Current Events > Wait there are still people that think SF6 Modern is stronger than classic?

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Like, every single character is explicitly worse on modern, but I guess some people can't get past the one button inputs. Losing access to more than half your moveset is so, so painful x.x

Currently the best Marisa in Japan (longtime SF pro Shuto) plays and prefers Modern for the character and Justin Wong has said Modern Ryu is better than Classic Ryu

Ruddager posted...

Currently the best Marisa in Japan (longtime SF pro Shuto) plays and prefers Modern for the character and Justin Wong has said Modern Ryu is better than Classic Ryu

Show me where modern has even been making a relevant showing in tournaments

Who said anything about tournaments though?

You said "every single character is explicitly worse on modern"

I'm just pointing out that there are legitimate long time series pro players who say that certain characters are better on Modern.

Modern is weaker. People prefer it because it's less work like when people throw aim assist on.

Ruddager posted...

Who said anything about tournaments though?

You said "every single character is explicitly worse on modern"

I'm just pointing out that there are legitimate long time series pro players who say that certain characters are better on Modern.

If they were better in modern we'd be seeing tournament results for them, especially given how huge consistency and execution are in tournament settings.

Irony posted...

Modern is weaker. People prefer it because it's less work like when people throw aim assist on.

Pretty much. It's an easy entry option that needs to be abandoned to truly be competitive.

Pokemon tiers shift years after the generation isn't even current anymore. Why do you think you're proving anything by talking about tournament play a month after release?

Something I found funny was, anyone who legitimately is salty about losing to Modern Control players are telling on themselves. How you gonna blame the control style when the player has far fewer options than you do? You simply got outplayed.

Ruddager posted...

Justin Wong has said Modern Ryu is better than Classic Ryu

Are there any specifics you can go into?

Spacing and reading your opponent are important, and that isn't determined by whether you're using Modern or Classic.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Spacing and reading your opponent are important, and that isn't determined by whether you're using Modern or Classic.

True but knowing how to use your options at the appropriate ranges also matters and that can create a divide between the usability of Modern or Classic.

THEORETICALLY the Classic player should be able to do better spacing and footsies but I don't feel like that's a sure thing in this day and age.

BurmesePenguin posted...

Pokemon tiers shift years after the generation isn't even current anymore. Why do you think you're proving anything by talking about tournament play a month after release?

Those tiers don't shift because things get better or because people understand how good they are, they shift because one thing becomes popular, so what it's strong against goes down and what it's weak against goes up. We'll see that with individual characters, but if Modern were stronger we should be seeing modern have notable success, but as far as I've seen Modern has rarely even shown up in pools, let alone top 8, and I've yet to see a modern player even get close to winning which we ABSOLUTELY would've seen by now if it wasn't significantly weaker.

Solid_Sonic posted...

True but knowing how to use your options at the appropriate ranges also matters and that can create a divide between the usability of Modern or Classic.

THEORETICALLY the Classic player should be able to do better spacing and footsies but I don't feel like that's a sure thing in this day and age.

The big thing is the lack of variations in moves and the smaller moveset. You have less things to use to bait expectations, and less options to exploit them. There's still a lot of room to work with of course, it's not like modern players can do no good.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Spacing and reading your opponent are important, and that isn't determined by whether you're using Modern or Classic.

This is just the tiers don't exist only skill matters argument. In a modern vs classic setup between 2 people of similar skill, modern is at a disadvantage because of the flat 20% damage decrease specials do and the fact that most (IDK about Rashid) characters have moves they straight up cannot use on modern.

If nothing else, I guess modern allows for faster reaction/execution time (pushing one button instead of a series of movements) and guarantees the move to come out (aka no "execution error/drops").

Pretty significant advantages to using modern, even for professionals.

Including tight crosscuts.

Im going to guess it is because you can react faster and counter stuff easier, which certain characters would excel at.

I imagine Ryu just plays keepaway most of the time.