Current Events > Reasonable amount of child support a month

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A_Good_Boy posted...

And the post I was responding to was the one suggesting that the parent with custody in this hypothetical should have their purchases strictly scrutinized. It doesn't make any sense for the parent that's taking the majority of the burden in providing care and raising a child should be the one that has to then also face strict scrutiny from the other parent on where the money is going. That other parent would know where the money was going if they actually took the time to be involved in the life of the child, but since they don't give enough of a shit to actually do that they feel like they're entitled to purchases of the other parent? That's absurd! If anything it should be the other way around.

It wouldn't make sense to scrutinize over the spending of the non-custodial parent, because the court determines the payment amount, regardless of what their expenses are.

The only thing that the courts use to determine child support amounts are: how much time each parent has with the child, how much each of the parents make and if there are added childcare costs. That's it.

NatsuSama posted...

It most definitely does not stipulate you need more.

First of all unless there is a legitimate reasons going on, the parent needs to get off their ass and get a job. Having a child is not a suffice reason alone for not working.

Also there's way too many assumptions being slapped on to this daycare angle.

Like we can't just slap blanket prices on shit which is the real issue with this topic as a whole. We can't assume everyone actually needs daycare and doesn't have someone else to take care of the baby, you know, for free. We can't slap blanket costs to daycare even if one does pay. We can't slap blanket years and dollar amounts to how long to pay that figure.

That's just one angle we are tackling here. There are a bunch of conditions that absolutely does not apply to all parents.

Not sure if you misread my statement.

If someone is a stay at home parent, then daycare is not needed..but if they are a stay at home parent with no job (apart from taking care of their child) then how do they live?

If they work and need daycare, then both parents will need to pay a portion of the childcare cost.

If they have a family member that can take care of the kid, then even that will have some cost..unless you're hoisting your parent with a 40 hour job of taking care of your kid for free.

NatsuSama posted...

So your blanket dollar amounts and conditions do not apply to all.

I mean, that's true for anything.

The main point is, there is a cost associated with childcare.

emblem-man posted...

Not sure if you misread my statement.

If someone is a stay at home parent, then daycare is not needed..but if they are a stay at home parent with no job (apart from taking care of their child) then how do they live?

If they work and need daycare, then both parents will need to pay a portion of the childcare cost.

If they have a family member that can take care of the kid, then even that will have some cost..unless you're hoisting your parent with a 40 hour job of taking care of your kid for free.

You are coming up with these preconceived "ifs" to ignore the fact that your blanket scenario or tailored scenario doesn't apply to all.

That again is the whole problem with this discussion. We can't just slap blanket prices, with tailored scenarios that don't actually apply to everyone.

For example daycare. Not everyone needs to pay for daycare to be able to get a job. So a discussion mandating daycare be included in child support veers way too off in speculation territory that can easily boil down to titfortat.

And no, a family member watching the child does not demand paying that person 40 hours a week. Not everyone demands payment to watch kids. Especially given the fact that plenty have their own kids watch the younger ones after a certain age.

NatsuSama posted...

You are literally a fine example of my point on making wild assumption based on preconceived notions that doesn't apply to everyone.

Like you do realize the options you so conveniently provided, that there's others, right? People who have mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, even friends who watch their kids for the grand total price of free. It's a concept and luxury some people do actually have.

So your blanket dollar amounts and conditions do not apply to all.

Do you have any experience of what it's like relying on the kindness of friends and family to watch your kids for you while you work? It's extremely fickle and very unreliable for long term. Parent's, other family, and friend's have their own lives and can't be heavily relied on to always want to watch your kids for you. They have their own work schedules they need to contend with and their own lives to live and they can cancel on you at any moment. That's usually not an issue if your own employer is willing to give you some leeway when your babysitter flakes, but I've never seen any employer extend that leeway for a long enough time unless unions were involved.

Sure some people have that luxury, but I don't think it's enough to where having those people can easily mitigate the costs of other childcare should they be unavailable.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Do you have any experience of what it's like relying on the kindness of friends and family to watch your kids for you while you work? It's extremely fickle and very unreliable for long term.

None of this relevant to the facts.

How you feel on the matter is irrelevant. Not everyone demands payment, expects payment, and can't get a job without paying someone child support.

