Current Events > New Zelda still has weapon degrading

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Ivany2008 posted...

I don't mind weapon degrading, what what I'll never understand is why the Master Sword, the supposed strongest weapon in all of Hyrule only had a measily 30 base attack, when at that point in the game most other weapons had double if not triple its attack. Even if it had a 10 minute cooldown timer. I know it grows to 60 when near Ganon or when you complete the Trial of the Sword, but its still very weak for what should be the best weapon in the game.

But as I alluded to in another topic, I won't be grabbing the game. It's far too expensive for what it is. After tax its 110 CAD.

Agreed about MS. Especially considering how long it takes to unlock.

I honestly dont care about the attack rating be somewhat lower, but that should be a trade off for true unlimited use. No cooldown/durability.

Damn, I can't believe TotK is keeping the mechanic that I actually kinda liked / appreciated and at absolute worst tolerated. Preorder cancelled, etc.

lww99 posted...

its not about running out, its just boring. I dont want to hold a bunch of weak ass spears that will keep breaking.

But the bigger blunder is the climbing stamina/rain making you slide when climbing. Broken as FUCK and ruins BOTW.

If you make weapons unbreakable what ends up happening is people will just use one weapon for the whole game and that's not how you play Breath of the Wild.

It might be how you WANT to play but really you want to play a different game because BotW ain't it. BotW is about interactions with the environment including physics, whatever you can pick up off the ground nearby, and weather interactions.

Mistere_Man posted...

Becoming attached to characters is the sign of a good story imo. Do you watch movies or shows and just say oh who cares what happens it is just a show? If so you do you, I personally like to get invested in the lore a bit, and like to become attached to the characters real or not.

You getting overly attached to fictional characters doesn't change you don't have the point you think you do comparing a video game to a hypothetical non fictional friend who was injured and in need

Ivany2008 posted...

but its still very weak for what should be the best weapon in the game.

Wait why? It just so happens in many Zelda games it's the ONLY weapon, not the strongest one.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If you make weapons unbreakable what ends up happening is people will just use one weapon for the whole game and that's not how you play Breath of the Wild.

It might be how you WANT to play but really you want to play a different game because BotW ain't it. BotW is about interactions with the environment including physics, whatever you can pick up off the ground nearby, and weather interactions.

What's the difference between using 1 unbreakable weapon against 20 enemies vs using 10 breakable weapons against the same 20 enemies?

Answer: you have to stop to equip each of those 10 weapons (quick menu included).
It's just a waste of time to stop the player mid-combat.

Delta_Force posted...

What's the difference between using 1 unbreakable weapon against 20 enemies vs using 10 breakable weapons against the same 20 enemies?

Answer: you have to stop to equip each of those 10 weapons (quick menu included).
It's just a waste of time to stop the player mid-combat.

basically this.

I wouldnt mind if they just gave you 1 of each weapon type. Or you can find better versions of said weapons to upgrade etc

Delta_Force posted...

What's the difference between using 1 unbreakable weapon against 20 enemies vs using 10 breakable weapons against the same 20 enemies?

Answer: you have to stop to equip each of those 10 weapons (quick menu included).
It's just a waste of time to stop the player mid-combat.

No you don't. You can use 1 breakable weapon against two enemies, then pick up one of their weapons and equip it without having to go into the menu. Repeat every two enemies you kill. That's how you're intended to play the game.

I love using a club only when playing Zelda. Lots of fun

ThunderTrain posted...

I love using a club only when playing Zelda. Lots of fun

The club has the exact same animations and attack combo as the sword except you can also set it on fire

Literally doesn't matter because you can fuse shit together and regain durability

Nintendo killed Zelda for good with this game it seems. Hopefully reviewers point out to Nintendo not to be lazy with Zelda if they plan to make a fresh new title. Looks like a 7/10 game.

Honestly a lot of the fusing just seems like memes or experimenting endlessly to see whats out there

Garlands_Soul posted...

Played the game tons and never ran into a situation where I had no weapons

Same, but I still don't like using weapons made of balsa wood.

