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CedarPointcp
06/11/23 9:28:08 PM
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iirc trump is adamantly against this tax. Any of you live in a country which does not have it? iirc china is one country which does not have it
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CaptainStrong
06/11/23 9:39:55 PM
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I want the threshold for the estate tax to be lowered. $12 million is way too high.
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Skankhair
06/11/23 9:42:43 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
I want the threshold for the estate tax to be lowered. $12 million is way too high.

This.
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CedarPointcp
06/11/23 9:44:09 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
I want the threshold for the estate tax to be lowered. $12 million is way too high.
to what? and what do you think the taxation rate should be?
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UnsteadyOwl
06/11/23 9:51:14 PM
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It depends on whether there's an inheritance tax and what that tax is. I generally prefer an inheritance tax (tax levied on the person who receives an inheritance) vs an estate tax (tax levied on the estate of the deceased). But at least one of the two should be in place and anything over a few million should be taxed at a very high rate.

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Intro2Logic
06/11/23 9:54:10 PM
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Why would I want that?

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Bass
06/11/23 9:55:31 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
I want the threshold for the estate tax to be lowered. $12 million is way too high.


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CoyoteTheGreat
06/11/23 9:57:23 PM
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The estate tax needs to be much, much higher, while the threshhold is lowered. If fail children can't survive on all the nepotism jobs they've been given, then fuck them.

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mozing
06/11/23 10:00:58 PM
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I don't see the point of estate tax, you already pay taxes your whole life, why should your assets get taxed before being transferred as you deemed fit? Trump is a bafoon but hes right about estate tax. It's just another way for the government to dip their hand in your personal cookie jar.

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ThePieReborn
06/11/23 10:03:34 PM
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From someone who spent half his law school career studying taxes: lol no.

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Questionmarktarius
06/11/23 10:04:41 PM
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You think they're not going to find ways to weasel out of estate taxes?
All this does is fuck over family farms that are "worth" 12 million but have been barely solvent for decades.
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CedarPointcp
06/11/23 10:05:41 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
From someone who spent half his law school career studying taxes: lol no.
why? what did law school teach you about this? And, for those of you that want the threshold lowered, to what?
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froghunter75
06/11/23 10:06:35 PM
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mozing posted...
I don't see the point of estate tax, you already pay taxes your whole life, why should your assets get taxed before being transferred as you deemed fit? Trump is a bafoon but hes right about estate tax. It's just another way for the government to dip their hand in your personal cookie jar.

It's not your personal cookie jar, it belonged to whoever died.

But yeah I think the threshold should be lower and the amount taken higher

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CaptainStrong
06/11/23 10:11:44 PM
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CedarPointcp posted...
to what? and what do you think the taxation rate should be?
$500,000. 60%.
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Questionmarktarius
06/11/23 10:13:27 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
$500,000. 60%.
That's pretty much anyone who owns a house.
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CedarPointcp
06/11/23 10:14:32 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
$500,000. 60%.
it's mostly people railing against all the billionaires and what they leave to their children , but that amount is like a fraction of 1 percent of any billionaire isn't it?
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CaptainStrong
06/11/23 10:15:26 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
That's pretty much anyone who owns a house.
Good.
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IronTusk
06/11/23 10:19:13 PM
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The estate tax should be 100% of inherited wealth after $10M in today's dollars.

Multi-generational wealth is some monarchist nonsense. Why should kids with rich parents get even more of an advantage than they already do.
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ThePieReborn
06/11/23 10:22:28 PM
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CedarPointcp posted...
why? what did law school teach you about this? And, for those of you that want the threshold lowered, to what?
Because there's an entire segment of my profession who dedicate their careers to concocting mechanisms to evade the estate tax, my side-hustle included. Trusts, segmented gifting, the fundamentals of establishing a property's basis. All of these things work to limit the actual amount of taxable value in an estate, regardless of what its actual present value is.

Notwithstanding the fact of the gift and estate tax's existence, there are so many mechanisms in favor of the taxpayer that the tax is essentially toothless to 95% of the 1% that are actually obliged to pay the tax.

