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deathproof12
06/07/23 11:40:26 AM
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Most of them have terrible stats, terrible movepools and just suck in general
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Ludwig_Von_2
06/07/23 11:41:06 AM
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Luigia would like a word with you.

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CRON
06/07/23 11:41:53 AM
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deathproof12 posted...
Most of them have terrible stats, terrible movepools
Pokemon is about the broad experience of discovering and catching cute and cool looking creatures and not giving an excessive shit about stats on the granular level.


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GF_Psyduck
06/07/23 11:42:26 AM
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SkarmBliss was goat in gen 3-4, even if it's outclassed today it was a staple at the time. Pretty sure Tyranitar sees heavy usage as well.
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deathproof12
06/07/23 11:42:39 AM
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CRON posted...
Pokemon is about the broad experience of discovering and catching cute and cool looking creatures and not giving an excessive shit about stats on the granular level.

Why does nobody use Luvdisc then?
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Wandering__Hero
06/07/23 11:43:11 AM
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Smeargle is fantastic if awkard to use.

Skarmony and Blissey were among the best OU pokemon for several generations. I think they were the best in gen 2.

Tyranitar was great despite its crappy typing before power creep hit it.

Heracross used to be pretty cool.

Suicine and Raikou were OU mainstays before, once again power creep got em. Dunno what they were thinking with Entei though.

ANd Lugia and Ho-oh.. tough tbh Ho-oh was always one of the worst ubers, it feels more like OU-BL than ubers

Though I do agree there's a lot of crap this generation and it seemed to have some wierd reverse power creep.

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TMOG
06/07/23 11:43:46 AM
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How dare you fuckle with Shuckle
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Raikuro
06/07/23 11:44:17 AM
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80% of all Pokemon only exist as crappy stepping stones towards good pokemon.
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DementedDurian
06/07/23 11:44:42 AM
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Ampharos is still pretty solid. Good in Trick Room and a solid check to Palafin with Cotton Guard and Electric-Type moves.

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wackyteen
06/07/23 11:46:36 AM
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But Furret is a top tier pokemon

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DementedDurian
06/07/23 11:47:23 AM
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deathproof12 posted...
Why does nobody use Luvdisc then?

I considered one in Scarlet/Violet.

It would use Baby-Doll Eyes on a Eject Pack Palafin and then use Aqua Jet on a Weakness Policy Coalossal. Focus Sash and Grass-Tera just in case to get the job done.

Only...they removed all of Luvdisc's Egg Moves for some reason...

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MC_BatCommander
06/07/23 11:47:38 AM
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Gen 2 locking its coolest new Pokemon (Houndour) behind the post game was such a scumbag move. That little fucker should've been available by badge 2 at the latest

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wackyteen
06/07/23 11:49:44 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Gen 2 locking its coolest new Pokemon (Houndour) behind the post game was such a scumbag move. That little fucker should've been available by badge 2 at the latest
Gen 2 had so many mind boggling, awful design choices. I get that it was rushed and essentially dragged to the finish line but even Crystal didn't fix the fundamental issues that G/S had

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EyeWontBeFooled
06/07/23 11:50:03 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Gen 2 locking its coolest new Pokemon (Houndour) behind the post game was such a scumbag move. That little fucker should've been available by badge 2 at the latest
Facts

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MedeaLysistrata
06/07/23 11:52:40 AM
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i play alone

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firedoom666
06/07/23 11:57:09 AM
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Delibird is my absolute favorite pokemon... but yeah it is hard to find something worse if you are into competitive battles

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LordFarquad1312
06/07/23 12:03:17 PM
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Shut your ***** mouth! How dare you diss my boys Cyndaquil and their line, Tyranitar, Lugia, the dogs, Noctowl, Wobbuffet, Corsola, Umbreon, Kingdra, Lanturn?!

Kids these days, jeez!

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BurmesePenguin
06/07/23 12:04:00 PM
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Gen 2 was the best gen, sorry TC.

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deathproof12
06/07/23 12:08:45 PM
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firedoom666 posted...
Delibird is my absolute favorite pokemon... but yeah it is hard to find something worse if you are into competitive battles

Gen 9 made Delibird into one of the most busted Pokemon in the game. Can two shot almost everything with two moves.
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TheHoldSteady
06/07/23 12:12:17 PM
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Gen 2 has just as many good mons as other gens did.

Blissey, Skarmory, and Tyranitar have all taken hits in viability because of the power creep, but are still somewhat decent in competitive play even 20+ years after their release.

Heracross, Steelix, Umbreon, Espeon, Raikou, and Suicune were all decent for their generation. They eventually fell victim to the power creep, but are all still usable in lower tiers today.

