sure wasn't. The T-800's first scene shows him beating but not killing anyone, not even the bar owner who draws the shotgun on him. The way he snatches the sunglasses and puts them on is also framed as a cool moment, not a terrifying one.Contrast this with the T-1000 whose every mannerism just screams evil, enhanced by the foreboding music as he approaches and stabs the police officer.I'm not saying "I saw through it because I'm smart!"I'm asking... did anyone not see through it? Like it was never a thing to begin with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 08/26/23 9:32:19 AM #2:	I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:975673081] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lillymon 08/26/23 9:32:27 AM #3:	It's a bit before my time but from what I've heard not even the trailers were pretending the T-800 was the bad guy again. So most people knew before the movie started. --- "Bothering people when they're shopping or going to work or whatever because you find them attractive makes you scum of the earth." MegatokyoEd <cite>Lillymon posted [p:975673083] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>It's a bit before my time but from what I've heard not even the trailers were pretending the T-800 was the bad guy again. So most people knew before the movie started. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 08/26/23 9:34:48 AM #4:	I watched terminator 2 fiest before T1 and always assumed that T800 is the good guy because he's inthe posters and screenshot (idk what they call it back in 92) on the theater showed him allong with john connor. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:975673106] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I watched terminator 2 fiest before T1 and always assumed that T800 is the good guy because he's inthe posters and screenshot (idk what they call it back in 92) on the theater showed him allong with john connor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dummy420 08/26/23 9:36:26 AM #5:	I have always known him as a good guy in the second movie but I could believe some people falling for the bait. He only killed one of the punks in the first movie when he was getting clothes maybe he just didnt need to kill a biker. Still the music was a good giveaway. --- Trying is the first step towards failure, so just dont give it a shot and you cant dissapoint. <cite>dummy420 posted [p:975673118] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I have always known him as a good guy in the second movie but I could believe some people falling for the bait. He only killed one of the punks in the first movie when he was getting clothes maybe he just didnt need to kill a biker. Still the music was a good giveaway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 08/26/23 9:38:20 AM #6:	it was always known. it was never a twist or fake out. that was the entire premise, that they brought back the old model to save her. --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:975673138] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>it was always known. it was never a twist or fake out. that was the entire premise, that they brought back the old model to save her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 08/26/23 9:38:28 AM #7:	dummy420 posted... I have always known him as a good guy in the second movie but I could believe some people falling for the bait. He only killed one of the punks in the first movie when he was getting clothes maybe he just didnt need to kill a biker. Still the music was a good giveaway. I mean there's also the different way he phrased his demand. T1: "Your clothes. Give them to me. Now." T2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle." There's also the fact that while the T-800 always has his standard Arnold face on, Robert Patrick is perpetually scowling and looking at everyone and everything around him with contempt. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975673139] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>dummy420 posted... </cite><quote>I have always known him as a good guy in the second movie but I could believe some people falling for the bait. He only killed one of the punks in the first movie when he was getting clothes maybe he just didnt need to kill a biker. Still the music was a good giveaway.</quote>I mean there's also the different way he phrased his demand.T1: "Your clothes. Give them to me. Now."T2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."There's also the fact that while the T-800 always has his standard Arnold face on, Robert Patrick is perpetually scowling and looking at everyone and everything around him with contempt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 08/26/23 9:39:12 AM #8:	Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout. But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:975673148] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout.But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 08/26/23 9:41:59 AM #9:	KogaSteelfang posted... Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout. But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist Would that be this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBmbnu5TL7M Literally watching it at the time I made this topic. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975673172] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>KogaSteelfang posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout.But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist</quote>Would that be this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBmbnu5TL7MLiterally watching it at the time I made this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dummy420 08/26/23 9:45:31 AM #10:	Dark_Arbron posted... I mean there's also the different way he phrased his demand. T1: "Your clothes. Give them to me. Now." T2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle." There's also the fact that while the T-800 always has his standard Arnold face on, Robert Patrick is perpetually scowling and looking at everyone and everything around him with contempt. Robert Patrick also put on charm when needed. Like when he was talking to Johns foster parents. Machines in the first movie didnt show much in the way of personal skills. Arnold came in more threatening in the first one but I could also believe he knew killing a group in a bar would bring immediate police attention that was unneeded. Punks in the first movie were off alone and he no immediate police threat. Of course the T-1000 opening scene has him "knocking out" a cop with a quick punch to the stomach so he was always fishy. --- Trying is the first step towards failure, so just dont give it a shot and you cant dissapoint. <cite>dummy420 posted [p:975673214] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>I mean there's also the different way he phrased his demand.T1: "Your clothes. Give them to me. Now."T2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."There's also the fact that while the T-800 always has his standard Arnold face on, Robert Patrick is perpetually scowling and looking at everyone and everything around him with contempt.</quote>Robert Patrick also put on charm when needed. Like when he was talking to Johns foster parents. Machines in the first movie didnt show much in the way of personal skills. Arnold came in more threatening in the first one but I could also believe he knew killing a group in a bar would bring immediate police attention that was unneeded. Punks in the first movie were off alone and he no immediate police threat.Of course the T-1000 opening scene has him "knocking out" a cop with a quick punch to the stomach so he was always fishy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 08/26/23 9:47:33 AM #11:	Dark_Arbron posted... Would that be this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBmbnu5TL7M Literally watching it at the time I made this topic. That's the one. I never watched any of his videos until like 3-4 days ago and I binged a bunch. lol <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:975673240] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Would that be this video?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBmbnu5TL7MLiterally watching it at the time I made this topic.</quote>That's the one. I never watched any of his videos until like 3-4 days ago and I binged a bunch. lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 08/26/23 9:48:13 AM #12:	dummy420 posted... Robert Patrick also put on charm when needed. Like when he was talking to Johns foster parents. Machines in the first movie didnt show much in the way of personal skills. Arnold came in more threatening in the first one but I could also believe he knew killing a group in a bar would bring immediate police attention that was unneeded. Punks in the first movie were off alone and he no immediate police threat. Of course the T-1000 opening scene has him "knocking out" a cop with a quick punch to the stomach so he was always fishy. He could put on charm and smile when he could, sure, but that actually makes the effect even better. It shows how utilitarian he is. You can tell behind those smiles and gestures of "thank you" there is zero soul whatsoever. Every other time he has what I described as a scowl. Even the way he moves is very subtly unnatural. Yeah, we all know this movie was amazing. I think it's not just one of the best sequels ever but also the best unnecessary sequel. T1 was a perfect closed loop and didn't even need a sequel, yet T2 delivered regardless. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975673252] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>dummy420 posted... </cite><quote>Robert Patrick also put on charm when needed. Like when he was talking to Johns foster parents. Machines in the first movie didnt show much in the way of personal skills. Arnold came in more threatening in the first one but I could also believe he knew killing a group in a bar would bring immediate police attention that was unneeded. Punks in the first movie were off alone and he no immediate police threat.Of course the T-1000 opening scene has him "knocking out" a cop with a quick punch to the stomach so he was always fishy.