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No_U_L7
05/25/23 11:46:03 PM
#1:


Which statement do you think is true?


Very PC answer, but: I think each gender has it's own unique difficulties and it's impossible to ascertain which is objectively more difficult, while an inability for full perspective makes each gender only see the positives of the opposite sex while not realizing the amount of privilege inherent in their own sex

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FortuneCookie
05/25/23 11:48:37 PM
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One in four women are assaulted.
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No_U_L7
05/25/23 11:54:57 PM
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i should have phrased it the other way, who has it "easier"

would make for better discussion

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bsp77
05/25/23 11:55:02 PM
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Yeah but men can't get the sex

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Proto_Spark
05/25/23 11:57:13 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


This. I mean you can cherry pick a handful of things where it might be worse to be male, but overall its no contest worse for women.
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KhlavicLanguage
05/25/23 11:59:11 PM
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women have it more difficult in every single way except for access to dates/sex, which a lot of guys place an inappropriately high importance on thus leading to the hilarious position that men have it harder in life <_<
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bsp77
05/25/23 11:59:44 PM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
women have it more difficult in every single way except for access to dates/sex, which a lot of guys place an inappropriately high importance on thus leading to the hilarious position that men have it harder in life <_<
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EthanSilver
05/26/23 12:05:21 AM
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Personally would think girls have it rougher. I mean just look at the US, pure boy presidents. Plus pregnancy/periods. Assault... etc, etc...

But, and this is a very sexy big but.... it's not a competition. Phrasing it like this damages both sides imo.

Someone might feel a legit problem is ignored and double down and sticking to "their" side.

And it's not like one can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Either A or B!
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VampireCoyote
05/26/23 12:10:52 AM
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bsp77 posted...
Yeah but men can't get the sex

most dont deserve any

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Sad_Face
05/26/23 12:12:37 AM
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Depends on what your goals are. Survival? AKA find a job, start a family, and live life? Women have the edge. Want to pursue something revolving around ambition or leadership? Men have the edge.

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CobraGT
05/26/23 12:47:18 AM
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Wrong question.

Everybody making less than $200,000 a year is being exploited.

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TerraSeeker
05/26/23 1:00:41 AM
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Men. Women are treated far better by society.

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Aloc
05/26/23 1:02:02 AM
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You can't make generalizations like this lol.

In developed nations, men. In developing nations women.

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Hoodroar
05/26/23 1:04:00 AM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
women have it more difficult in every single way except for access to dates/sex,

That's false.

- Men are less likely to receive emotional support in general, even platonically. Often told to man up, more likely to be made fun of for being thin/short/broke, less likely to be accepted if shy/awkward, etc.

- Men are less likely to receive financial support. More likely to be homeless, etc.

- Male students have access to less scholarships.

- Men are more likely to be physically assaulted. (mostly by other men, but that's besides the point)

- Men receive harsher criminal sentences for equal crimes, and crimes against them are taken less seriously. Also profiled more by the police, especially men of color.

- Men have to register for military drafts while women rarely do. Usually not an issue, but I'm sure Russian and Ukrainian men probably felt safe too.

Men don't face the biological/institutional struggles that women do but are basically on their own for any problems they do face.

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The_shibe
05/26/23 1:06:05 AM
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Men. Easy. How come?

Just the fact that I said men do will get me some negative replies and will make some people mad at me, which goes to prove my point.

I think both genders have unique problems and disadvantages, and women experience some unique issues that men don't have to worry about (e.g. groping, sexual assault), but when it comes to cold, hard facts:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/962171/share-homeless-people-us-gender/

60.6% of the homeless are male.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/423245/us-violent-crime-victims-by-gender/

The majority of violent crime and deaths are male victims

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/suicide-data-statistics.html

males make 50% of the population but 80% of the suicide rate

How many women work as garbage truck people? Coal miners? Bouncers? Construction workers? (especially dangerous construction such as high rise buildings) Fruit pickers? It's not like men say "I'd love to wake up at 5 AM and pick up grapes and tomatoes under the scorching sun!! :) " or "I'd LOVE to jump around steel beams at 50 stories high shooting nails at a wall for a job ^_^ ", these men take these jobs because they have to.

