Current Events > We should REALLY stop eating beef and pork

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Beef is bad for you, affects cholesterol negatively, causes colon cancer and is VERY FUCKING BAD for the planet.

Pork is about 30% as bad for the planet as beef is IIRC, but it's VERY FUCKING BAD for your body.

They're both delicious, but we need to stop eating them.

no

I won't. You can tho.

Yeah. I'm trying. Have beef mostly cut out but I like ham :(

I did. Get on my level, scrubs.

Luckily for me I prefer fried chicken

Those vegan meats aren't exactly good either

Tastes too good

Trumpo posted...

Those vegan meats aren't exactly good either

Eat chicken and fish.

No we need companies to stop chemically altering them in ways that make them dangerous.

Muslims Jews and Hindus smiling when reading this topic

Big if true

No, I don't think I will.

we bred cows to be consumed, it is their purpose

why do you seek to deny a creature its reason for existing

Trumpo posted...

Those vegan meats aren't exactly good either

Who tf said vegan?

Mistere_Man posted...

No we need companies to stop chemically altering them in ways that make them dangerous.

Do you have any sources to back up your tinfoil hat dumb post?

Mistere_Man posted...

No we need companies to stop chemically altering them in ways that make them dangerous.

This. Pasture raised grass fed/finished beef is good for you.

hitokoriX posted...

This. Pasture raised grass fed/finished beef is good for you.

*less bad for you
*even worse for the planet

Also you think the other guy meant "not feeding them cereals" when he said "chemically altering them"?

Honestly I agree with this part of veganism more than others. Pigs are intelligent animals and these are probably the two biggest cases of slaughterhouse attire in the US.

I pretty much have. Not to mention chicken even with the recent price increases is still a lot cheaper.

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Fuck the planet

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I stopped eating pork a few years ago.. but mainly because I consider pigs to have the same (or better) IQ as that of dogs and cats.

cows havent impressed me yet but maybe one day.

chickens.. RIP you crazy little dinosaurs.

turkey > chicken

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Moderation isn't a thing, TC?

Just stop eating it all together?

But, Im hungry and this bacon cheeseburger is only six bucks

ToteAll posted...

Who tf said vegan?

Do you have any sources to back up your tinfoil hat dumb post?

I apologize for the slow reply. I heard something about the chemicals they give them to grow faster and larger being dangerous to humans on a news show, but now looking into it it seems to be one of those still up for debate issues, or more research needs to be done things.

I found a few things on it like this

http://www.ifrj.upm.edu.my/25%20(01)%202018/(1).pdf

Conclusion
This paper provides a comprehensive review of different hormones used in cattle to increase the milk and meat production and their possibility to cause health issues in human being. There is lack of systematic study to support this issue, hence unable to directly relate the effect of these hormones on human beings. However, we conclude from the available literature that there is a certain impact on human beings such as cancer and premature puberty in girl children. Hence, more research is required in the areas like quantitative risks related to hormonal metabolites, carcinogenicity, genotoxicity of hormones as well as their metabolites. Further, a detailed study is required to determine whether the ingestion of IGF-1 is safe for children, adolescents during puberty and development of secondary sexual growth in adults.
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Here is a gov thing

https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/steroid-hormone-implants-used-growth-food-producing-animals

It says levels are to be kept at a level where expected to be safe to humans (which means there are unsafe levels) it is to be monitored by the fda, but then you find stories like this which can be a bit worrying imo.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/11/michigan-beef-dangerous-levels-forever-chemicals

In 2019, the FDA initially found 182 food samples to be contaminated with PFAS, but, after changing its methodology part way through the study, that figure dropped to 78, drawing accusations that it was intentionally covering up contamination.
Imagine using a radar gun to detect speeding in cars, but then manipulating the radar so that it only detects speeding in cars going over 100mph, wrote Brian Ronholm, a former deputy under secretary of food safety at the US Department of Agriculture, in Consumer Reports after the FDA announced the change.
Meanwhile, the FDA allows short-chain PFAS to be used in food packaging despite a growing body of evidence that the chemicals bioaccumulate, leach into food and are toxic at very low levels.
Though health limits for PFAS in water have been dropping in recent years, the FDA seems to be allowing relatively high levels in food, and the agency hasnt really explained why they dont have any concerns, said Maricel Maffini, an independent food safety scientist who has petitioned the FDA to restrict PFAS in food packaging.
Theres a health risk in water at very, very small levels of exposure, so why would food be different? she asked. The FDA could be doing a lot more.

Different situations, but it shows the fda isnt the best at sticking to standards at times.
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Again I apologize for my slow reply, and for trusting what I heard on some news show , but it seems to be a subject that is still up for debate or needs more research. Heck we can just chalk it up to tin foil crap for if you want I dont really care at this point.

You can if you want but I won't. I love steak, tacos and beef jerky. I also love bacon and ham. A lot of my recipes include things in both of those animals and I will never give them up. Unless they come out with that humane meat that's lab grown and has never been part of an animal

Give me a diet that's 100% beef and pork and I'll be healthier than 99.99% of Merica

No thanks. My desires are paramount and I prefer not to let anything get in the way of my indulgence.

Fuck the planet.

I will try to eat more chicken

birds are delicious enemies

Full_Pokedex posted...

Fuck the planet.

You spend an awful lot of time being terrified of nuclear war and then come out swinging with an opinion like this

I honestly cant stand the taste of beef and pork.

I eat chicken and fish a couple times a week. The rest is mostly plant-based protein: tofu, tempeh, etc.

Recently listened to Notes From Underground on audiobook. This quote stuck out to me, and I feel like it fits some of the takes ITT:
"I say that the whole world can go to hell, so long as I can get my tea."

Sounds like propoganda to me

I already don't eat much beef and pork but it's just because I don't like it. I like sausage and bacon for pork and I will eat ground beef but these are on rare occasions.

I mostly eat chicken and fish these days. Beef and pork is simply unhealthy. BUT, I wouldn't want to cut it out completely. Gotta have a slice of bacon or a nice steak once in a while.

I don't know if we need to stop entirely, and let's be blunt, it's way too hard of a sell to be realistic.

I do think it would be really great if we, as a culture, moved towards eating beef and pork in moderation. If we ate 1/4 as much beef and pork, the same amount of poultry and eggs, then the rest was plant-based protein, that would make us healthier and be a lot better for the planet.

And I'm not just talking vegan faux meats, either. Like if you look at east Asian countries, the tofu is higher quality and they have lots of delicious dishes that are based on tofu and maybe a small amount of meat. Not to mention that Middle Eastern and Latin American countries have lots of good, filling bean based dishes.

Save the planet.

Eat people.

Kakapo posted...

Save the planet.

Eat people.

I tried, they're not very filling and really sort of stringy.