</quote>He could put on charm and smile when he could, sure, but that actually makes the effect even better. It shows how utilitarian he is. You can tell behind those smiles and gestures of "thank you" there is zero soul whatsoever. Every other time he has what I described as a scowl. Even the way he moves is very subtly unnatural.Yeah, we all know this movie was amazing. I think it's not just one of the best sequels ever but also the best unnecessary sequel. T1 was a perfect closed loop and didn't even need a sequel, yet T2 delivered regardless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 08/26/23 9:49:05 AM #13:	TheOtherMike posted... I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time. they even did certain changes to make him look the same as in t1 but somehow make him look like the good guy now, for example the hairdo is less spiky, the Sun shades are different and so is the jacket <cite>the_pika posted [p:975673260] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time.</quote>they even did certain changes to make him look the same as in t1 but somehow make him look like the good guy now, for example the hairdo is less spiky, the Sun shades are different and so is the jacket </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeminiDeus 08/26/23 9:49:59 AM #14:	Rewatching this, I realize that it's ambiguous on which one is supposed to be the protector. We, the audience, recognized the T-800 as being a killer, so it could be assumed that it is again, while the police officer looking one is the protector. Arnold is never directly shown being with John or Sarah and is in fact shown shooting at the police. In retrospect, I can see that we weren't really supposed to know who was who, from this trailer anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qI3PUT5a5I --- Without truth, there is nothing. <cite>GeminiDeus posted [p:975673272] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Rewatching this, I realize that it's ambiguous on which one is supposed to be the protector. We, the audience, recognized the T-800 as being a killer, so it could be assumed that it is again, while the police officer looking one is the protector. Arnold is never directly shown being with John or Sarah and is in fact shown shooting at the police.In retrospect, I can see that we weren't really supposed to know who was who, from this trailer anyway.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qI3PUT5a5I </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dummy420 08/26/23 9:59:21 AM #15:	Dark_Arbron posted... He could put on charm and smile when he could, sure, but that actually makes the effect even better. It shows how utilitarian he is. You can tell behind those smiles and gestures of "thank you" there is zero soul whatsoever. Every other time he has what I described as a scowl. Even the way he moves is very subtly unnatural. Yeah, we all know this movie was amazing. I think it's not just one of the best sequels ever but also the best unnecessary sequel. T1 was a perfect closed loop and didn't even need a sequel, yet T2 delivered regardless. Yeah he was the upgrade in every way. Even Skynet didnt trust the T-1000. But I think T1 could both be a standalone or followed up with a sequel like T2. T2 closed the loop as well. T1 they were on the defensive and keeping Sarah and John existing. T2 Sarah went on the offensive and destroyed Skynet. I only count T1 and T2 because the other movies main plot point is nuh-uh didnt stop skynet because we need money. Except for Dark Fate which did actually respect the plot of T2 but was not good enough for me to care about. --- Trying is the first step towards failure, so just dont give it a shot and you cant dissapoint. <cite>dummy420 posted [p:975673371] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>He could put on charm and smile when he could, sure, but that actually makes the effect even better. It shows how utilitarian he is. You can tell behind those smiles and gestures of "thank you" there is zero soul whatsoever. Every other time he has what I described as a scowl. Even the way he moves is very subtly unnatural.Yeah, we all know this movie was amazing. I think it's not just one of the best sequels ever but also the best unnecessary sequel. T1 was a perfect closed loop and didn't even need a sequel, yet T2 delivered regardless.</quote>Yeah he was the upgrade in every way. Even Skynet didnt trust the T-1000. But I think T1 could both be a standalone or followed up with a sequel like T2. T2 closed the loop as well. T1 they were on the defensive and keeping Sarah and John existing. T2 Sarah went on the offensive and destroyed Skynet. I only count T1 and T2 because the other movies main plot point is nuh-uh didnt stop skynet because we need money. Except for Dark Fate which did actually respect the plot of T2 but was not good enough for me to care about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CwebbMichSac4 08/26/23 10:00:08 AM #16:	Dark_Arbron posted... So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this? Because I sure wasn't. The T-800's first scene shows him beating but not killing anyone, not even the bar owner who draws the shotgun on him. The way he snatches the sunglasses and puts them on is also framed as a cool moment, not a terrifying one. Contrast this with the T-1000 whose every mannerism just screams evil, enhanced by the foreboding music as he approaches and stabs the police officer. I'm not saying "I saw through it because I'm smart!" I'm asking... did anyone not see through it? Like it was never a thing to begin with? yeah i read this as well. It was supposed to be a secret, about arnold. But it was leaked everywhere. So they just started talking about this plot point before the movie released iirc <cite>CwebbMichSac4 posted [p:975673375] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this? Because I sure wasn't. The T-800's first scene shows him beating but not killing anyone, not even the bar owner who draws the shotgun on him. The way he snatches the sunglasses and puts them on is also framed as a cool moment, not a terrifying one.Contrast this with the T-1000 whose every mannerism just screams evil, enhanced by the foreboding music as he approaches and stabs the police officer.I'm not saying "I saw through it because I'm smart!"I'm asking... did anyone not see through it? Like it was never a thing to begin with?