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TMOG
06/16/23 2:04:41 PM
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manages to gather the Dragon Balls and wish all the aliens away from Earth forever, then they start their master plan to conquer it.

This is a villain who recognizes that every time somebody tries to do an evil scheme, a bunch of aliens show up to save the world. So he puts on his red hat, gathers the Dragon Balls, and wishes that they "go back home and can't come back."

As a result the Dragon Balls themselves are no longer in the picture, since Dende is forced off the planet as well. None of the Z Fighters who have even a little bit of alien blood are around to fight. Goku and Vegeta are trying to get Beerus to help get them back to Earth, but he's asleep.

It's down to Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, Androids 17 and 18, Videl, Mr. Satan, and Master Roshi to fight this threat. Bulma can provide some tech-based support, maybe get Pilaf's gang to pilot some mechs.

Meanwhile, the non-human Z Fighters are trying to gather another set of Dragon Balls from another planet so they can undo the villain's wish and go back home.
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FolkenRawr
06/16/23 2:05:45 PM
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I'd watch that tbh.

Do hybrids count as aliens?

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:06:05 PM
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FolkenRawr posted...
I'd watch that tbh.

Do hybrids count as aliens?
Yes
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MICHALECOLE
06/16/23 2:06:43 PM
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Wtf even are tien and Chiaotzu
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mystic_belmont
06/16/23 2:07:12 PM
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I think it'd be great, I'd watch it.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:07:16 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Wtf even are tien and Chiaotzu
A guy with three eyes and a little psychic man
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Foppe
06/16/23 2:07:46 PM
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Instant transmission to Namek, use Dragon Balls to undo wish.

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EyeWontBeFooled
06/16/23 2:08:19 PM
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FolkenRawr posted...
I'd watch that tbh.



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ANort175
06/16/23 2:09:03 PM
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Foppe posted...
Instant transmission to Namek, use Dragon Balls to undo wish.
"Also no take-backs on this wish, haha suck it monkies"

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:09:16 PM
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Foppe posted...
Instant transmission to Namek, use Dragon Balls to undo wish.
"Sorry we just used ours to wish for a big screen plasma TV :( "
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Kami_no_Kami
06/16/23 2:09:42 PM
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Ultra Instinct Roshi solos
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ArtiRock
06/16/23 2:09:53 PM
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That would be an interesting saga. I think the best way to fix things would have been to just ended with the current cast, time jump, and then just make everyone scale better from there. It sucks so much that so much of the cast isn't viable for fights. Not just "unlikely to win" not "must fight in pairs," but just straight up "can't do any damage to their opponents."

The issue was that in OG DB, Goku was stronger, but most of it was because he actually legitimately did train harder than everyone else.

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mystic_belmont
06/16/23 2:10:09 PM
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Would the dragon balls go with Dende?

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Enclave
06/16/23 2:10:35 PM
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The wish phrased like that would backfire since Gohan would still be there. He was born on Earth, his home is Earth, he has nowhere else to go and he also identifies as a human. Whoever makes the wish would have to be very careful with how they make the wish if they want Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Pan to be expelled from the planet.

That said, even if it did somehow work? 17 would handle it, he's become stupidly powerful in Super.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:10:56 PM
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mystic_belmont posted...
Would the dragon balls go with Dende?

TMOG posted...
As a result the Dragon Balls themselves are no longer in the picture, since Dende is forced off the planet as well.

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FolkenRawr
06/16/23 2:14:02 PM
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Enclave posted...
The wish phrased like that would backfire since Gohan would still be there. He was born on Earth, his home is Earth, he has nowhere else to go and he also identifies as a human. Whoever makes the wish would have to be very careful with how they make the wish if they want Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Pan to be expelled from the planet.

That said, even if it did somehow work? 17 would handle it, he's become stupidly powerful in Super.

