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red13n
07/02/23 3:08:58 AM
#351:


I didn't spin anything. Those are facts on the board about how I thought the setup looked like yesterday. You are lying and saying I said you fit. Which you did, until we had a confirmed unlynchable. Isquen's flip makes your role stand out a fuckton more as the odd one out.

Hell I opened yesterday specifically information gathering about your mason claim. I sure as fuck am not doing that if I am 1000% confirmed on your alignment. And again, yes I thought wallz was the last scum, but I don't have a big enough ego that I don't have a contingency for...gasp, being wrong.


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red13n
07/02/23 3:10:48 AM
#352:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I'm pretty much tapped so you don't have to ask. Though armistice isn't fair under your terms because I am still a long way from sleeping. You will all likely be wide awake long before me.

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red13n
07/02/23 3:14:12 AM
#353:


Anyway Lea you played a good game.

I know where I errored as well. Started feeling myself from my reads when I was good(Turns out my reads are better when they arent pure depression cope induced enthusiasm, the games I was doing well in recently I was actually feeling good and it was real excitement). Ignored way too much the obvious setup flaws in front of us in favor of raw reads which aren't ever as reliably sound when stuff is sitting on the board. Setup meta has always been one of my consistent strengths and i just didn't sit down use my best skill to its fullest.

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red13n
07/02/23 5:24:41 AM
#354:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Also the one post I didn't respond to, because I find it interesting.

"I cant possibly reconcile your play this game with how you play as scum"

to just sitting their going "okay wallz I will entertain you lets just sit here, oh and btw please convince crescent". No pull for her own thoughts here.

Its such a blatantly scummy play.

"I am willing to discuss this with wallz", proceeds to do no practical discussing with wallz, just waiting for everyone else's wheels to turn.

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red13n
07/02/23 5:46:22 AM
#355:


Anyway Wallz, just to point out how you got played. I'm pulling the card one more time. Lea is a better player than you. She knows she is a better player than you. No one post-game is going to dispute this fact.

She shows up today apparently having convictions on who to lynch(Which, she showed up apparently convinced I was town and Crescent was scum) .She bails on those to entertain you, never gives you -any- push back. She clearly had reasons to think I was town, she backed down on those like a puppy immediately, to you, wallz, a player she -knows- shes better at this game than. She just sits there and is like "okay wallz convince crescent while I wait".

From my perspective, its a huge vibecheck fail. She showed her hand, being okay with both lynches. Could I have been wrong, sure, but she pretty much immediately reaffirmed my preferred lynch so I was 100% okay banking the game on it at that point. She came in looking like she was ready for fire on crescent and then showed she was perfectly happy snacking on red.

From your perspective wallz, you are like "oh great the good player is believing me yay reaffirm my values". Actual reality, you are the sucker not looking at the players actual goals for the day. She never tried to influence you, she wanted you to think you were pushing everyone else.

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red13n
07/02/23 5:56:45 AM
#356:


Also I'm not violating the armistice I technically didn't agree. Also your all probably going to be up for like 6 hours while I'm still sleeping. And my promise was I wasn't going to do any digging or bring up anything old. I did not.

Also I don't think I really brought up anything new, this is mostly a summary of events and perspective.

My hope is Crescent makes a choice and this is over one way or another before I wake up. Because while I definitely find moments like this fun, I have definitely been a huge ball of stress for the past however many hours(Personally I think having me in F3 is exciting. I hope the audience is entertained).

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 7:07:17 AM
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red13n posted...
Anyway Wallz, just to point out how you got played. I'm pulling the card one more time. Lea is a better player than you. She knows she is a better player than you. No one post-game is going to dispute this fact.

She shows up today apparently having convictions on who to lynch(Which, she showed up apparently convinced I was town and Crescent was scum) .She bails on those to entertain you, never gives you -any- push back. She clearly had reasons to think I was town, she backed down on those like a puppy immediately, to you, wallz, a player she -knows- shes better at this game than. She just sits there and is like "okay wallz convince crescent while I wait".

From my perspective, its a huge vibecheck fail. She showed her hand, being okay with both lynches. Could I have been wrong, sure, but she pretty much immediately reaffirmed my preferred lynch so I was 100% okay banking the game on it at that point. She came in looking like she was ready for fire on crescent and then showed she was perfectly happy snacking on red.

From your perspective wallz, you are like "oh great the good player is believing me yay reaffirm my values". Actual reality, you are the sucker not looking at the players actual goals for the day. She never tried to influence you, she wanted you to think you were pushing everyone else.

When did I ever say anything to the contrary? I know damn well that many players are better than me, Lea included. But in our last game (Fantasy Novel mafia) I correctly identified Dumey and MZero as scum, which no one else was calling for their heads like I was. Corrik called me town MVP. Not that I agree with him, but Im already capable of having a good game.

Regardless of whos scum, its not quite fair to say Lea showed up convinced you were town. Late yesterday she asked you when she went from confirmed town to behind me on your suspect list. And she said because of being sure crescent would vote her immediately, she should operate under the assumption youre town because otherwise the game would be over.

could it be a lot of bullshit? Absolutely yes. But youre not characterizing things quite right.

I pressed Lea harder than anyone this game. I presented really good reasoning for her potentially being scum. This f3 should never have happened but some people couldnt move past their initial reads of me. It is what it is.

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red13n
07/02/23 7:27:30 AM
#362:


wallmasterz posted...


Regardless of whos scum, its not quite fair to say Lea showed up convinced you were town.

I literally quoted the post where she did say just that. It was her opening post in fact.

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 7:28:56 AM
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Its also weird to say I would never vote sbell as a scummate, not even in the joke phase, because everyone knows sbell cracks under pressure, even in the joke phase then *sbell under pressure happens* and Crescent saw for herself how that looked, yet not a peep out of red about it. If sbell as pressured scum is so obvious as red claims, I dont understand why red didnt pick up on it, there were many posts about it.

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 7:32:03 AM
#364:


red13n posted...
I literally quoted the post where she did say just that. It was her opening post in fact.

Yeah, her opening post isnt my favorite either. But she doesnt say red I am so sure youre town. She said red, crescent is gonna show up and instantly vote me so if youre scum Im screwed, therefore I have to hope youre town, otherwise the game will be over.

Its ok to not like the post, Im just correcting a mischaracterization by you, intentional or not, town or scum.

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:33:10 AM
#365:


wallmasterz posted...
Yeah, her opening post isnt my favorite either. But she doesnt say red I am so sure youre town. She said red, crescent is gonna show up and instantly vote me so if youre scum Im screwed, therefore I have to hope youre town, otherwise the game will be over.

Its ok to not like the post, Im just correcting a mischaracterization by you, intentional or not, town or scum.
No, she went further than that.
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wallmasterz
07/02/23 7:33:46 AM
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Leafeon13N posted...
No, she went further than that.

Maybe youre right - show me where.

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:34:08 AM
#368:


I ultimately could not reconcile your play this game with what I know of how you play scum. That's why I could never bring myself to pursue you in earnest.
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wallmasterz
07/02/23 7:37:51 AM
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Red thats Lea saying why she didnt pursue you during the game. Not saying yo its final 3 and theres zero doubt in my mind red is town.

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:39:52 AM
#371:


She says she is prepared to make her case against crescent. Has over 20 minutes free to advocate or even show she intends to advocate for this position.

Says nothing, because she knows if you pull crescent to me the game is over.

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:40:29 AM
#372:


wallmasterz posted...
Red thats Lea saying why she didnt pursue you during the game. Not saying yo its final 3 and theres zero doubt in my mind red is town.
The word ultimately wallz. That word is pretty damn final
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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:43:55 AM
#374:


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You literally talk about how you wanted to kill crescent first yesterday. Your position was very clear.
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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:45:20 AM
#375:


I feel as though I was very close to figuring things out yesterday, and that if Wallz had been willing to lynch Crescent instead of committing suicide we may very well have won yesterday.
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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 7:47:37 AM
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I passed out did this really never stop

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

This is true. I spent a while waiting to see if Red was gonna say anything about that post.

Though the issue with scum PGO and your claim is that's a lotta town dying targeting scum.

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:48:56 AM
#379:


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I really didn't. I was doing due diligence responding to things being posted. Then you checked a box by making it very clear that you were interesting in throwing shade my way while thus far in the day being hands off with crescent aside an opening post that you backed down from rather quickly.
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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 7:51:46 AM
#380:


Also Lea no

Peaf targeted Red first

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:53:06 AM
#382:


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You changed on a whim after being able to stew on the outcome for what. 48 hours? Wallz lynch was set early. I used the time and the day to make it clear where i stood if wallz flipped town.

You dont have any new info. You had as much time as i to plan for a potential town flip from wallz. Then with all that time you show up, appearing to have conviction, then conveniently you just...dont. yeah.
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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 7:54:29 AM
#383:


Anyways. I am falling asleep while typing, you two have fun. Good luck Crescent.
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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 7:58:03 AM
#384:


He is right on one thing though, you pretty clearly said you made a scum case on me and were planning to show it to Red.

What happened to this? Red didn't vote you until 53 minutes after the day started.


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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:00:50 AM
#386:


At least scum had an excuse for lynching Wall yesterday

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 8:07:06 AM
#388:


Red, why didnt you notice how sbell was being? Why didnt it raise red flags for you? He was clearly panicky

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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:09:47 AM
#390:


I wouldn't say he was panicky.. I would say he looked like he never gave a single shit who we lynched.. Which is worse

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 8:10:31 AM
#391:


Respectfully crescent, your day 1 skimming isnt a huge asset on this topic

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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:12:10 AM
#393:


wallmasterz posted...
Respectfully crescent, your day 1 skimming isnt a huge asset on this topic
Oh you mean day 1 I was talking day 2

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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:13:40 AM
#394:


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SBell never even tried to scumhunt at any point on day 2 and it's the primary thing that drew me at him.

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 8:14:20 AM
#395:


Crescent-Moon posted...
SBell never even tried to scumhunt at any point on day 2 and it's the primary thing that drew me at him.

to be fair, neither did red lol

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 8:15:08 AM
#396:


wallmasterz posted...
Red, why didnt you notice how sbell was being? Why didnt it raise red flags for you? He was clearly panicky
Pretty sure i mentioned at some point that i was fine with an sbell lynch.

If your wondering why i never voted him, the answer was i was at work.

Beyond that, i wasn't really here for a lot of d2. I gave some tolen activity but the pushed up day was particularly inconvenient.
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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:16:17 AM
#397:


Red and Lea both made up the backbone of two countertrains to SBell, though in both cases Red had the worse vote

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wallmasterz
07/02/23 8:16:33 AM
#398:


Panicky day 1 sbell

2.038 (Sbell) - The defensiveness was because igcd said his vote. HIS VOTE was serious.

does no one get that?

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Leafeon13N
07/02/23 8:16:42 AM
#399:


I was immediately in a position day 2 where i woke up to surprise day 1 ended and day 2 starts in a few hours.

I've said it a few times but i was more than a little unhappy with that outcome.
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Crescent-Moon
07/02/23 8:17:13 AM
#400:


Leafeon13N posted...
Pretty sure i mentioned at some point that i was fine with an sbell lynch.

If your wondering why i never voted him, the answer was i was at work.

Beyond that, i wasn't really here for a lot of d2. I gave some tolen activity but the pushed up day was particularly inconvenient.
You said you could be persuaded to lynch him.

You then noped and voted Wall.

You never spoke of SBell again until end of day.

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