</quote>yeah i read this as well. It was supposed to be a secret, about arnold. But it was leaked everywhere. So they just started talking about this plot point before the movie released iirc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 08/26/23 10:08:51 AM #17:	Watching the trailer it is unclear who was suppose to be the good guy robot and who was trying to kill John/Sarah. BUT films do not exist in a vacuum, Arnold was already a big star when Terminator 2 came out. Commando, Predator, Total Recall, even light hearted comedies like Twins and Kindergarten Cop were on his resume. He was a house hold name as an action HERO. So with the trailer saying one robot is programed to destroy, the other programed to protect, by the laws of action film standards you would assume the guy who is usually the hero in action films was the one who would be the hero here. While I was alive when T2 came out I didn't see it then, but I don't remember people talking about it being a huge twist that Arnold was the hero. In fact IIRC from the people I knew (mostly pre-teen boys) they were mostly surprised that he was the villain from the first film (a film we were too young to have seen when it came out). --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:975673473] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Watching the trailer it is unclear who was suppose to be the good guy robot and who was trying to kill John/Sarah. BUT films do not exist in a vacuum, Arnold was already a big star when Terminator 2 came out. Commando, Predator, Total Recall, even light hearted comedies like Twins and Kindergarten Cop were on his resume. He was a house hold name as an action HERO. So with the trailer saying one robot is programed to destroy, the other programed to protect, by the laws of action film standards you would assume the guy who is usually the hero in action films was the one who would be the hero here.While I was alive when T2 came out I didn't see it then, but I don't remember people talking about it being a huge twist that Arnold was the hero. In fact IIRC from the people I knew (mostly pre-teen boys) they were mostly surprised that he was the villain from the first film (a film we were too young to have seen when it came out). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 08/26/23 10:12:23 AM #18:	an original trailer confirms it was in the promo material: https://youtu.be/CRRlbK5w8AE?si=wP9ACLq97n3jkAA4 --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:975673523] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>an original trailer confirms it was in the promo material:https://youtu.be/CRRlbK5w8AE?si=wP9ACLq97n3jkAA4 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy 08/26/23 10:14:33 AM #19:	at like 1 minute it sounds like he says 'ememy' and kept the take someone on here once said that alien is to terminator as aliens is to terminator 2 --- https://imgur.com/a7zbPmp.gif <cite>Fluttershy posted [p:975673564] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>at like 1 minute it sounds like he says 'ememy' and kept the takesomeone on here once said that alien is to terminator as aliens is to terminator 2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 08/26/23 10:16:59 AM #20:	A plot twist isn't a bait and switch. And yeah, the advertising completely spoiled that surprise. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:975673594] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>A plot twist isn't a bait and switch.And yeah, the advertising completely spoiled that surprise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold 08/26/23 10:17:09 AM #21:	I thought it was a great way to keep people guessing if they didn't know. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg <cite>Kaldrenthebold posted [p:975673596] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I thought it was a great way to keep people guessing if they didn't know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 08/26/23 10:21:42 AM #22:	Here's the original trailer. Makes sense when you think about it. There's only so much you could show to try and make it seem like he's not with Sarah and John. https://youtu.be/CRRlbK5w8AE?si=Z3r0vNOSfJUZm3RY --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:975673662] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Here's the original trailer. Makes sense when you think about it. There's only so much you could show to try and make it seem like he's not with Sarah and John. https://youtu.be/CRRlbK5w8AE?si=Z3r0vNOSfJUZm3RY </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PeteyParker 08/26/23 10:40:17 AM #23:	My brothers and I thought he was going to be the bad guy again just because of the first one. We were young and hadn't really seen any of the trailers. We did