Current Events > Maturing is realizing Zelda ruined everything in Ocarina of Time

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Its so funny replaying the game now because literally every bad decision and problem was caused by Zelda.

• little kid Zelda thinks she is 200 IQ (triforce of wisdom clearly is trash) tells link to help her and secretly gather all 3 spiritual stones to place them in the Temple of Time for the Master Sword which basically dooms that timeline and all future ones. Ganondorf made it to the Temple, knocks out link and makes it to the Spirit Realm. GG

• Then in the future adult link timeline Zelda decides to avoid capture by being Sheik. As soon as Link goes through all 5 dungeons to awaken the sages and is in the endgame right before winning. Zelda decides to appear as herself no disguise with her "Triforce of Wisdom" Should be Triforce of Idiocracy and literally gets capture within seconds so Link has his plans messed up and now has to go confront Ganondorf that knows he is coming now.

• After Link defeats Ganon and Hyrule is saved Zelda thanks this hero of time Link and tell him she is sorry and its her fault and that he should go back to his destroyed timeline LMAO!?!
• So naive Link listens to this woman yet again and goes back in time, doesn't get to celebrate in happy saved future Hyrule with Zelda nope. He has to go back to fucked up weak child Link world where all his friends are basically gone, Navi is gone and no one cares about Link because to them he literally did nothing except warn them maybe Ganondorf was bad so he got banished in the Twilight realm whatevs.
• Link never did his full training, never got his best items or swords, never fought Shadow Link so his alter ego is out there stronger than him and so many things that were growing in the shadows were never found.

• If thats not enough. the action of Zelda sending the Hero of her timeline Link back to his Kid timeline ruined and doomed that adult future timeline where he saved her and Hyrule. As soon as Link went back well Ganondorf just waited and broke out of prison with the Triforce of Power and there was literally no one there to stop him at all and you better believe he came back with a vengeance and killed everyone there that was still alive and their descendants too.

So Zelda made 2 HUGE mistakes and has the Triforce of Wisdom.
1 mistake is bad enough but instead of saving the timeline at the end and forced Link to stay as Adult Link in her timeline she made another mistake sending him back.

The annoying plot-gating began back with Zelda 2.
The actual plot itself isn't really relevant.

Ever since I was a kid I though about it like this. Zelda did nothing but fuck up in OOT.

Because of her everything got fucked up. Biggest fuck up in the timeline. No single other character has managed to fuck up so hard.

It's like she knew the game was named after her too. Iirc The game mentions time travel should not be abused, and the first thing she does as soon as she gets the Ocarina is abuse it.

It's like she just literally can't stop losing in that game. She should've given her piece of the triforce to link in all honesty

Typical princess behavior.

itachi15243 posted...

Ever since I was a kid I though about it like this. Zelda did nothing but fuck up in OOT.

Because of her everything got fucked up. Biggest fuck up in the timeline. No single other character has managed to fuck up so hard.

It's like she knew the game was named after her too. Iirc The game mentions time travel should not be abused, and the first thing she does as soon as she gets the Ocarina is abuse it.

It's like she just literally can't stop losing in that game. She should've given her piece of the triforce to link in all honesty

haha thats exactly how I feel

Nah, this is the plot. I dunno what you were doing when people were talking, but you gotta read that stuff!

Maturing is realizing it's bonkers to be mad at Zelda for giving us Ocarina of Time :)

Has the OP even actually played the Zelda games?

Twilight Princess clearly establishes at the end of OoT, Link is sent back PRIOR to opening the Door of Time and warns Princess Zelda of Ganondorf's true plan. Ganondorf becomes a fugitive and is ultimately captured and sentenced to execution, which fails after the ToP saves him. The surviving Sages (Water Sage is killed here) seal Ganondorf to the Twilight Realm. This should be the ideal timeline, but Link fucks it up for himself and goes on an obsessive quest for Navi in the Lost Woods (not learning the lessons of MM) and becomes an Stalfos.