There is a glass ceiling that comes with being a woman, and that's undoubtedly true, but there's also a glass floor, and men, while they don't have a glass ceiling, they don't have a glass floor either, they can fall into homelessness or end having to do dangerous jobs nobody wants or else they'll die.

It's not like a guy can just open a profile in that site and post pictures of his feet or his nutsack and make a steady income.

On top of all this, women are women just because they're born, but there is this stupid notion that a male "must become a man" and "earn manhood", as if we still had a ritual like "go to the forest, kill a wolf and come back to the tribe as a man". Heck, women enforce this kind of this, women "deserve sex" just for having woman parts, but men need to "deserve it". For real, look at this post:

VampireCoyote posted...
most dont deserve any


This video says a lot about the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk5er_Ar4hc

Again, I'm not saying women have it easy, or that they don't' go through things men don't have to. I just say men have it harder.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 1:06:14 AM
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See TC, instead of focusing on any solutions for anything. It turns into a pissing contest.

le sigh

Gals and guys don't have to be on opposing sides you know? Honest.
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_SJimW_
05/26/23 1:07:06 AM
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Women pretty cleanly have it worse, just from a pure statistical standpoint by most metrics

Glad that's winning though, even if the margin isn't super big. As someone who stopped going to this board for like eight years and is only recently checking in on it again, the first option would have definitely won in the CE of 10 years ago.

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samsungsalt
05/26/23 1:08:58 AM
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TerraSeeker posted...
Men. Women are treated far better by society.

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Aloc
05/26/23 1:09:02 AM
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Hoodroar posted...
That's false.

- Men are less likely to receive emotional support in general, even platonically. Often told to man up, more likely to be made fun of for being thin/short/broke, less likely to be accepted if shy/awkward, etc.

- Men are less likely to receive financial support. More likely to be homeless, etc.

- Male students have access to less scholarships.

- Men are more likely to be physically assaulted. (mostly by other men, but that's besides the point)

- Men receive harsher criminal sentences for equal crimes, and crimes against them are taken less seriously. Also profiled more by the police, especially men of color.

- Men have to register for military drafts while women rarely do. Usually not an issue, but I'm sure Russian and Ukrainian men probably felt safe too.

Men don't face the biological/institutional struggles that women do but are basically on their own for any problems they do face.

Being a minority male in the US is vastly more difficult than being a white woman.

Hopefully this doesn't get modded.

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The_shibe
05/26/23 1:09:20 AM
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_SJimW_ posted...
Women pretty cleanly have it worse, just from a pure statistical standpoint by most metrics

Glad that's winning though, even if the margin isn't super big. As someone who stopped going to this board for like eight years and is only recently checking in on it again, the first option would have definitely won in the CE of 10 years ago.

metrics... such as homelessness? college enrollment? suicide rate? violent crime death? percentage working in dangerous or unsanitary jobs? Untreated depression? Earlier death?

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The_shibe
05/26/23 1:11:29 AM
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Aloc posted...
Being a minority male in the US is vastly more difficult than being a white woman.

Hopefully this doesn't get modded.

This too.

People lump "male vs female" and come up with concepts such as "most CEOs in the US are men" and "most congress people and governors and POTUS are men" or "51% of lawyers in big firms are men". Well, how many of those men are men of color?

Could a man, white or not, have gotten away with something like what the Theranos woman did? Nope.

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_SJimW_
05/26/23 1:17:30 AM
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The_shibe posted...
metrics... such as homelessness? college enrollment? suicide rate? violent crime death? percentage working in dangerous or unsanitary jobs? Untreated depression? Earlier death?

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

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Hoodroar
05/26/23 1:20:38 AM
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The_shibe posted...
It's not like a guy can just open a profile in that site and post pictures of his feet or his nutsack and make a steady income.

To be fair only a minority of women can do that either, most are attractive enough to but by the nature of how online algorithims work they can't all be featured and gain a massive following at the same time. Most remainin with low viewership and engagement despite having paid the same price of public nudity the successful ones did.

Sex work is a more accessible profession to women but that's like saying coal mining is a more accessible profession to men, most people don't want and lack what it takes for these jobs.