find out before seeing it though because it was being advertised a lot on TV right before it came out. --- "How can.. the Prime minister.. support a law.. that makes it illegal for people.. who....What I'm trying to say is.. Oasis rules!" <cite>PeteyParker posted [p:975673863] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>My brothers and I thought he was going to be the bad guy again just because of the first one. We were young and hadn't really seen any of the trailers. We did find out before seeing it though because it was being advertised a lot on TV right before it came out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InTheEyesOfFire 08/26/23 11:02:59 AM #24:	TheOtherMike posted... I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time. --- "Oh man would you just shut up already, how come all you sword guys have to talk about how cool your swords are?" <cite>InTheEyesOfFire posted [p:975674154] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 08/26/23 11:17:42 AM #25:	KogaSteelfang posted... Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout. But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist It's been some time since I've seen it, but hadn't the T-1000 killed several people by the time of that hallway shootout? --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:975674326] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>KogaSteelfang posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, I recently saw a video where the narrator explained that the T-1000 was supposed to be a surprise villain and that we aren't supposed to know until the hallway shootout.But, I can't recall ever not knowing it was the villain. I can't recall the first time watching that movie though, so maybe I'd seen it before I ever paid attention to who was doing what. Idk, but I was quite surprised that it was apparently supposed to be a twist</quote>It's been some time since I've seen it, but hadn't the T-1000 killed several people by the time of that hallway shootout? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 08/26/23 12:20:08 PM #26:	bfslick50 posted... It's been some time since I've seen it, but hadn't the T-1000 killed several people by the time of that hallway shootout? The cop he "punched" early on is ambiguous, but he likely stabbed and killed him. That's the only one before the mall, though. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:975675190] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>bfslick50 posted... </cite><quote>It's been some time since I've seen it, but hadn't the T-1000 killed several people by the time of that hallway shootout?</quote>The cop he "punched" early on is ambiguous, but he likely stabbed and killed him. That's the only one before the mall, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revisited 08/28/23 1:53:37 AM #27:	Ah terminator 2, the days when R-rated movies were marketed to kids. Good times. It's not so crazy to see how kids watching the movie who don't watch trailers would have been taken by surprise at it. I certainly was, still vaguely remember the showing back then <cite>Revisited posted [p:975706372] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Ah terminator 2, the days when R-rated movies were marketed to kids. Good times. It's not so crazy to see how kids watching the movie who don't watch trailers would have been taken by surprise at it. I certainly was, still vaguely remember the showing back then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Geiki_Ganger 08/28/23 1:58:30 AM #29:	I think I read somewhere before that Cameron wanted it to be a surprise, but the studio's marketing team vetoed him. Could have been another movie though. --- Nintendo 3DS Friend Code: 3368 - 1137 - 5460 http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q155/Gamecubesupreme/sf7y9s.jpg <cite>Geiki_Ganger posted [p:975706410] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I think I read somewhere before that Cameron wanted it to be a surprise, but the studio's marketing team vetoed him. Could have been another movie though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xGhostchantx 08/28/23 1:59:06 AM #30:	TheOtherMike posted... I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time. ^ Lillymon posted... I've heard not even the trailers were pretending the T-800 was the bad guy again. So most people knew before the movie started. ^ This was the norm for the most part up until around the late 90s. If it had a novelization, it always came out before the movie and spoiled the movie, too. Another example is "I am your father" literally being in the Empire trailer. --- Tiw - Min scild, min sweord Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra <cite>xGhostchantx posted [p:975706415] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>I'm pretty sure pre-release material was up front that Arnold was a "good" terminator in T2. I don't remember there being any confusion about it at the time.</quote>^Lillymon posted... </cite><quote>I've heard not even the trailers were pretending the T-800 was the bad guy again. So most people knew before the movie started.