Miltank was solid for its time and even OU in GSC. But again, power creep got it


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ai123
06/07/23 12:14:27 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Gen 2 was the best gen, sorry TC.


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Jshipp24
06/07/23 2:17:53 PM
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No one mentioning Porygon 2, thing was a monster when eviolite was introduced. Like all gens there's some good and some bad. Gen 2 is a little special due to the amount added and it being more of a extension of gen 1 then its own thing but still some good competitive Pokemon added.

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Dakimakura
06/07/23 2:18:40 PM
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Miltank is the best Pokemon

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Wandering__Hero
06/07/23 2:28:00 PM
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^ Miltank was always a crap version of Snorlax. I dont care how hard WHitney is

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IceCreamOnStero
06/07/23 2:29:01 PM
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A lot of gen 2 comes across as unfinished.

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ellis123
06/07/23 2:30:38 PM
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Dang.

You're bad enough that Pokemonexpert might actually 6-0 you, TC.

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KhlavicLanguage
06/07/23 2:33:38 PM
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the atmosphere/music/location of gen 2 was its real strength imo. going from hyper-urban gen 1 to the more relaxed and cultural areas of gen 2 was really cool.

gbc-era pokemon had this cool cyberpunk akira-esque slant to it. the mafia gangs, the high-tech stuff like storing animals as computer data, a pokemon made entirely from programming, the whole thing with mewtwo, literal psychics running around etc. they seemed to not lean into this nearly as much from gen 3 onward. shame.
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ellis123
06/07/23 2:35:33 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
they seemed to not lean into this nearly as much from gen 3 onward. shame.
Besides Gen 4-6, of course.

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KhlavicLanguage
06/07/23 2:36:47 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Besides Gen 4-6, of course.
no not really, the series turned into an arms race of how much more reality-bending the legendaries of each gen could be
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Choco
06/07/23 2:38:32 PM
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what a dumb fucking cringe topic. close your account

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ellis123
06/07/23 2:38:47 PM
#31:


KhlavicLanguage posted...
no not really, the series turned into an arms race of how much more reality-bending the legendaries of each gen could be
Ah, the Mewtwo effect.

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TaylorHeinicke
06/07/23 2:39:20 PM
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Where my Ledian squad at

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deoxxys
06/07/23 2:53:40 PM
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Sheer force Feraligator is pretty good. Blissey is still great. Skarmory still pretty great if you want a physical defense wall you can set up hazards and phase Pokmon out. Choice band tyranitar is still used and any Pokmon that can set up stealth Rock is still useful as well as having a weather and amazing special defense.

Suicune is God tier with Max health , max defense, calm mind, rest sleep talk and scald. He can't get statused, has amazing bulk, typing and he can burn the opponent as well as pressure stall. But knowing game freak they take away scald from him if you could get him.

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Hambo
06/07/23 3:11:57 PM
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Gen 2 gave us smeargle, houndoom, and ho-oh. Caring about stats is for nerds. The important thing is that I can fly across the country on my dog.

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random_man9119
06/07/23 3:20:16 PM
#35:


deoxxys posted...
Suicune is God tier with Max health , max defense, calm mind, rest sleep talk and scald. He can't get statused, has amazing bulk, typing and he can burn the opponent as well as pressure stall. But knowing game freak they take away scald from him if you could get him.

For Gen 9, they took Scald away from everyone except Volcanion... Which they made a second signature move for some reason... Even though his signature was already a move powerful, less accurate Scald...

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deoxxys
06/07/23 3:24:05 PM
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Yeah I saw that a lot of their choices for move pools doesn't make sense. Don't know why we took away the ability for a lot of flying types to defog? Knock off from dark types like weavile? And other stupid design decisions.

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DarkBuster22904
06/07/23 3:28:15 PM
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*ctrl+f* "scizor"

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You all should feel terrible.

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deoxxys
06/07/23 3:28:59 PM
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Yeah scissor is still a great Pokmon

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DarkBuster22904
06/07/23 3:30:56 PM
#39:


KhlavicLanguage posted...
no not really, the series turned into an arms race of how much more reality-bending the legendaries of each gen could be
Except gen 5, where they took an uncharacteristic step back and just made really strong dragons

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EyeWontBeFooled
06/07/23 7:15:06 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
*ctrl+f* "scizor"

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You all should feel terrible.
Hop aboard the Steelix train, my dood

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TheHoldSteady
06/07/23 8:28:08 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
*ctrl+f* "scizor"

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You all should feel terrible.

I wasn't even thinking of Scizor because in its first two gens it wasn't great, suffered from having no good STAB moves. Later gens it got Technician + Bug Bite, Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Roost, Superpower, and it got a whole lot better. plus if you're playing in a meta with its mega evolution, that thing is straight up unkillable.

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