Oh right. Being a ranger made him SSB level. Because, yknow, reasons.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:15:33 PM
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Enclave posted...
The wish phrased like that would backfire since Gohan would still be there. He was born on Earth, his home is Earth, he has nowhere else to go and he also identifies as a human. Whoever makes the wish would have to be very careful with how they make the wish if they want Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Pan to be expelled from the planet.
Good point

He just simplifies it to "send them to space" instead

Enclave posted...
That said, even if it did somehow work? 17 would handle it, he's become stupidly powerful in Super.
Yeah but that was what, two or three arcs ago? He's basically useless now with how absurd Super's power scaling is lmao
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VeggetaX
06/16/23 2:15:47 PM
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We've seen this kinda story over and over again. The jobbers have to initially fight the big baddie and all gets their butts kicked until the strong MCs find a way to get there and save the day.

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Foppe
06/16/23 2:17:18 PM
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Future Trunks appears with his time machine, and they go back in time and wish for a pair of panties instead.

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Touch
06/16/23 2:18:38 PM
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Super Human God Yajirobe solos

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ArtiRock
06/16/23 2:20:44 PM
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FolkenRawr posted...
Oh right. Being a ranger made him SSB level. Because, yknow, reasons.
At least they showed how though, if he was fighting crazy aliens and stuff like that constantly, I could see him picking up some new tricks.

I actually don't have a problem with 17 getting stronger with training. He was already stronger than Super Saiyan at the time, so him having from the time of the revival from Cell to post Goku Black seems fairly reasonable for an amount of strength to get. It's certainly less than Goku's and Vegeta's, but still allows him to actually keep up.

To be honest, the only way they could truly fix the power gap is if they stopped relying on transformations for things, and instead made people have to learn techniques to win. Like they need to hard cap Goku, and if they make him get a new transformation, it now just does different things rather than a power boost. Like legitimately, when was the last time Goku actually learned a technique instead of just a power-up transformation?

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Gobstoppers12
06/16/23 2:21:51 PM
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Things like instant transmission, King Kai's telepathy/omni-awareness, and Whis' well... everything... make this pretty much a non issue.

Plus they'd have to use the Super dragon balls to accomplish this, because they're the only ones shown thus far to work on strong characters against their will.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:23:30 PM
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ArtiRock posted...
Like legitimately, when was the last time Goku actually learned a technique instead of just a power-up transformation?
He learned how to do a Susanoo while fighting Moro
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Raikuro
06/16/23 2:23:51 PM
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Plot twist: all humans turn out to have DNA that didn't originate on earth and get sent to Planet Human and learn from their ancestors to go beyond Saiyan power
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TMOG
06/16/23 2:25:38 PM
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TMOG posted...
"Sorry we just used ours to wish for a big screen plasma TV :( "

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Enclave
06/16/23 2:27:16 PM
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Bit off topic but I really wish Roshi had taught Krillin how to do the Max Power transformation and maybe have had Goku teach him Kaioken.

Toriyama could have made Krillin relevant throughout the series if he'd done that.

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A_Good_Boy
06/16/23 2:36:55 PM
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That wish would never work because all of those aliens are stronger than Shenron and they wouldn't leave the Earth without consent.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:39:19 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That wish would never work because all of those aliens are stronger than Shenron and they wouldn't leave the Earth without consent.
He uses his first wish to make Shenron more powerful
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Requiem
06/16/23 2:42:04 PM
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Without the "power inflation" leaving behind many characters, though, you run into "One Piece" problem of having too many cast members that the author needs to write / provide scenes for.

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A_Good_Boy
06/16/23 2:42:29 PM
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TMOG posted...
He uses his first wish to make Shenron more powerful
I don't think you can make wishes that affect the dragon itself. When the Earthlings noticed the limitations of their dragon Dende had to make a whole new one while using the Earth dragon as a base, they didn't just wish for a new dragon.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:47:38 PM
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Requiem posted...
Without the "power inflation" leaving behind many characters, though, you run into "One Piece" problem of having too many cast members that the author needs to write / provide scenes for.
So what you're saying is that it would make Dragon Ball into a much better series
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Enclave
06/16/23 2:48:36 PM
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TMOG posted...
He uses his first wish to make Shenron more powerful

Wouldn't work, the wish would have to be made with the Super Dragon Balls.