Back in Ocarina of Time, there was a sword called the Giant's Knife. It was two handed, did about twice the damage of the master sword, and had longer range.

But if you hit anything with it, it would quickly break. You could get it fixed, and it would get stronger when you fixed it, but it would still break after enough hits.

There was also a long, winding trade side quest that sent you from person to person giving items, getting items, and working your way up to giving eye drops to the big Goron living on top of death mountain.

After that, he tells you that the one who made your giant's knife is his brother, and that he himself is the superior blacksmith.

He makes you a new sword called the Biggoron Sword, and that one is basically the giant's knife except it's unbreakable.

Now I ask....

Why did the developers decide to make every fucking weapon into the giant's knife, which was practically a joke item only there to make you thrilled when you discovered the unbreakable version?

Tyranthraxus posted...

No you don't. You can use 1 breakable weapon against two enemies, then pick up one of their weapons and equip it without having to go into the menu. Repeat every two enemies you kill. That's how you're intended to play the game.

So you don't have to stop what you're doing (combat) to enter a menu, instead you have to stop what you're doing (still combat) to go pick up some another weapon because yours broke. As opposed to... Just using your weapon until you're done?

How is that not interrupting the flow of combat still?

What kind of sicko looked at this trailer and didn't get excited

Blue_Inigo posted...

What kind of sicko looked at this trailer and didn't get excited

I watched it and then made me lose my mojo

asdf8562 posted...

You getting overly attached to fictional characters doesn't change you don't have the point you think you do comparing a video game to a hypothetical non fictional friend who was injured and in need

I dont want to argue, but you just seem to have missed the point of my analogy. In Link's world the sword is his non fictional friend that is in need. The hypothetical was if you had a friend with a broken leg you wouldnt be ok with them just getting a rake crammed into them as a temporary fix, so Link in his reality shouldnt be ok with doing that to a friend in need in his reality. A friend in need that also saved his life by telling Zelda how to save him. A friend that in skyward sword gave up their freedom to become a weapon against evil, and too be able to fight at their friends side throughout time.

Like I said I dont want to argue, so hopefully we can agree to disagree on this, and I apologize for not being able to express my thoughts in a way that is understandable.

--Zero- posted...

I watched it and then made me lose my mojo

Well yeah, that's normal after busting a big one

It wasn't even a big deal in the original. I had loads of weapons in my inventory and never ran out even in Master Mode. Only real problem with durability is it affecting Master Sword. That should have never been the case

I can't wait to fuse!

BotW was at its best when it came to how you traversed/interacted with the world. This game just really expanded on that.

lww99 posted...

its not about running out, its just boring. I dont want to hold a bunch of weak ass spears that will keep breaking.

But the bigger blunder is the climbing stamina/rain making you slide when climbing. Broken as FUCK and ruins BOTW.

Then fuse your spear with a rock and itll be less breakable. Or a log or a tree or a sword or a bomb or..

the point is they made weapons in TOTK super interesting thanks to Fuse and complaining that they break (which is what enables this system to work from a design standpoint, makes you have to engage with it) is ridiculous.

Zonbei posted...

Then fuse your spear with a rock and itll be less breakable. Or a log or a tree or a sword or a bomb or..

the point is they made weapons in TOTK super interesting thanks to Fuse and complaining that they break (which is what enables this system to work from a design standpoint, makes you have to engage with it) is ridiculous.

some of the new weapons look goofy as fuck lol

lww99 posted...

some of the new weapons look goofy as fuck lol

Yes. And?

I hate that feature in all games, same goes to armor degrading.

meh.
Weapons turn to shit > weapons spontaneously explode

lww99 posted...

some of the new weapons look goofy as fuck lol

This is the same game where a guy runs around saving the world with a green toboggan, right?

Tyranthraxus posted...

This is the same game where a guy runs around saving the world with a green toboggan, right?

this post had me confused as hell. In hellscape ohio, Toboggans are sleds, not hats.

Fine by me. It forces you to try different ways to approach enemies instead of going slash slash with your best weapon all the time.

lww99 posted...

this post had me confused as hell. In hellscape ohio, Toboggans are sleds, not hats.

Rosebud was his hat.

lww99 posted...

this post had me confused as hell. In hellscape ohio, Toboggans are sleds, not hats.

I had to check this to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. Apparently the further north you go it's a sled and the further south you go it's a hat.

Durability is a clunky and embarrassingly lazy way to "force" weapon swapping, surprised they bothered to keep it in.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I had to check this to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. Apparently the further north you go it's a sled and the further south you go it's a hat.

yeah same here lol. Id never heard it referred to as a hat, but Google confirms its a location thing.

lww99 posted...

yeah same here lol. Id never heard it referred to as a hat, but Google confirms its a location thing.

I'd first heard the word decades ago in--I shit you not--a Garfield comic where it was used to refer to a hat so it was always a hat to me.

so do your weapons still EXPLODE and disappear, or can you hang on to a broken one to fuse and repair later?

viewmaster_pi posted...

so do your weapons still EXPLODE and disappear, or can you hang on to a broken one to fuse and repair later?

Unknown for certain but it looks like the fused weapon will explode and you'll need to fuse a new one

I dont really care about the mechanics of a durability system however I just dont see what it added to the game at all. It was such a bizarre choice and just made no sense from a gameplay point of view.

It was one of the reasons why I didn't like BotW as much as others.

Great. A few more years of hearing people cry about it.

Eww

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Fine by me. It forces you to try different ways to approach enemies instead of going slash slash with your best weapon all the time.

Borderlands solves this alleged problem by your "best" weapon becoming obsolete about every ten minutes.

So long as bomb-sniping still exists, ignoring weapons still exists.

SHRlKE posted...

I dont really care about the mechanics of a durability system however I just dont see what it added to the game at all. It was such a bizarre choice and just made no sense from a gameplay point of view.

It was explained in this topic but its pretty much giving you more options and to think on your feet while you play. There were always many reasons to fight but if you just ran in with the master sword all the time, you're basically just hacking and slashing. Setting fire to the field first to drop hp or swing your weapon into a boulder after stopping time was decent.

This is upgrading that idea of improvisation.

I didn't mind weapons breaking after I played for a while. There were almost always more than I could carry lying around anyway, so I'd just chuck an old one at the nearest enemy and pick up a shiny new one.

The only time it was a problem was in Master Mode, where enemies, especially gold ones, had oceans of health and they started recovering it almost immediately after you stopped attacking them. Even a decent inventory of weapons could barely take out random camps.

Also I can't wait to experiment with fusion and building shit.

Mistere_Man posted...

Fair point. I am just overly angry at this news, which may turn out fine, I do apologize.

Becoming attached to characters is the sign of a good story imo. Do you watch movies or shows and just say oh who cares what happens it is just a show? If so you do you, I personally like to get invested in the lore a bit, and like to become attached to the characters real or not.

Link's weapons aren't characters, though. Why are you trying to form emotional bonds with them?

codey posted...

Link's weapons aren't characters, though. Why are you trying to form emotional bonds with them?

His sword literally talks to him and Zelda. In skyward sword it was a humanoid person.

the crafting seems to negate some of that ... should be interesting to test some stuff anyhow

dameon_reaper posted...

It was explained in this topic but its pretty much giving you more options and to think on your feet while you play. There were always many reasons to fight but if you just ran in with the master sword all the time, you're basically just hacking and slashing. Setting fire to the field first to drop hp or swing your weapon into a boulder after stopping time was decent.

This is upgrading that idea of improvisation.

This.

I do think BotW didnt go far enough to sell the idea to people, but we've already seen this expanded in a very interesting way for TotK.

codey posted...

Link's weapons aren't characters, though

They might not 'be' characters, but they do have character. Everybody has their favorite default item layout for just wandering the world and exploring. My setup for OOT was always Ocarina on Down C, Megaton Hammer on Right C, and Longshot on Left C.

On that note, the fact that there's no Hookshot in Breath of the Wild just feels wrong.