Current Events > Alabama not complying with the court's orders in a redistricting case they lost

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UnsteadyOwl
08/14/23 11:41:28 AM
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https://www.npr.org/2023/08/14/1193420289/alabama-congressional-districts-redistricting-map

In short, Alabama's district map was found to be illegal because it disenfranchised black voters. The ruling was upheld by the Supreme Court. They released a new map that doesn't abide by the guidelines the court set out and they want it to go to the Supreme Court again hoping they'll change their ruling.

Bringing an issue to the court over and over until you get the result you want is not how this is supposed to work and I don't know how far they'll even get with it.

I wonder if their plan isn't just to run out the clock, to drag the process out long enough that the old district map has to be used in 2024 because the new map isn't ready.

The state of Alabama is taking an unusual legal position as it heads into a closely watched court hearing this week about its congressional voting districts.

In June, Alabama lost at the U.S. Supreme Court. A majority of justices upheld a lower court's ruling that found the congressional map the state used in last year's midterm elections likely violated the landmark Voting Rights Act by diluting the power of Black voters.

The remedy the three-judge panel ordered was a new map with two districts where Black voters have a realistic opportunity of electing their preferred candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives. Because of how racially polarized voting is in Alabama, the panel said in each of those two districts, Black Alabamians will need to make up the majority of the voting-age population or "something quite close to it."

But there is only one majority-Black district in the new redistricting plan passed by the state's Republican-controlled legislature last month. In another district, Black Alabamians make up 39.9% of the voting-age population a share that, the map's challengers say, does not meet the court's requirements.

And for this week's court hearing before the panel, Alabama says it's not planning to put up a fight on those specific points.

After signing the contested map into law in July, Republican Gov. Kay Ivey issued a statement saying, "The Legislature knows our state, our people and our districts better than the federal courts or activist groups."

The moves are raising questions about whether the state intends to follow federal court orders and how much longer this redistricting lawsuit will be dragged out with next year's elections looming. The ultimate map used by Alabama where majority-Black districts are likely to elect Democrats and majority-white districts are likely to elect Republicans could help determine which major party wins the U.S. House.

Alabama has raised the possibility of appealing to the Supreme Court again

Ahead of this week's hearing, the state has been trying to get the three-judge panel to allow its attorneys to argue that the panel's earlier ruling that requires two opportunity districts for Black voters no longer applies.

But in court orders, the judges have repeatedly reminded Alabama: "We are not at square one in these cases."

Still, the state has signaled it's preparing to appeal to the Supreme Court any new ruling by the panel that does not allow it to use a congressional map with only one majority-Black voting district for the 2024 elections.

Republican state lawmakers in Alabama seem to think their new map can flip at least one Supreme Court justice's vote to get a different ruling from the high court, says Kareem Crayton, senior director for voting and representation at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University's law school.

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HeeathLivesOn
08/14/23 11:43:13 AM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
to drag the process out long enough that the old district map has to be used in 2024 because the new map isn't ready
Well, we already saw that plan in action in last year's elections
Not surprising they'll keep doing it until there are consequences for it.

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Sir_Will
08/14/23 11:59:53 AM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
I wonder if their plan isn't just to run out the clock, to drag the process out long enough that the old district map has to be used in 2024 because the new map isn't ready.
Correct. They must be stopped.

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Were_Wyrm
08/14/23 12:03:35 PM
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Fed just needs to tell them if they don't have valid districts, they don't get representatives.

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Unsuprised_Pika
08/14/23 12:05:37 PM
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Everyone who voted for the illegal map again should unironically face life in prison or worse.

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UnholyMudcrab
08/14/23 12:09:05 PM
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Hey look, it's exactly what I said was going to happen

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Kai_Laguna
08/14/23 12:10:19 PM
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It's considered contempt of court, so a fine and/or jail time.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
08/14/23 12:10:36 PM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Fed just needs to tell them if they don't have valid districts, they don't get representatives.
This does seem like the most straightforward punishment

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LightHawKnight
08/14/23 12:13:19 PM
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I still dont get why republicans are allowed to break the rules with just slaps on the wrists and when democrats do anything remotely bad, even if it is just a stupid joke, they get removed from office.

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Xenogears15
08/14/23 12:15:11 PM
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So pull federal funds when?

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UnfairRepresent
08/14/23 12:16:46 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
I still dont get why republicans are allowed to break the rules with just slaps on the wrists and when democrats do anything remotely bad, even if it is just a stupid joke, they get removed from office.
Because Republicans are sociopaths with no accountability or standards

Democrats have some base level of law and order and accountability.

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AlCalavicci
08/14/23 12:17:29 PM
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Would the new maps affect current Representatives in the House? Like would the House numbers change once they fix this, or does it have to wait until a later election cycle to take hold?

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Unknown5uspect
08/14/23 12:18:50 PM
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This kind of bullshit should be met with removal from public office and barring from ever holding office again tbh.

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voldothegr8
08/14/23 12:23:49 PM
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No, but pretty sure they can pull funding from the state.

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LightHawKnight
08/14/23 12:25:16 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Because Republicans are sociopaths with no accountability or standards

Democrats have some base level of law and order and accountability.

I dont get why the country is fine with that though.

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ablegator
08/14/23 12:28:55 PM
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so if this isnt resolved could this lead to 9 fewer electoral college votes in play and the possibility of the House choosing the president increased?

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GrandConjuraton
08/14/23 12:29:28 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
I dont get why the country is fine with that though.
"Owning the libs" is the only important thing to Repugs.

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CADE_FOSTER
08/14/23 1:03:27 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Hey look, it's exactly what I said was going to happen

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UnsteadyOwl
08/14/23 1:25:59 PM
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ablegator posted...
so if this isnt resolved could this lead to 9 fewer electoral college votes in play and the possibility of the House choosing the president increased?
No. What this could end up affecting is control of the House of Representatives. If Alabama is allowed to use one of these illegal maps that disenfranchises black voters it makes it easier for Republicans to retain control of the House.

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