Otherwise agreed, women receive a thicker glass ceiling but a wider safety net as well. And the men who don't succeed enough to pass the ceiling to begin with don't benefit from the lack of one, while still might suffer from not having the safety net either.

I'd love to see a broke, weak, socially outcast, short guy come in here and say it's still easier to be a man. Because at the bottom of the social totem pole it's really not.

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The_shibe
05/26/23 1:22:06 AM
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_SJimW_ posted...
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence

so you got those 2 stats, then I got the many other ones I mentioned....

Hoodroar posted...
To be fair only a minority of women can do that either, most are attractive enough to but by the nature of how online algorithims work they can't all be featured and gain a massive following at the same time. Most remainin with low viewership and engagement despite having paid the same price of public nudity the successful ones did.

Sex work is a more accessible profession to women but that's like saying coal mining is a more accessible profession to men, most people don't want and lack what it takes for these jobs.

Otherwise agreed, women receive a thicker glass ceiling but a wider safety net as well. I'd love to see a broke, weak, socially outcast, short guy come in here and say it's still easier to be a man.

very true

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ai123
05/26/23 1:22:29 AM
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If things are worse for men, who made them that way?

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008Zulu
05/26/23 1:23:01 AM
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How many rights have men lost, compared to women.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 1:26:19 AM
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ai123 posted...
If things are worse for men, who made them that way?
I wonder what the overlap is in men who focus on "male" specific issues, and "male" GoP voters is.

Mind you, I think peeps like shibe bring up good points. I'm not calling you out specifically shibe.

Just wish some of the guys/gals going at each other's throats, so to speak, would start looking up more for their woes. Or the ire is better spend being directed at those above. Not at lazy topics like this. You make more allies too, if change is actually what you want. And not division.
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A_Good_Boy
05/26/23 1:36:16 AM
#30:


The_shibe posted...
Could a man, white or not, have gotten away with something like what the Theranos woman did? Nope
Donald Trump literally became president.

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Hoodroar
05/26/23 1:54:19 AM
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ai123 posted...
If things are worse for men, who made them that way?

Mostly other men, but that has nothing to do with the victimized one.

EthanSilver posted...

I wonder what the overlap is in men who focus on "male" specific issues, and "male" GoP voters is.

This is another one of those subjects where I take the "independent who dislikes the major parties" stance since I don't agree with either on the subject. GOP supports rich white masculine men and Dems support women and minorities. No real focus on "disadvantaged men" specifically. On the rare occassion someone tries to balance support of feminist and disenfeanchised male causes like Bernie Sanders their campaign gets stomped out by the powers that be.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 1:59:37 AM
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I'm sorry, universal health care, schooling, and worker rights are not really "sex" specific.

Like even if you focus on things like "affirmative" action, you still don't deny the reality of the above.

Not saying Dems are perfect. But one is disconnected from actuality if they think it's a 50/50 split in terms of being bad. So they vote neither. At that point they're no ally of "males." Or anybody really. So why even talk about issues?

At that point, only such way peeps make sense to me is if they are simply looking to divide. And don't really care about said issues, and it's all pretense.
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ai123
05/26/23 2:05:11 AM
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Hoodroar posted...
Mostly other men, but that has nothing to do with the victimized one.

This is another one of those subjects where I take the "independent who dislikes the major parties" stance since I don't agree with either on the subject. GOP supports rich white masculine men and Dems support women and minorities. No real focus on "disadvantaged men" specifically. On the rare occassion someone tries to balance support of feminist and disenfeanchised male causes like Bernie Sanders their campaign gets stomped out by the powers that be.
Wouldn't better healthcare provision, including mental healthcare, benefit men?

Wouldn't policies that help minorities also help male minorities?

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 2:06:37 AM
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ai123 posted...
Wouldn't better healthcare provision, including mental healthcare, benefit men?

Wouldn't policies that help minorities also help male minorities?
It's why such peeps don't make sense to me.

Either some deep brain worms implanted through brainwashing, or peeps using these things as pretense to divide people.
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VFalcone
05/26/23 2:26:09 AM
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Hoodroar posted...
That's false.

- Men are less likely to receive emotional support in general, even platonically. Often told to man up, more likely to be made fun of for being thin/short/broke, less likely to be accepted if shy/awkward, etc.

- Men are less likely to receive financial support. More likely to be homeless, etc.

- Male students have access to less scholarships.

- Men are more likely to be physically assaulted. (mostly by other men, but that's besides the point)

- Men receive harsher criminal sentences for equal crimes, and crimes against them are taken less seriously. Also profiled more by the police, especially men of color.

- Men have to register for military drafts while women rarely do. Usually not an issue, but I'm sure Russian and Ukrainian men probably felt safe too.
The_shibe posted...
- 60.6% of the homeless are male.

- The majority of violent crime and deaths are male victims

- males make 50% of the population but 80% of the suicide rate
(cont.)
- 92% of work deaths are men

- Men commit suicide over 400% more than women

- Men suffer chronic loneliness more and it is rapidly increasing today.

- Rape, sexual harassment, and abuse against men goes completely unchecked.

- Men are automatically considered expendable and on the chopping block in any crisis

- Men don't live as long as women. Can't even do that shit right.

I think people only see women's lives as worse because problems in men's lives are completely ignored and have been for centuries. Society doesn't notice it anymore. People don't even care about the suicides and ridiculous amount of unnecessary deaths.
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Hoodroar
05/26/23 2:31:35 AM
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ai123 posted...

Wouldn't better healthcare provision, including mental healthcare, benefit men?

Wouldn't policies that help minorities also help male minorities?

Generally. But one can make the same argument for any disadvantaged group, yet some still receive direct focus on top of the general social advancements anyway. When in the Democratic party a candidate can be attacked for having a base of support that's "disproportionately male", despite being a feminist who supports women's causes, that doesn't come off very welcoming for men to me.

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Arcanine2009
05/26/23 2:33:29 AM
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If we're talking about a western country, I dunno. Its probably even. Men have it difficult in some ways, while women have it difficult in others.The law is bias towards women over men when it comes to things like divorce, kids and receiving less punishment for the same crimes.

I think the pay gap in the u.s. is complex. There's so many factors. It's not accurate to compare the average pay of a woman vs a man in the general scheme of things. Women gravitate towards certain fields, while men gravitate to certain fields as well (as well as more dangerous jobs). Women also take more time off and sick days and may work less hours then men because of female health issues and family commitment. Women are also less likely to ask for raises or negotiate their pay (could be a cultural thing) vs men. I think it's getting much better. I just don't know if I can say women are getting flat out discriminated as a whole for the same job with the same ability as a man. It's hard to prove that.

Women definitely aren't in as many executive and senior management roles, but it's getting better. So yes, women may be earning less and I'm sure there are some sexism going on with some companies... I'm all for equal pay, but I don't think it's 75 cents to a dollar vs a man for the same job and performance. I don't think it's that bad. But again, I will absolutely push for equal pay all the way.

If we're talking about developing or patriarchal countries (including Japan), then women have it more difficult for sure.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 2:34:30 AM
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Hoodroar, anybody can be attacked for any number of stupid reasons.

Don't let cherry picked incidents cloud your judgment. That is if you actually care about helping males out.

Because one does them more harm with a "same thing, both sides!" mentality.

If we are to talk about work, and mental problems... the GoP makes it a thing to cut the rights of the former, and not only not really care about the latter. Expanded medical help? LOL. They also exacerbate it with "outrage" culture, be mad at everything, and "ALPHA, BE StRONG,BOOOTSTRAPPS!"
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kingdrake2
05/26/23 2:38:32 AM
#39:


VFalcone posted...
Men suffer chronic loneliness more and it is rapidly increasing today.


this one is an easy solution. adopt a pet of various types.

more common one the cat or dog.

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Dakimakura
05/26/23 2:40:06 AM
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Why not even consider non-binary? They probably have it the hardest.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 2:43:23 AM
#41:


Dakimakura posted...
Why not even consider non-binary? They probably have it the hardest.
I would assume it's just a numbers thing.

Personally, I think we should stop it with the "who has it worse!" schtick.

It doesn't have to be one or other, so to speak.