The timeline where victorious Link is sent back does get pretty fucked though with Ganondorf returning and the Goddesses flooding Hyrule. As does the Decline Timeline where Link is killed in the final battle of OoT, resulting in LttP timeline.

Everybody was dumb in OoT, Ganondorf especially. He shouldve recognized Link as a true threat to his reign the moment he took out Phantom Ganon and killed him right then and there before he could wake up another sage and gain more power. Dictators are typically paranoid as hell to any little perceived threat to their rule. Ganondorf decided instead to be the most arrogant dictator ever.

Block_that_Kick posted...

Everybody was dumb in OoT, Ganondorf especially. He shouldve recognized Link as a true threat to his reign the moment he took out Phantom Ganon and killed him right then and there before he could wake up another sage and gain more power. Dictators are typically paranoid as hell to any little perceived threat to their rule. Ganondorf decided instead to be the most arrogant dictator ever.

Ganondorf got cocky and arrogant after all those years ruling over the land he felt that no one could threaten his rule. Even when he discovers Link is out to get him he gets all excited and underestimates him thinking he can just overpower him like he did with his kid version.

It's all just thin excuse plots why the kid in the green pajamas goes off to save the world again, combined with contrived excuses why you can't go there yet.

Ganondorf was already choking the spiritual stones out of the zoras, the gorons, and the tree. Link just barely beats him to them, and if Link didn't grab and use all three first, it would only be a matter of time before Ganondorf hunted him down and broke his little child bones to take them. Then Hyrule would be in the same situation, but without a hero to wield the sword seven years later.

Yeah, but she's hot

Link isn't friendless or whatever in the child timeline. You see in Majora that he's friends with Zelda. He also has Epona so he's friends with Malon. None of his other friends are stuck being sages either, so it's feasible that he ends up befriending them. The only one missing is Navi

Sure, Zelda "screwed up" from the players (or Link's) perspective.

But look from hers.

She gets the credit for having participated in the fight (and legitimacy in the eyes of those living there).
She gets rid of her remaining rival for political power (aka Link) in a peaceful way that makes her look like the good guy (to her people, thus maintaining legitimacy as the rightful ruler).

Looks to me like she got everything she wanted.

Yeah, she screwed up alright /s

ultimate_reaver posted...

Link isn't friendless or whatever in the child timeline. You see in Majora that he's friends with Zelda. He also has Epona so he's friends with Malon. None of his other friends are stuck being sages either, so it's feasible that he ends up befriending them. The only one missing is Navi

He was clearly unhappy and unfufilled if he decided to leave Hyrule to explore and go to Termina and he decided to leave that place too.

I think the fact that he never got any recognition and was always seen as goofy silly kid Link by his peers didn't sit well with him and he always wanted to help others but most likely wanted or seeked approval. Zelda knew this which is why she could always manipulate or get him to do stuff.
Did the Kokiri kids accept him? Nope no fairy and he didn't save anything as far as they know. so he was probably laughed at except for Saria. Ruto was probably cool with him but had her own role and no one there could care about him. Ruto just knows he was there in Jabu Jabu that its. Gorons probably appreciate him more than everyone else. Malon probably views him as the silly kid and Zelda just sees him as the kid helped to prevent Ganondorf thats all. None of the townspeople have any feelings toward him.
Even in Termina most characters after he helps them don't really care he is there which is why he leaves both places.

Navi was basically the only one that knew everything and could actually care but left. I wonder what happened after Majora's Mask.

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

This should be the ideal timeline, but Link fucks it up for himself and goes on an obsessive quest for Navi in the Lost Woods (not learning the lessons of MM) and becomes an Stalfos.

This is not true, TP Link is explicitly OoT's descendant so Link fucked somebody and had a family.

AwesomoSauce posted...

As soon as Link went back well Ganondorf just waited and broke out of prison with the Triforce of Power and there was literally no one there to stop him at all and you better believe he came back with a vengeance and killed everyone there that was still alive and their descendants too.

Actually, the Goddesses flooded Hyrule to stop Ganon, and the survivors went to live on the mountains, which eventually became the islands that you see in Wind Waker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCLHdaYMWk