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Solid_Sonic
05/15/23 7:33:56 AM
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FL81
05/16/23 3:42:12 AM
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I am not "browsing" this board, I am "traveling"

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itachi15243
05/16/23 3:42:52 AM
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Hopefully?

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Supaitwo
05/16/23 3:43:29 AM
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Its a complete pile of bull shit and has never worked so it should be.

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josifrees
05/16/23 6:38:24 AM
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lmfao

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Hornezz
05/16/23 7:08:49 AM
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Am I being detained or am I free to post?

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Nukazie
05/16/23 7:19:12 AM
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live free or die?

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Hyena_20
05/16/23 10:25:57 PM
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Theoretically, it REALLY should be moddable under Trolling: Misinformation/Disinformation. I mean most of the Sov Cit idiocy is demonstratably false, just like most antivaxxer and election denialist stuff.

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ChainsawFerret
05/16/23 10:31:59 PM
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There is a time and place for the Sovereign Citizen movement. The time is "Never," and the place is "Nowhere." It's a complete load of bunk and those who propagate it should be ashamed of themselves.

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Hyena_20
05/17/23 4:28:00 AM
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For anyone who isn't familiar enough with SovCits to comment, here is some info from Rationalwiki:

Sovereign citizens would accurately be described as the flat earthers of the legal world. They typically believe that there are two types of citizens: natural citizens and Fourteenth Amendment citizens.
They believe that sovereign citizens are citizens of the United States by virtue of having been born in one of the 50 states (minus DC), and have ostensibly revoked their US federal citizenship and "contracts" and filed a "quiet title". Actions to quiet title always relate to disputes about the ownership of real property and certain titled chattels, so the notion of quieting title to a human being is unknown to the law (at least since 1865, anyway). Sovereign citizens believe that they are not subject to any United States federal law or federal courts, but are subject to natural law and common law. By contrast, Fourteenth Amendment citizens are subject to federal and common law, but can become sovereign citizens by taking the same action as sovereign citizens.
This claim is also associated with a few bizarre "debt elimination" scams which hold that if somebody files all the right paperwork with the government declaring themselves a sovereign citizen, they then have access to unlimited funds from the U.S. Treasury to pay off all their mortgages and other debts, similar to the theories of the redemption movement.

The intellectual limitations for many members of the movement are indicated by the response of a Texas motorist to a December 4, 2008 traffic stop. "I am Texas Republican sovereignty. I do not recognize this as a legal traffic stop."


From Wikipedia:
Sovereign citizens believe that after the government set up by the Founding Fathers under a common law legal system was secretly replaced, "commercial law" substituted the common law. This commercial law is generally understood to be admiralty law, as sovereign citizens consider that the current, illegitimate, law is based on principles of international commerce. This leads sovereign citizens to believe that U.S. judges and lawyers are actually agents of a foreign power.
A widespread belief among sovereign citizens is that the state is not an actual government, but a "corporation" Most consider that the county sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country, with authority superior to that of any federal agent, elected official, or local law enforcement official.

Sovereign citizens' legal theories reinterpret the Constitution of the United States through selective reading of law dictionaries (notably an obsolete version of Black's Law Dictionary), state court opinions, or specific capitalization, and incorporate other details from a variety of sources including the Uniform Commercial Code, the Articles of Confederation, the Magna Carta, the Bible, and foreign treaties. Sovereign citizens often use irregular documents and flawed or invented legal arguments as "proof" of their claims.

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kingdrake2
05/17/23 5:40:48 AM
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FL81 posted...
I am "traveling"


we're all traveling.

jungling NuuNuu. he took my blue buff.

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wackyteen
05/17/23 5:54:57 AM
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ChainsawFerret posted...
There is a time and place for the Sovereign Citizen movement. The time is "Never," and the place is "Nowhere." It's a complete load of bunk and those who propagate it should be ashamed of themselves.


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Rai_Jin
05/17/23 5:58:45 AM
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rules for thee but not for me?

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the_final_bahamut
05/17/23 6:22:40 AM
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I didn't agree to your ToU, my person did.

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Solid_Sonic
05/17/23 6:45:44 AM
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the_final_bahamut posted...
I didn't agree to your ToU, my person did.

Is your username held in all caps by the website?

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