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Anarchy_Juiblex 06/01/23 2:22:19 PM #51: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You are correct that cases build precedent but that doesn't mean reach case doesn't stand on its own merit. Are you against this as it is, or as a slippery slope? and wont have further reaching consequences, its incredibly naive to think like that. Contrive a scenario where you think this would be unfairly applied. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendarylemur 06/01/23 2:23:57 PM #52: |
I know it's cool to root for unions but I do feel like we don't know the extent of the damages they did if even the left leaning Justices voted against them. It'll most likely just set a precedence for the level of damages acceptable rather than actually hurt union chances, which are low to begin with. I feel like bitter people in general don't always act in a reasonable way. It's possible the workers went a bit too far in some aspect, and they had proof that the workers did it --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgur.com/krtFHol.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 06/01/23 2:25:02 PM #53: |
SaikyoStyle posted... *wet farting noises*I thought you got left in the bin with the rest of the politics board. Damn shame that you weren't, even your own mother wouldn't miss you. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X8Azazel8X 06/01/23 2:25:05 PM #54: |
The people defending this don't know what they are talking about. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-poised-give-companies-new-power-sue-over-strikes-2022-10-20/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/6/AAL4LyAAEh6A.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/7/AAL4LyAAEh6B.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/8/AAL4LyAAEh6C.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/9/AAL4LyAAEh6D.jpg The people that brought this suit were going to be compensated through other avenues. But they chose to bring a suit for damages instead because it will break the unions ability to strike. And the supreme court disingenuously interpreted as "destruction of property" instead of "incidental destruction of company products" a distinction that makes all the difference in making it easier for the corporations to sue unions just to bully them from striking. It's intentionally setting this up this way it's not unintentional. --- No matter how gaudy you make your appearance...it is only a facade.. *Obama/Biden/Harris Elected* Hopes Rise..Fears Shatter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TaylorHeinicke 06/01/23 2:26:59 PM #55: |
good. get back to work and stop fucking standing around every time i see you "working" on the highway construction every year --- St. Louis Battlehawks (7-3) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 06/01/23 2:56:22 PM #56: |
So many edgelord bootlickers... Yes they went on strike. Yes said company lost more money in the process. Company is accountable for greater losses as a result. This is how a strike functions. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 06/01/23 3:27:36 PM #57: |
Bullshit ruling based on a huge technicality. Buncha L takes in this topic. No surprises I guess. --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X8Azazel8X 06/01/23 3:31:02 PM #58: |
TaylorHeinicke posted... good. get back to work and stop fucking standing around every time i see you "working" on the highway construction every year https://youtu.be/c9yuMksn1pM --- No matter how gaudy you make your appearance...it is only a facade.. *Obama/Biden/Harris Elected* Hopes Rise..Fears Shatter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/01/23 3:33:25 PM #59: |
People bending over backwards to lick the boots of corporate overlords will never not be fucking weird --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 06/01/23 3:42:19 PM #60: |
UnfairRepresent posted... People bending over backwards to lick the boots of corporate overlords will never not be fucking weirdPeople worshiping the rectums of union thugs will never not be weird. When even the liberal justices say something is fucked up, it's probably fucked up. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/01/23 3:43:25 PM #61: |
case and point --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 06/01/23 3:43:30 PM #62: |
willythemailboy posted... People worshiping the rectums of union thugs will never not be weird. Liberals are just as in the pockets of their corporate overlords as conservatives are. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 06/01/23 3:48:33 PM #63: |
So why do ya'll think they should be able to renegotiate contacts after they've been signed, and after the clock has started on a time sensitive project? Should a fucking surgeon be able to walk out after he cut you open without civil/legal consequence beyond losing his job? --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/01/23 3:52:11 PM #64: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted... So why do ya'll think they should be able to renegotiate contacts after they've been signed, and after the clock has started on a time sensitive project? You ignored this entire post: X8Azazel8X posted... The people defending this don't know what they are talking about. Just to create a ludicrious strawman so you could bend over backwards and lick the boots of billionaires who don't give a shit about you It's so fucking weird --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir_Specter 06/01/23 3:56:28 PM #65: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted... So why do ya'll think they should be able to renegotiate contacts after they've been signed, and after the clock has started on a time sensitive project?This is in the running for the single most absurd "analogy" I've seen online. Yeah deliberately slicing open a live human being and then leaving them to die is the same thing is allowing concrete to harden in a way that harms nothing but a truck. Jesus Christ dude. Work on your rhetoric ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 06/01/23 3:59:37 PM #66: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted... So why do ya'll think they should be able to renegotiate contacts after they've been signed, and after the clock has started on a time sensitive project?The irony of you having a link in your sig to a subsection of the Wikipedia article about strawman arguments, while making what is possibly the biggest strawman argument in the entire topic, is absolutely breathtaking. --- (he/him) "The hopeless don't revolt, because revolution is an act of hope." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 06/01/23 4:00:22 PM #67: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Just to create a ludicrious strawman I ignored a distinction that's largely irrelevant and let me be clear, a distinction you don't actually care about in any context beyond, "fuck corps man!" --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 06/01/23 4:03:06 PM #68: |
Sir_Specter posted... This is in the running for the single most absurd "analogy" I've seen online. I like how you couldn't attack the structure of the analogy as it compares so you just feign incredulity at the scope. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/01/23 4:03:08 PM #69: |
People bending over backwards to lick the boots of corporate overlords will never not be fucking weird --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 06/01/23 4:09:11 PM #70: |
Tenlaar posted... I support unions in a lot of things but being free to cause as much damage as you want while going out the door certainly isnt one of them. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 06/01/23 4:12:51 PM #71: |
UnfairRepresent posted... People bending over backwards to lick the boots of corporate overlords will never not be fucking weird stop playing team sports and try forming opinions on specific events --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 06/01/23 4:19:25 PM #72: |
Of course capitalists care more about capital than people. They kept whining about property damage during BLM. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 06/01/23 4:27:54 PM #73: |
g980 posted... stop playing team sports and try forming opinions on specific events The only teams are the working class and the ruling class. The ruling class never has the interests of the working class in mind. Unfortunately there are enough people who think they were just put on the working class team erroneously and so will suck up to the ruling class ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/01/23 4:31:51 PM #74: |
Its never morally acceptable to be against unions ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 06/01/23 4:32:13 PM #75: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Its never morally acceptable to be against unionsPolice union. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 06/01/23 4:32:22 PM #76: |
The irony is they are ignoring every single point raised as to why this is bad. Just to create Stefan Molyneux level terrible strawmen and then complain about "Team Sports" All just so they can kiss billionaire's asses. It's so fucking weird. John Steinbeck's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" truism really sticks out. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mearcstapa 06/01/23 4:41:10 PM #77: |
I applaud anyone who sabotages a concrete company. --- after years of waiting nothing came ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir_Specter 06/01/23 4:42:18 PM #78: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted... I like how you couldn't attack the structure of the analogy as it compares so you just feign incredulity at the scope.Do you...actually need me to point out for you that homicide is different than property damage, both morally and legally? I was assuming you knew that. The structural issue is that the two things you're comparing are not at all similar. "They're both people doing jobs" is a tenuous connection at best when you're talking about literal murder vs allowing a truck to break. It's like saying that Stalin ordering political dissidents into the gulag is the same as a guy spending time in the drunk tank for disorderly conduct because "they both went to jail." It's absurd. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/01/23 4:46:57 PM #79: |
DrizztLink posted... Police union.Thats more being against police themselves. The police union is a catalyst for something thats already bad. If the police were good, they would also deserve a union ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 06/01/23 5:39:38 PM #80: |
UnfairRepresent posted... The irony is they are ignoring every single point raised as to why this is bad. Just to create Stefan Molyneux level terrible strawmen and then complain about "Team Sports" Lol ansestral whatever isnt even denying that he just blindly sides with whatever he considers to not be the "ruling class" is it so hard for you to fathom that having principles and applying them to unique situations sometimes means that the less wealthy person is in the wrong? --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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divot1338 06/01/23 5:42:35 PM #81: |
Doe posted... By "Actively destroyed shit" here Tyranthraxus means "there was still concrete in the concrete trucks when they stopped working"When you stop with a load of concrete it turns into hardened concrete. Turning the truck into a piece of junk. They knew this which was the reason they did it in the first place. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 06/01/23 6:49:42 PM #82: |
g980 posted... Lol ansestral whatever isnt even denying that he just blindly sides with whatever he considers to not be the "ruling class" first - she/they, not he the ruling class are never right. their existence is violence against the working class ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WrestlinFan 06/01/23 7:14:46 PM #83: |