</quote>^This was the norm for the most part up until around the late 90s. If it had a novelization, it always came out before the movie and spoiled the movie, too. Another example is "I am your father" literally being in the Empire trailer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 08/28/23 2:01:10 AM #31:	Dark_Arbron posted... So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this? At the time, no. There was sooo much media hype around the release of the movie, it was the summer after Batman 1989, and the hype was off the charts... hit Guns and Roses song, behind the scenes specials, interviews on Entertainment Tonight and the Tonight Show, MTV guest spots, promotional tie-ins... Good thing the movie was actually pretty awesome. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975706435] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>So the narrative is that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking that the T-800 was the bad guy again while the T-1000 was the hero. Was anyone actually taken in by this?</quote>At the time, no.There was sooo much media hype around the release of the movie, it was the summer after Batman 1989, and the hype was off the charts... hit Guns and Roses song, behind the scenes specials, interviews on Entertainment Tonight and the Tonight Show, MTV guest spots, promotional tie-ins...Good thing the movie was actually pretty awesome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revisited 08/28/23 2:01:56 AM #32:	Fluttershy posted... at like 1 minute it sounds like he says 'ememy' and kept the take someone on here once said that alien is to terminator as aliens is to terminator 2 That's crazy bro, James Cameron directed that too! <cite>Revisited posted [p:975706440] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Fluttershy posted... </cite><quote>at like 1 minute it sounds like he says 'ememy' and kept the takesomeone on here once said that alien is to terminator as aliens is to terminator 2</quote>That's crazy bro, James Cameron directed that too!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 08/28/23 2:03:08 AM #33:	Revisited posted... Ah terminator 2, the days when R-rated movies were marketed to kids. Good times. Yeah, and man, how much it screwed us up in the head What do you mean it didnt? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975706452] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Revisited posted... </cite><quote>Ah terminator 2, the days when R-rated movies were marketed to kids. Good times. </quote>Yeah, and man, how much it screwed us up in the headWhat do you mean it didnt? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 08/28/23 2:03:29 AM #34:	https://youtu.be/MXx9S2nDouY Actually one of their better songs TBH... this video ran on MTV like 24/7 that summer. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975706454] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/MXx9S2nDouYActually one of their better songs TBH... this video ran on MTV like 24/7 that summer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thekosmicfool 08/28/23 2:08:44 AM #35:	By the time I saw it it was already common knowledge that the T1000 was the bad guy. --- Cover your knees up if you're gonna be walkin' around everywhere. <cite>thekosmicfool posted [p:975706481] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>By the time I saw it it was already common knowledge that the T1000 was the bad guy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 08/28/23 2:23:34 AM #36:	I knew zero things about the Terminator movies and watched the first two back to back one day. Actually was surprised to learn that Arnold was the good guy in the movie. Up till that point all my Terminator knowledge was "Hasta La Vista Baby", "I'll be back", and the arcade shooter >_> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:975706576] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I knew zero things about the Terminator movies and watched the first two back to back one day. Actually was surprised to learn that Arnold was the good guy in the movie. Up till that point all my Terminator knowledge was "Hasta La Vista Baby", "I'll be back", and the arcade shooter >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 08/28/23 2:28:59 AM #37:	From talking with my dad, there was never any real "bait and switch" because all the advertising showed Arnold to be a good guy. The only way for it to be a bait and switch is if someone were to watch the first and second movie completely blind (as in not reading the synposis, watching the trailer/commercial, etc.). --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:975706624] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>From talking with my dad, there was never any real "bait and switch" because all the advertising showed Arnold to be a good guy. The only way for it to be a bait and switch is if someone were to watch the first and second movie completely blind (as in not reading the synposis, watching the trailer/commercial, etc.). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 08/28/23 2:37:15 AM #38:	Prestoff posted... From talking with my dad, there was never any real "bait and switch" because all the advertising showed Arnold to be a good guy. The only way for it to be a bait and switch is if someone were to watch the first and second movie completely blind (as in not reading the synposis, watching the trailer/commercial, etc.). Can confirm. Also, it's funny a lot of us middle school kids going to see this had not seen the first one yet. The Terminator was a well known movie, but it was actually a fairly low-budget movie and wasn't anywhere near as big as Star Wars or Indiana Jones or Back to the Future. Also, rated R with partial nudity. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975706666] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Prestoff posted... </cite><quote>From talking with my dad, there was never any real "bait and switch" because all the advertising showed Arnold to be a good guy. The only way for it to be a bait and switch is if someone were to watch the first and second movie completely blind (as in not reading the synposis, watching the trailer/commercial, etc.).</quote>Can confirm.Also, it's funny a lot of us middle school kids going to see this had not seen the first one yet. The Terminator was a well known movie, but it was actually a fairly low-budget movie and wasn't anywhere near as big as Star Wars or Indiana Jones or Back to the Future. Also, rated R with partial nudity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 08/28/23 2:58:50 AM #39:	Torgo posted... Can confirm. Also, it's funny a lot of us middle school kids going to see this had not seen the first one yet. The Terminator was a well known movie, but it was actually a fairly low-budget movie and wasn't anywhere near as big as Star Wars or Indiana Jones or Back to the Future. Also, rated R with partial nudity. Underrated movie IMO. Everyone loves T2 and rightly so, but T1 is awesome too. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:975706824] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>Can confirm.Also, it's funny a lot of us middle school kids going to see this had not seen the first one yet. The Terminator was a well known movie, but it was actually a fairly low-budget movie and wasn't anywhere near as big as Star Wars or Indiana Jones or Back to the Future. Also, rated R with partial nudity.</quote>Underrated movie IMO. Everyone loves T2 and rightly so, but T1 is awesome too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ffmasterjose 08/28/23 5:18:28 AM #40:	My girlfriend watched the first two Terminator movies with me having no prior knowledge of the films beforehand. The mall scene where the T-1000 and T-800 first encounter each other and Arnold shields the kid from the bullets? Her reaction was "oooooh he's a good guy in this one" So it's totally possible for that twist to still catch a new viewer off-guard, you just gotta have like no knowledge of the movies . <cite>ffmasterjose posted [p:975707643] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>My girlfriend watched the first two Terminator movies with me having no prior knowledge of the films beforehand.The mall scene where the T-1000 and T-800 first encounter each other and Arnold shields the kid from the bullets? Her reaction was "oooooh he's a good guy in this one"So it's totally possible for that twist to still catch a new viewer off-guard, you just gotta have like no knowledge of the movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 08/28/23 5:21:53 AM #41:	It was such common knowledge. However, my girlfriend had never been aware of the series and when she watched it for the first time, she was very surprised. <cite>Glob posted [p:975707659] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>It was such common knowledge. However, my girlfriend had never been aware of the series and when she watched it for the first time, she was very surprised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 08/28/23 5:48:58 AM #42:	I am the right age for this. The audience always knew 1000 was bad. The in movie people did not know. It was not a surprise or intended to be one for the audience. The audience has more information available to them than the characters. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:975707793] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>I am the right age for this.The audience always knew 1000 was bad. The in movie people did not know. It was not a surprise or intended to be one for the audience. The audience has more information available to them than the characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious_Cat 08/30/23 5:04:42 AM #43:	Geiki_Ganger posted... I think I read somewhere before that Cameron wanted it to be a surprise, but the studio's marketing team vetoed him. Could have been another movie though. Just watched the commentary, and at the very least he conceded that there wasn't much they could do to hide it. As an aside, a crazy amount of stuff that I assumed was part of the CGI turned out to be practical, mostly from Stan Winston. I did spot the liquid mercury, but it all absolutely works. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious_Cat posted [p:975746551] in The Termin... [t:80547113]...</cite> <quote>Geiki_Ganger posted... </cite><quote>I think I read somewhere before that Cameron wanted it to be a surprise, but the studio's marketing team vetoed him. Could have been another movie though.</quote>Just watched the commentary, and at the very least he conceded that there wasn't much they could do to hide it.As an aside, a crazy amount of stuff that I assumed was part of the CGI turned out to be practical, mostly from Stan Winston. I did spot the liquid mercury, but it all absolutely works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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