Plus, I think the Elites would love it if the plebs fought amongst themselves anyway. Keeps them occupied with each other instead of looking up. Would really explain "outrage" culture.
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ai123
05/26/23 2:49:21 AM
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Hoodroar posted...
Generally. But one can make the same argument for any disadvantaged group, yet some still receive direct focus on top of the general social advancements anyway. When in the Democratic party a candidate can be attacked for having a base of support that's "disproportionately male", despite being a feminist who supports women's causes, that doesn't come off very welcoming for men to me.
When one side is offering something that will help men, even without a specific focus, and the other is not, then 'both sidesing' is not a productive response.

The practicalities matter more than the optics. How many Democratic politicians are really attacked for having 'disproportionately male' support by anything other than the fringe? You won't support things being made better for you unless it's from someone who says 'we want to make things better for you, specifically'?

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Joelypoely
05/26/23 3:02:26 AM
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Super interesting poll result. From my perspective it seems quite obvious that (in general) women have simpler, easier lives. The more interesting question is, on the whole, which is happier (if this is even quantifiable somehow)?

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Hoodroar
05/26/23 3:21:46 AM
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EthanSilver posted...
Because one does them more harm with a "same thing, both sides!" mentality.

Criticizing two entities isn't necessarily criticizing them the exact same amount.

I criticize Republicans' fundamental philosophy, party ethics, corruption, anti-intellectualism, theocracy, elitism, bigotry, greed, conspiracy theories, baseless smears, terrible candidates, dropping of the political bar, and longstanding role in the decline and stagnation of America.

I criticize Democrats on the occassion they run bad campaigns, organize their primaries to stifle underdogs, or act like idiots.

To the criticized that gets translated as a false equivalence even though the cause for and severity of the disapproval is completely different. And since I get in far more debates about the latter, since the anti-Republican stuff is largely accepted as both true and fair to discuss, it then looks as if I'm criticizing Dems more.

ai123 posted...
You won't support things being made better for you unless it's from someone who says 'we want to make things better for you, specifically'?

Believe it or not that's often how the political game is played. An example:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/07/why-bernie-sanders-economic-message-isnt-enough-to-win-over-black-voters-118197

The most effective way to mobilize African Americans, according to a survey, is appealing to race, not class.

And mind that this candidate spoke a lot about racial issues, but these survey respondents want it to be the main message.

If everyone else is doing it then I'm a sucker if I don't also do it about the causes I care about.

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ai123
05/26/23 3:28:37 AM
#45:


Hoodroar posted...
If everyone else is doing it then I'm a sucker if I don't also do it about the causes I care about.

Only if doing so would advance your cause.

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EthanSilver
05/26/23 3:29:49 AM
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Hoodroar posted...
To the criticized that gets translated as a false equivalence even though the cause for and severity of the disapproval is completely different. And since I get in far more debates about the latter, since the anti-Republican stuff is largely accepted as both true and fair to discuss, it then looks as if I'm criticizing Dems more.
I mean, I get that. Sort of like if it was just me and you, it'd be kind of more productive to speak of the many faults that the dems have.

But the thing is, if a rando just has your take, you're doing them no favors. Not really.

Not like you can't do both. Or nothing innately wrong with coming at this with a more nuanced approach. A practical one that one can take to the polls.
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kage_53
05/26/23 3:33:50 AM
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Depends on where tbh. In the Middle East its women due to the crazy rules they have. In America its men because women can just get rich by having fans subscribe to their content earning passive income.
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MedeaLysistrata
05/26/23 3:50:47 AM
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Really depends on the individual. I don't see the point in generalizing.

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TheWizardOfOrz
05/26/23 3:59:48 AM
#49:


KhlavicLanguage posted...
women have it more difficult in every single way except for access to dates/sex, which a lot of guys place an inappropriately high importance on thus leading to the hilarious position that men have it harder in life <_<
There is also such a thing as too much access. As in, unwarranted requests for sex.
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ssjevot
05/26/23 4:36:27 AM
#50:


Joelypoely posted...
Super interesting poll result. From my perspective it seems quite obvious that (in general) women have simpler, easier lives. The more interesting question is, on the whole, which is happier (if this is even quantifiable somehow)?

There have been studies on that yeah, they generally find women are happier and tend to report more happiness in less equal societies. It's a bit of a paradox. But there is some nuance:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268122000129

Basically women and men aren't using the same criterion in their evaluations.

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