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EyeWontBeFooled
06/16/23 2:49:38 PM
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TMOG posted...
"Sorry we just used ours to wish for a big screen plasma TV :( "
*energy blasts TV*

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That was a 70" Plasma TV

...so, what can I do to help you!?

I love Hellsing Ultimate Abridged lmao

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A_Good_Boy
06/16/23 2:51:38 PM
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TMOG posted...
So what you're saying is that it would make Dragon Ball into a much better series
The issue with that is the series is still being written/overseen by AT, and he's a shitty writer and can't keep up with his own cast of characters like Oda can.

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mach25687
06/16/23 2:55:37 PM
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Wouldn't mind any arc where the humans and Piccolo are the ones to stop the big bad.

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Enclave
06/16/23 2:56:21 PM
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Eh, Daizenshuu isn't really particularly canon. We don't actually have any canon statement that he's an alien. He's kinda irrelevant anyways at this point, wasn't even relevant enough to join the Tournament of Power.

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TMOG
06/16/23 2:57:19 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Was that ever actually established in canon, or just video games?
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TMOG
06/16/23 2:59:19 PM
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Enclave posted...
wasn't even relevant enough to join the Tournament of Power.
Tien did join the Tournament of Power though

You're either thinking of Yamcha or you're thinking of the wrong Super tournament
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Zikten
06/16/23 3:00:14 PM
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Would be fun but Toriyama will never do it. He is obsessed with Sayians
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Enclave
06/16/23 3:01:17 PM
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TMOG posted...
Tien did join the Tournament of Power though

You're either thinking of Yamcha or you're thinking of the wrong Super tournament

I forgot since he got eliminated so early :P

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Ratchetrockon
06/16/23 3:04:19 PM
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Yamcha redemption arc

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jumi
06/16/23 3:06:26 PM
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TMOG posted...
manages to gather the Dragon Balls and wish all the aliens away from Earth forever, then they start their master plan to conquer it.

This is a villain who recognizes that every time somebody tries to do an evil scheme, a bunch of aliens show up to save the world. So he puts on his red hat, gathers the Dragon Balls, and wishes that they "go back home and can't come back."

As a result the Dragon Balls themselves are no longer in the picture, since Dende is forced off the planet as well. None of the Z Fighters who have even a little bit of alien blood are around to fight. Goku and Vegeta are trying to get Beerus to help get them back to Earth, but he's asleep.

It's down to Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, Androids 17 and 18, Videl, Mr. Satan, and Master Roshi to fight this threat. Bulma can provide some tech-based support, maybe get Pilaf's gang to pilot some mechs.

Meanwhile, the non-human Z Fighters are trying to gather another set of Dragon Balls from another planet so they can undo the villain's wish and go back home.

Then Gohan, 17, and 18 curb stomp his ass.

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Zikten
06/16/23 3:06:47 PM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
Yamcha redemption arc
Yamcha stumbles onto a power up that surpasses Goku and Beerus and then saves the universe
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Tom_Joad
06/16/23 3:10:05 PM
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ANort175 posted...
"Also no take-backs on this wish, haha suck it monkies"

"I wish we were all 1 mm above Earth."

Problem solved. After all, they didn't wish to return to Earth, but a space above the planet.

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Imit8m3
06/16/23 3:12:55 PM
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Prismsblade
06/16/23 3:20:33 PM
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This wouldn't even be necessary if the writers would just buff the damn humans. But the toriyama seems to have a bias towards them for whatever reason.

The anime at least tries to treat them decently by comparison.

Hell idk why hybrids are even even implied to be stronger when humans offer no genetic advantages whatsoever.

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