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I mean, I knew that there was a lot of filler and that it was mostly padding but I just got to Goku's transformation to Super Saiyan and I remember it being played up for drama and how the sky started changing color and lightning and then it happened. In the manga, it was barely even 3 panels and he just transformed. In a way, it was a little off putting because I only remember how amazing it was as a kid. It took maybe half an episode or even a whole episode for it to happen.

The whole powering up thing seems to definitely just be anime only because I swear when they increase their energy it happens in a single panel and easily forgotten.

I know they did a recut of Dragon Ball Z but they should really just remake the anime. I think they could cut it down by half or more lol.

Cell's transformation into his perfect form took almost no time in the manga, but it was like a whole episode of the anime.

Very cool and epic as a kid, but as an adult who knows they were just padding for time, it's a little silly lol

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Cell's transformation into his perfect form took almost no time in the manga, but it was like a whole episode of the anime.

Very cool and epic as a kid, but as an adult who knows they were just padding for time, it's a little silly lol

It was an immersion man.
This is how we get 100hour asmr or 10+ hour review about a game they never played on YouTube.

Filler isn't exclusive to DBZ.

I'm glad more modern anime have figured out this whole pacing thing by just airing an anime in seasons. The format where the show just continuously releases episode after episode until it's finished or canceled just doesn't work well in the long run.

dameon_reaper posted...

I know they did a recut of Dragon Ball Z but they should really just remake the anime. I think they could cut it down by half or more lol

That's what DB Kai is, a remake. All audio was rerecorded, a lot of scenes were redrawn and most filler was cut.

ust watch kai..

VeggetaX posted...

Filler isn't exclusive to DBZ.

It's just an example of some of the worst of it.

I'd say Bleach and Naruto are way worst.

VeggetaX posted...

I'd say Bleach and Naruto are way worst.

Okay? So out of thousands of anime the order goes Bleach/Naruto, Bleach/Naruto, DBZ?

I'm fine with that take.

I dropped Naruto because I heard after the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, there's like 60 episodes of filler

And if peoples reaction to the end of Shippuden is any indication, not many characters were fleshed out enough

PowerOats posted...

I dropped Naruto because I heard after the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, there's like 60 episodes of filler

And if peoples reaction to the end of Shippuden is any indication, not many characters were fleshed out enough

It's a thing with Bleach and Naruto. They introduce tons of characters all at once and expects you to know and care about them when you're still learning to main characters.

DBZ filler was mostly excellent. It gave us the Goku and Piccolo driving episode.

VeggetaX posted...

It's a thing with Bleach and Naruto. They introduce tons of characters all at once and expects you to know and care about them when you're still learning to main characters.

Main character in bleach is by far the worst mc of all shonen. He just there to save people and learn new power because that's all he has. And then he married the big boobs without any hint that he ever like that girl.

VeggetaX posted...

Filler isn't exclusive to DBZ.

I didn't say it was. I don't know what you're getting at lol.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I'm glad more modern anime have figured out this whole pacing thing by just airing an anime in seasons. The format where the show just continuously releases episode after episode until it's finished or canceled just doesn't work well in the long run.

Same. Wish they had done the same for One Piece tbh.

TheSavageDragon posted...

That's what DB Kai is, a remake. All audio was rerecorded, a lot of scenes were redrawn and most filler was cut.

Yes, I know what that is. I watched it all. I still think that there's more that could be cut. At least enough of it.

VeggetaX posted...

I'd say Bleach and Naruto are way worst.

Bleach? Nah. Naruto? Maybe. They used a different kind of filler though. It had content, just terrible useless content.

PowerOats posted...

I dropped Naruto because I heard after the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, there's like 60 episodes of filler

And if peoples reaction to the end of Shippuden is any indication, not many characters were fleshed out enough

Its even worse with Shippuden. I remember catching up to Naruto and they were doing their filler hell and it was like "omg, just timeskip already!" and then they made it worse in Shippuden.The second anime even starts badly and just has this disgusting meek look to it. It feels like the color was washed away.

Wait to you hit the SS3 transformation

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DBZ filler was mostly excellent. It gave us the Goku and Piccolo driving episode.

That's not the filler I'm referring to when I talk about filler. I'm talking about padding. Which is also just filler. The episodes where Goku takes side trips on Snake Way were also pretty good and I loved the Garlic Jr. Saga, personally.

VeggetaX posted...

It's a thing with Bleach and Naruto. They introduce tons of characters all at once and expects you to know and care about them when you're still learning to main characters.

It was adding 13 captains and their vice captains and even characters below them and all with cookie cutter personalities. Then later adding MORE through the Arrancar. Kubo would have been a great artist with someone doing his backgrounds.

Just needed a decent writer.

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Main character in bleach is by far the worst mc of all shonen. He just there to save people and learn new power because that's all he has. And then he married the big boobs without any hint that he ever like that girl.

I don't even know Ichigo's personality. It feels like he's just 'there'. I know guys who are obsessed with Ichigo but I don't even know for what reason. Naruto and Luffy at least hold decent personalities and backgrounds.

The thing about DBZ/One Piece vs. Bleach/Naruto filler is that Naruto and Bleach do filler 'seasons' that can be fairly easily skipped. This makes it so the canon episodes can still move at a decent pace overall, without a whole bunch of padding. It's admittedly awful to have a whole year of filler while the show is airing episode by episode, but when rewatching it's much better for the show overall.

Because the alternative is the One Piece/DBZ way of doing things, which is to stretch out all the canon episodes into extreme lengths through exaggerated reaction shots, slow pans, tons of screaming and musical interludes, etc. This means that you can't skip these episodes, because they're canon, but they're agonizing to watch. A single speed blitz in One Piece that takes maybe two or three panels gets stretched out into 3 minutes of gasping, slow motion, and shouting.

A filler season sucks when it's airing, but ridiculous padding hurts the show forever.

There are pros and cons to each method, but in the end, this is the truth:

A_Good_Boy posted...

I'm glad more modern anime have figured out this whole pacing thing by just airing an anime in seasons

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I find it funny how coincidentally the manga caught up to the anime in Japan at the exact time the dub did to its airing on CN. Towards the end of the Frieza fight, they were dubbing it early that morning, and would air later that day.

I can honestly see why the series needed padding. The manga moves really fast and there's not much to pad it with. Its not like Detective Conan which is more or less episodic or One Piece where there's a lot more going on than the fight. They at least have multiple fights going on. For Dragon Ball Z, you have that fight and so you have to do a lot to stretch it.

One Piece was doing fine until a few years ago when they started summarizing the episode before it in the beginning of the episode along with the super opening. I'm grateful that when I fast forward on Crunchy Roll, I can find the opening title which is where the episode begins.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The thing about DBZ/One Piece vs. Bleach/Naruto filler is that Naruto and Bleach do filler 'seasons' that can be fairly easily skipped. This makes it so the canon episodes can still move at a decent pace overall, without a whole bunch of padding. It's admittedly awful to have a whole year of filler while the show is airing episode by episode, but when rewatching it's much better for the show overall.

Because the alternative is the One Piece/DBZ way of doing things, which is to stretch out all the canon episodes into extreme lengths through exaggerated reaction shots, slow pans, tons of screaming and musical interludes, etc

Naruto is the worst of both worlds as they manage to do both. Not only do they interrupt the main story at occasionally inopportune times to run several dozen filler episodes, a great deal of the canon episodes have several flashback scenes. Sometimes they even have flashback scenes to what happened in that very episode. Or a Shippuuden episode has a flashback scene to the big Naruto vs Sasuke fight pre-time skip and the following episode will be damn sure to show you that very same flashback.

TheSavageDragon posted...

a great deal of the canon episodes have several flashback scenes

This is true. In general it does a pretty decent job of staying on pace when not in filler, but there are definitely some awkwardly-long flashbacks thrown in.

Another thing that drives me nuts is like...2-3 minute long episode recaps at the beginning. A lot of shows do this, and it's not clever. We know it's just padding for time lol

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Another thing that drives me nuts is like...2-3 minute long episode recaps at the beginning. A lot of shows do this, and it's not clever. We know it's just padding for time lol

This enrages me. Like in a 30 minute episode of Naruto, you'd get 2-3 minutes of episode recap, 5-6 minutes of opening and ending theme song along with several flashback scenes at times. The major offending episodes were barely 10 minutes of new content.

TheSavageDragon posted...

Naruto is the worst of both worlds as they manage to do both. Not only do they interrupt the main story at occasionally inopportune times to run several dozen filler episodes, a great deal of the canon episodes have several flashback scenes. Sometimes they even have flashback scenes to what happened in that very episode. Or a Shippuuden episode has a flashback scene to the big Naruto vs Sasuke fight pre-time skip and the following episode will be damn sure to show you that very same flashback.

Yeah, there's the "Anime Filler List" that even says "mostly filler" or "mostly canon" which ruins it. I remember when i was sick and ended up finishing the war arc and how disastrous it felt.

TheSavageDragon posted...

This enrages me. Like in a 30 minute episode of Naruto, you'd get 2-3 minutes of episode recap, 5-6 minutes of opening and ending theme song along with several flashback scenes at times. The major offending episodes were barely 10 minutes of new content.

Happens in One Piece sometimes too. Hell, it was crazy watching episodes that had new animation and then the flashback would cut to the old animation before wide screen. It felt ridiculous. I think they've learned their lesson now though because I've seen flashbacks with newest animation.

Maybe they should remake Naruto as well lol. Especially with that drab color in Shippuden. I miss back when Naruto had brighter colors.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The thing about DBZ/One Piece vs. Bleach/Naruto filler is that Naruto and Bleach do filler 'seasons' that can be fairly easily skipped. This makes it so the canon episodes can still move at a decent pace overall, without a whole bunch of padding. It's admittedly awful to have a whole year of filler while the show is airing episode by episode, but when rewatching it's much better for the show overall.

Because the alternative is the One Piece/DBZ way of doing things, which is to stretch out all the canon episodes into extreme lengths through exaggerated reaction shots, slow pans, tons of screaming and musical interludes, etc. This means that you can't skip these episodes, because they're canon, but they're agonizing to watch. A single speed blitz in One Piece that takes maybe two or three panels gets stretched out into 3 minutes of gasping, slow motion, and shouting.

A filler season sucks when it's airing, but ridiculous padding hurts the show forever.

There are pros and cons to each method, but in the end, this is the truth:

This is why I say DBZ/ Super is a YouTube level show. All the best parts can be viewed there without spending 25 mins wait for a thrown punch at minute 15, 18, and 20

PowerOats posted...

This is why I say DBZ/ Super is a YouTube level show. All the best parts can be viewed there without spending 25 mins wait for a thrown punch at minute 15, 18, and 20

Honestly, the manga is infinitely better. Everything is condensed so its not like you're waiting like you would in the anime. I am enjoying it a lot more and like that I can fly right through the manga. Its definitely a series that could have made a wait to become an anime though.

literally the last 5 minutes of goku vs frieza shouldve educated you to what the situation was.

This topic makes me nostalgic for Saint Seiya Asgard.

We will never get filler that good ever again.

Rise_Makaveli posted...

literally the last 5 minutes of goku vs frieza shouldve educated you to what the situation was.

I knew that there was padding in that sense. Like, I could see all the shots of the scenery and the characters staring was all just padding. I'm referring to scenes where characters transform even.

Rise_Makaveli posted...

literally the last 5 minutes of goku vs frieza shouldve educated you to what the situation was.

At least DBZ had an excuse since it wasn't trying to overrun the manga. DBS doesn't have this same excuse. In the Tournament of Power, Goku's fight with Jiren was supposed to have happened in the last 3 minutes, and there was a lot of time during that where people were literally just standing around and talking to one another.

A_Good_Boy posted...

At least DBZ had an excuse since it wasn't trying to overrun the manga. DBS doesn't have this same excuse. In the Tournament of Power, Goku's fight with Jiren was supposed to have happened in the last 3 minutes, and there was a lot of time during that where people were literally just standing around and talking to one another.

lol trying to make DBZ watchers feel at home? lol

There's actually a few things in DBS that is a relic from the DBZ days. Games do it too. I know there are differences between the DBS manga and the anime and I plan to find out.