You wish to slap blanket prices, with tailored scenarios that don't actually apply to everyone.

NatsuSama posted...

It most definitely does not stipulate you need more.

First of all unless there is a legitimate reasons going on, the parent needs to get off their ass and get a job. Having a child is not a suffice reason alone for not working.

Also there's way too many assumptions being slapped on to this daycare angle.

Like we can't just slap blanket prices on shit which is the real issue with this topic as a whole. We can't assume everyone actually needs daycare and doesn't have someone else to take care of the baby, you know, for free. We can't slap blanket costs to daycare even if one does pay. We can't slap blanket years and dollar amounts to how long to pay that figure.

That's just one angle we are tackling here. There are a bunch of conditions that absolutely does not apply to all parents.

Easily one of the worst parts on CE I've ever seen.

I love how some in this topic just fill in the blanks to paint a story.

A reasonable amount definitely varies from parent to parent.

This is so weird. We're not here to make a policy recommendation. This is a very informal discussion about what childcare costs can be. Yes absolutely, my statements will not apply to 100% of people. If you assumed that's what I was saying, then I apologize.

My whole intent is that childcare can be expensive so someone saying child support should be $400-500 is not realistic, due to costs of child support. Not even counting other childcare costs outside of daycare.

NatsuSama posted...

None of this relevant to the facts.

How you feel on the matter is irrelevant. Not everyone demands payment, expects payment, and can't get a job without paying someone child support.

You wish to slap blanket prices, with tailored scenarios that don't actually apply to everyone.

They are relevant to the facts. I've known several people that lost their jobs because their babysitters weren't reliable and their employers didn't want to put up with their attendance any longer. Even parents in retirement don't want to watch their kid's kids every single day. Childcare needs to be taken into consideration when having a kid and only a fool wouldn't budget for it. Free babysitters are completely unreliable.

emblem-man posted...

This is so weird. We're not here to make a policy recommendation. This is a very informal discussion about what childcare costs can be. Yes absolutely, my statements will not apply to 100% of people. If you assumed that's what I was saying, then I apologize.

My whole intent is that childcare can be expensive so someone saying child support should be $400-500 is not realistic, due to costs of child support. Not even counting other childcare costs outside of daycare.

TC is wrong for making a blanket number as well.

It really can be realistic depending on the parents.

For example let's say I have custody of the kids. Lets say 2 kids. I'm making 6 figures doing well off, and my ex wife is dirt broke on minimum wage (7.25) with no custody but ordered to pay child support as she's living paycheck to paycheck.

We expect the ex wife to pay more than $500. Why? I can afford childcare just fine, but I should demand the ex to dive deeper into financial struggle because......?

A_Good_Boy posted...

I've known several people

Which is irrelevant. You knowing people being unreliable is irrelevant to the fact that this does not apply to all. Your anecdotal experience is irrelevant. Your friends or families anecdotal experience is irrelevant. Mystery man or woman on the internet experience is irrelevant.

Blanket statements do not apply to all.

child's support should be whatever an abortion would cost and a one time payment at that

NatsuSama posted...

Which is irrelevant. You knowing people being unreliable is irrelevant to the fact that this does not apply to all. Your anecdotal experience is irrelevant. Your friends or families anecdotal experience is irrelevant. Mystery man or woman on the internet experience is irrelevant.

Blanket statements do not apply to all.

But your bullshit statements are dictum?

Like so many here want to feel good about themselves on the child support angle that they filling blanks to a story where they shouldn't. TC included.

A_Good_Boy posted...

But your bullshit statements are dictum?

I'm not the one tailoring a specific scenario and defending this tailored made scenario that is has to apply to a parent. All to fit a narrative that every single parent needs child support money for daycare. That would be the other person using anecdotal evidence to claim it applies to all.

My post literally says, we can't slap blanket scenarios with blanket costs and blanket problems to raising a child.

$800-$1200 I think would be reasonable in a lot of places

if you dont like it then dont impregnate, thats a choice

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

I'm literally just quoting google. average child support paid a month is around $400-$500

No, you're quoting Google but not saying the average child support. Unless you are saying that there is an overwhelming amount of deadbeat parents coming from the few states that actually fall in the 400-500 range.

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