UnfairRepresent posted... The irony is they are ignoring every single point raised as to why this is bad. Just to create Stefan Molyneux level terrible strawmen and then complain about "Team Sports"another straw on the camel's back --- Trying to burn the bridges to a culture that taught us to hate and fear and live like cogs in a machine and not like lovers, friends, and kin. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkAssassin89 06/01/23 7:24:44 PM #84: |
Fair, next! --- Dark89 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/01/23 7:54:17 PM #85: |
DarkAssassin89 posted... Fair, next!cant imagine having shitty evil anti-union beliefs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 06/01/23 8:01:23 PM #86: |
AnsestralRecall posted... first - she/they, not he Noted AnsestralRecall posted... the ruling class are never right. their existence is violence against the working class yikes edgy --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 06/01/23 8:52:17 PM #87: |
g980 posted... NotedThe funny thing is that union workers are the epitome of Fuck You I Got Mine, and they'll go out of their way to take money away from non-union workers. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 06/01/23 9:16:47 PM #88: |
Personally I don't think it's in the spirit of unions and their origin to even require the blessing of the courts, considering that activities like union busting have always been met with a limp slap on the wrist anyway. A system that benefits heavily from corporate money is never going to be on your side. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 06/01/23 9:19:35 PM #89: |
Gwynevere posted... Personally I don't think it's in the spirit of unions and their origin to even require the blessing of the courts, considering that activities like union busting have always been met with a limp slap on the wrist anyway. A system that benefits heavily from corporate money is never going to be on your side.This. It's something that modern unions have forgot and need desperately to remember. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 06/01/23 9:52:47 PM #90: |
Yup, unions used to have to fight the national guard and Pinkertons for daring not to work lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 06/01/23 9:59:57 PM #91: |
willythemailboy posted... The funny thing is that union workers are the epitome of Fuck You I Got Mine, and they'll go out of their way to take money away from non-union workers. Bullshit. They're often forced to represent people who don't pay dues and they do so diligently. They've been proven to raise wages for everyone and they're the ones who got us every single worker benefit we currently have. They're the only ones who even attempt to improve worker conditions and the balance between labor and capital. Your statements are based on ideology, not reality. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vyrulisse 06/01/23 10:01:59 PM #92: |
Sorry but this is a good ruling based on the facts of the case. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKz2U4fvA4U ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 06/01/23 10:04:09 PM #93: |
Vyrulisse posted... Sorry but this is a good ruling based on the facts of the case. its not ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/01/23 10:10:47 PM #94: |
Vyrulisse posted... Sorry but this is a good ruling based on the facts of the case.Youre not and its not ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 06/01/23 10:17:29 PM #95: |
This seems very sloppy for Teamsters. Their strikes are usually very by the books because they're not in the business of losing money and in general like keeping a good relationship with whoever they're negotiating with. It was mentioned earlier that they're effectively a corporation. They're kind of a middle of the road quality union for workers in comparison to other unions, but their reach is massive. This ruling won't hurt them really, but I can see it having some bad effects on the smaller and scrappier ones. The unions that really do go to bat for their guys may have to be more cautious. Overall, this ruling probably seems fair in this particular case, but I don't like the long reaching effect that it may have. Bringing it to court this way was a deliberate attack on unions for sure --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 06/01/23 10:30:15 PM #96: |
legendary_zell posted... Bullshit. They're often forced to represent people who don't pay dues and they do so diligently. They've been proven to raise wages for everyone and they're the ones who got us every single worker benefit we currently have. They're the only ones who even attempt to improve worker conditions and the balance between labor and capital. Your statements are based on ideology, not reality.My statements are based on personal experience of having to work along side of union members in a job they didn't represent. At no point ever does a union member give a single solitary fuck about anyone who isn't in the union. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 06/01/23 10:33:21 PM #97: |
TaylorHeinicke posted... good. get back to work Are you independently wealthy, or just think you will be one day? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 06/01/23 10:34:52 PM #98: |
Reminder that willythemailboy has a history on 261 of shitting on workers and shilling for the rich for anyone who didnt know. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 06/01/23 10:34:59 PM #99: |
willythemailboy posted... My statements are based on personal experienceSo they mean jack shit in the face of the evidence we do have that unions are the reason that workers rights have come as far as they have? --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SaikyoStyle 06/01/23 10:37:13 PM #100: |
willy is just upset because he doesnt demonstrate the minimum value required to be accepted by a union. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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