Current Events > Homeless camps are now being cleared in california

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RuneterranSnap posted...

Make mental healthcare free for everyone, but ALSO create a reasonable, standardized pay for providers.

The problem with mental health care now is that most people only have access to absolute bare bones, because most providers have stopped taking state provided resources because they get paid so much better through other alternatives.

I'm struggling to get any therapy, and psychiatrists are all but impossible to access. If I want some modern care, like psilocybin? Good fucking luck, I'd basically have to pay out of pocket.

I could use some therapy myself but they want like $80+ a session and Im not having that. Plus with health insurance being way too high for something I rarely if not ever use it feels pointless to even have it if they dont cash me a check when its not used.

TonyKojima posted...

Thats simply not realistic. And saying stuff like this only serves to give the far right fascists ammo.

It's realistic and needs to happen. There is ZERO need to own a second home.

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I could use some therapy myself but they want like $80+ a session and Im not having that. Plus with health insurance being way too high for something I rarely if not ever use it feels pointless to even have it if they dont cash me a check when its not used.

Yup. $50 a session for me. It's absolutely backbreaking. I can't afford it but I can't afford to be without it as well. Psychiatry was even worse, it basically was like a monthly doctor's visit where I tell them "everything's fine and working" and I never once felt my psychiatrist did anything of use for me except write the prescription.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Yup. $50 a session for me. It's absolutely backbreaking. I can't afford it but I can't afford to be without it as well. Psychiatry was even worse, it basically was like a monthly doctor's visit where I tell them "everything's fine and working" and I never once felt my psychiatrist did anything of use for me except write the prescription.

Thats your typical psychiatrist too. They just look at your paper work and ask if the medication they prescribed is still working and then adjust it change it as needed. Theyre often cold about it too lol. Even $50 would be too much for me since thats $200 a month bill that I shouldnt have to cover and neither should you.

RuneterranSnap posted...

TBF, a big part of the issue is that Cali(and the west coast in general) are essentially serving as host for a huge portion of every other state's share of the problem. Be it states sending them over directly, encouraging it, or people doing it on their own for better laws and climates, homeless people are moving from across the country to the west.

We need a federal system to force each state to pay for their share of the problem. Make them pay more if their own homeless and addiction resources aren't up to snuff. Create an emergency fund to care for the ones in California. Encourage but don't force those from out of state to return home and create more support there.

This is a myth. I have posted evidence to debunk this several times on 261. Cali actually sends more homeless out of the state than they take in, including exporting homeless to Texas, Florida, and other blue states.

Research has shown the biggest reason for California's homeless issues are the housing market and the cost of living there.

Patriotwolf posted...

Research has shown the biggest reason for California's homeless issues are the housing market and the cost of living there.

Yep. Source for this is in post #44.

RuneterranSnap posted...

It's realistic and needs to happen. There is ZERO need to own a second home.

Thats not your decision to make unless its for yourself.

TonyKojima posted...

Thats not your decision to make unless its for yourself.

No, it definitely is. Fuck greedy people.

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Thats your typical psychiatrist too. They just look at your paper work and ask if the medication they prescribed is still working and then adjust it change it as needed. Theyre often cold about it too lol. Even $50 would be too much for me since thats $200 a month bill that I shouldnt have to cover and neither should you.

100%, I am fucking drowning and it's completely intentional.

RuneterranSnap posted...

No, it definitely is. Fuck greedy people.

100%, I am fucking drowning and it's completely intentional.

I am a staunch liberal and support renting and owning multiple homes. That doesn't make me greedy at all. And I even support gun ownership as I am a legal gun owner. Neither make me right wing at all. Sorry but your idea is not workable nor would it even be passed.

TonyKojima posted...

That doesn't make me greedy at all.

Yeah it does.

Let people own second homes and rentals if they want. Just build enough housing so being a landlord becomes less of a good investment.

Reduce the incentive for people to want to be landlords.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Yeah it does.

Not in the slightest.

TonyKojima posted...

Not in the slightest.

Considerinig you haven't given a SINGLE reason why you should be able to, while it's blatantly clear that the conversion of homes into rental properties is making it significantly harder for people to buy a home, says otherwise.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Considerinig you haven't given a SINGLE reason why you should be able to, while it's blatantly clear that the conversion of homes into rental properties is making it significantly harder for people to buy a home, says otherwise.

I owe no reason other than I could afford it.

TonyKojima posted...

I owe no reason other than I could afford it.

Yeah that's called greed.

Nope

Not up to you and you're done in this conversation.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Not up to you and you're done in this conversation.

Actually it is, if I so desired I could buy a second home today and there would be no restrictions.

DnDer posted...

And where would you have them go, Tone-dog? They have to go somewhere.

Apparently there's a certain section of people who are complaining work from home has left their buildings empty.

What do you expect the psychiatrist to do except ask you what your symptoms are and give you medicine to treat them?

As someone who actually was legit homeless.. I dont want homeless people anywhere around my home.

i would actually to house that had for sale signs on them and sleep in the back yard. Now imagine someone homeless thats hyped up on meth sleeping in your backyard?

Maybe there wouldn't be homeless people if we cured homelessness

But that's crazy

California is the land of plenty. They should use some of that surplus to build high rise apartments for the homeless that are totally free and covered.

AloneIBreak posted...

What do you expect the psychiatrist to do except ask you what your symptoms are and give you medicine to treat them?

I expect them to not try and gouge me with repeat useless meetings and actually get my prescription sent out correctly. This one failed both and now thinks they're going to get more money out of me, lol.

hockeybub89 posted...

Maybe there wouldn't be homeless people if we cured homelessness

But that's crazy

How?

Patriotwolf posted...