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CedarPointcp
06/11/23 10:31:36 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Because there's an entire segment of my profession who dedicate their careers to concocting mechanisms to evade the estate tax, my side-hustle included. Trusts, segmented gifting, the fundamentals of establishing a property's basis. All of these things work to limit the actual amount of taxable value in an estate, regardless of what its actual present value is.

Notwithstanding the fact of the gift and estate tax's existence, there are so many mechanisms in favor of the taxpayer that the tax is essentially toothless to 95% of the 1% that are actually obliged to pay the tax.
oh, you think most billionaires shirk the tax, but you would never want it repealed?
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ThePieReborn
06/11/23 10:35:30 PM
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I think it needs its teeth back, but the current whinging about its abolishment comes from a nonsensical place from people who will never be impacted because they're fucking idiots.

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Questionmarktarius
06/11/23 10:43:31 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
I think it needs its teeth back, but the current whinging about its abolishment comes from a nonsensical place from people who will never be impacted because they're fucking idiots.
"I can't have an opinion on this, because it doesn't apply to me"

IronTusk posted...
Multi-generational wealth is some monarchist nonsense. Why should kids with rich parents get even more of an advantage than they already do.
CaptainStrong posted...
Good.
Found the communists.
Clearly, you want everyone in poverty, since generational wealth is the most effective means of avoiding poverty.
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PepsiWithCoke
06/11/23 10:45:30 PM
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Any estate left in excess of a modestly priced home and car should be taxed at 90%+.

"Generational Wealth" should not be a thing.

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emblem-man
06/11/23 10:50:02 PM
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mozing posted...
I don't see the point of estate tax, you already pay taxes your whole life, why should your assets get taxed before being transferred as you deemed fit? Trump is a bafoon but hes right about estate tax. It's just another way for the government to dip their hand in your personal cookie jar.

You should be against sales tax and many other taxes as well if you're gonna go the "it's double taxation" route. But maybe you are against those also

If someone gains a 10 million from a family member dying, they are receiving money. Why should it not be taxed like any other time they receive income?

People have emotional reasons for not liking an inheritance tax. I get that. So, I'm fine with their being a threshold before it's applied. I just think the threshold should be lowered

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IronTusk
06/11/23 10:51:11 PM
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"Clearly, you want everyone in poverty, since generational wealth is the most effective means of avoiding poverty."

Citation needed.
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ChocoboMogALT
06/11/23 10:53:08 PM
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Not what I expected, ngl.

Questionmarktarius posted...
You think they're not going to find ways to weasel out of estate taxes?
All this does is fuck over family farms that are "worth" 12 million but have been barely solvent for decades.
So exempt farms, easypeasy.

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OzNarcissus
06/11/23 10:56:10 PM
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Anything Trump doesn't want, it is safe to assume that they are good for society.

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Questionmarktarius
06/11/23 10:56:28 PM
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IronTusk posted...
Citation needed.

https://givingcompass.org/article/building-generational-wealth-to-end-child-poverty
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023119831799
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/06/racial-wealth-gap-may-be-a-key-to-other-inequities/

ChocoboMogALT posted...
So exempt farms, easypeasy.
Soon:
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IronTusk
06/11/23 11:05:15 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
https://givingcompass.org/article/building-generational-wealth-to-end-child-poverty
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023119831799
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/06/racial-wealth-gap-may-be-a-key-to-other-inequities/


These are arguments against snowballing historical wealth inequality (most notably across race), which generational wealth perpetuates. Money is a finite resource. If there's no redistribution through taxation the rich will continue to hoard it at the expense of the poor.
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Trumble
06/11/23 11:12:40 PM
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There should be a reasonable tax-free amount, but it should definitely be taxed beyond a point. Not entirely sure what that point should be.

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TheMikh
06/11/23 11:27:50 PM
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IronTusk posted...
Money is a finite resource. If there's no redistribution through taxation the rich will continue to hoard it at the expense of the poor.
if only that was how money, net worth, and economic inequality actually worked

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emblem-man
06/11/23 11:30:25 PM
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IronTusk posted...
These are arguments against snowballing historical wealth inequality (most notably across race), which generational wealth perpetuates. Money is a finite resource. If there's no redistribution through taxation the rich will continue to hoard it at the expense of the poor.

Economics and the global markets isn't really a zero sum thing

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