This is a myth. I have posted evidence to debunk this several times on 261. Cali actually sends more homeless out of the state than they take in, including exporting homeless to Texas, Florida, and other blue states.

Research has shown the biggest reason for California's homeless issues are the housing market and the cost of living there.

No you didn't.

Squall28 posted...

It's harder to be harder to be high and mighty when it actually means sacrifices on your end.

All these socialism guys will change their tune if it was their money the gov is taking not the rich. It's like you have two friends at your house, and one of the other friend keeps telling the other one to take more of your stuff. Easy to be generous when it's not your money.

Why would you take money from people who dont have much money when you could take it from people who have a lot of money?

Use your brain.

AceMos posted...

we could build houses for them

There's a tent city-to-tiny house program outside of... Portland, I think? (EDIT: Olympia, a whole state over) They were doing a test run of it a year or two ago.

NPR's "Outsiders" podcast covered the story of some people living there, and in the larger area.

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/795090517/outsiders

InfinityMonster posted...

The homeless issue is complicated. Many don't want the shelter because it has strict rules.

Punitive rules.

Things like throwing out all your old stuff, or not being allowed to take the pet you adopted that kept you sane or safe when you were on the streets.

It's hardly a foot-stomping tantrum that they just don't want to "have rules" they need to abide by.

emblem-man posted...

I'm saying we need to make housing cheaper. We make housing cheaper by loosening zoning and building restrictions that make it expensive to build housing, and then we build lots of housing.

People are homeless because housing is so limited and expensive. I'm saying we should fix that and reduce the risk of people becoming homeless in the first place.

We should also build public housing to serve the current homeless population so that they can get back on their feet, but as I mentioned above, communities end up pissing all over that idea, so we should just do it without asking for community input.
Community input is weirdly one of the things that makes housing expensive to build

Yes this

If you just say build homes for all the homeless then soon enough you're going to have everybody dropping their apartment they are renting at because if you're just homeless you'll get a home DUh

What do we do for the significant percentage that dont want housing?

GranTurismo posted...

have heard many others say that most homeless have severe mental health issues, would you agree with this?

"Would you agree to this?" is a sealion baiting question before someone launches into a gotcha. What was your goal in asking this?

Do you know how many mental health issues develop as a result of being homeless?

eggcorn posted...

Apparently there's a certain section of people who are complaining work from home has left their buildings empty.

Even a call center cube farm would be an upgrade from the streets. I'm down for confiscating unused commercial real estate.

WFH should be a standard for a lot of jobs, and this idea just makes it a twofer.

Noname12 posted...

What do we do for the significant percentage that dont want housing?

"Significant portion?" What data do you have backing that supposition up?

deoxxys posted...

Yes this

If you just say build homes for all the homeless then soon enough you're going to have everybody dropping their apartment they are renting at because if you're just homeless you'll get a home DUh

And nothing could be a bigger threat to America than everyone having a place to live!

Noname12 posted...

What do we do for the significant percentage that dont want housing?

It's not a significant percentage.

deoxxys posted...

Yes this

If you just say build homes for all the homeless then soon enough you're going to have everybody dropping their apartment they are renting at because if you're just homeless you'll get a home DUh

And what about maintenence? Who pays that?

deoxxys posted...

Yes this

If you just say build homes for all the homeless then soon enough you're going to have everybody dropping their apartment they are renting at because if you're just homeless you'll get a home DUh

Weird how in every single instance of housing being provided for the homeless this has never been an issue

Noname12 posted...

What do we do for the significant percentage that dont want housing?

"Significant"

"But if we build homes for the homeless then what about me? Do I have to just keep renting a shitty apartment? Why do they get to fail upwards?"

Or some dumb shit like that.

Will_VIIII posted...

No you didn't.

Yes I have. And other people have posted evidence in this very thread. You leave the thread every time I post it.

If i post it again, you close your account

Patriotwolf posted...

Yes I have. And other people have posted evidence in this very thread. You leave the thread every time I post it.

If i post it again, you close your account

Fight! Fight! Fight!

California has a high homeless population because it has high housing costs. It doesn't have more drug use or mental illness than other states, it has higher financial barriers to affording a house or an apartment for those who have come upon hard times.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Yup, same for Oregon and Washington, or at least it's a very reasonable expectation - it's a hard issue to get a real grasp on given the nature of the homeless population, but what we can learn seems to support that, though there's ALSO a significant portion of the population that is native - Cali is not innocent by any means.

This is false. There was a recent study that indicated that the vast majority of CA homeless population is from CA

AceMos posted...

we could build houses for them.

Or... YOU can build houses for them to enforce your own moral code.

Vicious_Dios posted...

Or... YOU can build houses for them to enforce your own moral code.

Or we can take your money and build houses with it. I like that idea better :)

RuneterranSnap posted...

Or we can take your money and build houses with it. I like that idea better :)

Good luck with that.

Vicious_Dios posted...

Good luck with that.

Nothing you can do to stop it :)

Lol theyre not taking that posters money

When I went to rehab there was a tent city right outside it. Two proved to be smart. They had Medicare Medicade whatever so one enters rehab the legit way the other just kinda snuck in and once discovered they didnr kick her our. They just had her enter rehab legitimately.

I remember the dude got on his high horse one day and pretty much told a bunch of people they where entitled as fuck complaining about this or that in rehab cause before he was sleeping on the ground couldn't shower and was lucky to get a decent meal.

Me only thing I bitched about was the place not being diabetic friendly which the place itself (or rather the staff) openly would admit to. Food was loaded with carbs and as someone who doesn't wanna drink just water all day my options on drinks where limited.

But anyways those homeless people outside didnr really bother us.

If anything since shelters tend to run full. Find a place you don't mind them congregating and tell them that's where they gotta do it. Be reasonable though and have it walking distance from places they can get food water etc.