Current Events > NORAD head won't rule out Aliens in mysterious object shot down over Canada

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wackyteen
02/13/23 6:07:04 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-believe-flying-objects-over-alaska-canada-were-balloons-schumer-2023-02-12/


WASHINGTON, Feb 12 (Reuters) - U.S. military fighter jets on Sunday shot down an octagonal object over Lake Huron, the Pentagon said, the latest incident since a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon put North American security forces on high alert.
It was the fourth flying object to be shot down over North America by a U.S. missile in a little more than a week. China's foreign ministry said it had no information on the latest three flying objects shot down by the United States.
U.S. Air Force General Glen VanHerck, who is tasked with safeguarding U.S. airspace, told reporters that the military has not been able to identify what the three most recent objects are, how they stay aloft, or where they are coming from.
"We're calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason," VanHerck, head of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and Northern Command, said.
VanHerck said he would not rule out aliens or any other explanation.
"I'll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out," he said.
Another defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, subsequently said the military had not seen any evidence that the objects were extraterrestrial.
On President Joe Biden's order, a U.S. F-16 fighter shot down the object at 2:42 p.m. local time over Lake Huron on the U.S.-Canada border, Pentagon spokesperson Brigadier General Patrick Ryder said in an official statement.
Though it did not pose a military threat, the object could have potentially interfered with domestic air traffic as it was traveling at 20,000 feet (6,100 m), and it might have had surveillance capabilities, Ryder said.
The object appeared to be octagonal in structure, with strings hanging off but no discernible payload, said a U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity.
The object was believed to be the same as one recently detected over Montana near sensitive military sites, prompting the closure of U.S. airspace, the Pentagon said. The military will try to recover the object downed over Lake Huron to learn more about it, VanHerck told reporters.
He said it likely fell into Canadian waters.
The incident raised questions about the spate of unusual objects that have appeared over North American skies in recent weeks and raised tensions with China.
"We need the facts about where they are originating from, what their purpose is, and why their frequency is increasing," said U.S. Representative Debbie Dingell, one of several Michigan lawmakers who applauded the military for downing the object.
U.S. officials identified the first object as a Chinese surveillance balloon and shot it down off the coast of South Carolina on Feb. 4. On Friday, a second object was shot down over sea ice near Deadhorse, Alaska. And a third object was destroyed over Canada's Yukon on Saturday, with investigators still hunting for the wreckage.
"The security of citizens is our top priority and that's why I made the decision to have that unidentified object shot down," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters on Sunday.
North America has been on guard against aerial intrusions following the appearance of the white, eye-catching Chinese airship over American skies earlier this month.
That 200-foot-tall (60-meter-high) balloon - which Americans have accused Beijing of using to spy on the United States - caused an international incident, leading Secretary of State Antony Blinken to call off a planned trip to China only hours before he was set to depart.
Pentagon officials said they have been scrutinizing radar more closely since then.
Surveillance fears appear to have U.S. officials on high alert.
Twice in 24 hours, U.S. officials closed airspace - only to reopen it swiftly.
On Sunday, the Federal Aviation Administration briefly closed space above Lake Michigan. On Saturday, the U.S. military scrambled fighter jets in Montana to investigate a radar anomaly there.
China denies the first balloon was being used for surveillance and says it was a civilian research craft. It condemned the United States for shooting it down off the coast of South Carolina last Saturday.
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer told U.S. broadcaster ABC that U.S. officials think two of the latest objects were smaller balloons than the original one.
The White House said only that the recently downed objects "did not closely resemble" the Chinese balloon, echoing Schumer's description of them as "much smaller."
"We will not definitively characterize them until we can recover the debris, which we are working on," a spokesperson said.
DEBRIS IN REMOTE LOCALE
Canadian counterparts trying to piece together what was shot down over the Yukon may have their own challenges. The territory is a sparsely populated region in Canada's far northwest, which borders Alaska. It can be brutally cold in the winter, but temperatures are unusually mild for this time of year, which could ease the recovery effort.
Republican lawmaker Mike Turner, who serves on the U.S. House Armed Services Committee, suggested the White House might be overcompensating for what he described as its previously lax monitoring of American airspace.
"They do appear somewhat trigger-happy," Turner told CNN on Sunday. "I would prefer them to be trigger-happy than to be permissive."
Republicans have criticized the Biden administration over its handling of the incursion by the suspected Chinese spy balloon, saying it should have been shot down much earlier.

Weird things going on in the world. 2023 off to a start, for sure

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Ratchetrockon
02/13/23 6:08:29 AM
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i really hope they are aliens and not chinese drones

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DrizztLink
02/13/23 6:11:39 AM
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If they're all dead of old age it would explain why we're shooting down their shit so easily.

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02/13/23 6:16:14 AM
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itachi15243
02/13/23 6:19:53 AM
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I really don't think it's aliens, but the fact that the government either doesn't know or isn't telling us where it came from concerns me.

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wackyteen
02/13/23 6:27:12 AM
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Think Russia is a bit busy to play games with America atm.

Though I guess they could figure "Well they're bankrolling Ukraine so fuck it, what's the worst they're going to do?"

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Nukazie
02/13/23 6:29:46 AM
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cool, when do we nuke them aliens

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lifespeedrunner
02/13/23 6:36:00 AM
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There's no way for you to know what sort of technology advance alien lifeform is capable of so go "scientifically impossible" yourself out of this grown up discussion
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Foppe
02/13/23 6:38:00 AM
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So much money spent on the military and they cant even helicopter or parachute a group of people to where they shut down unknown objects?
It is on their own backdoor!!!

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itachi15243
02/13/23 6:42:38 AM
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Yeah but they were upfront with the spy balloon. No reason not to tell us if China sent more. Russia is not in a place to be sending anything this way.

It just seems like the reaction is different too. Makes me wonder if it's either some sort of really amazing tech no one can even look at, or it belonged to one of our allies or what.

Either way I really hope they'll actually let us know at some time soon. The suspense is killing me.

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Thud
02/13/23 6:48:18 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
i really hope they are aliens and not chinese drones

I don't, because that means we just blew up at least three of their homies for like no reason
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Foppe
02/13/23 6:49:05 AM
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We got at least 97 exoplanets closer than 32.6 light-years from us.
The closest is not even 5 light-years away.
You telling me it takes millions of years from getting from one of those planets?


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itachi15243
02/13/23 6:54:15 AM
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Foppe posted...
We got at least 97 exoplanets closer than 32.6 light-years from us.
The closest is not even 5 light-years away.
You telling me it takes millions of years from getting from one of those planets?

No, a light year is some like 5.875 trillion earth years iirc. So way long than that. Unless they're moving at light speed.

I naturally assume anything that can move at light speed wouldn't get shot down by some decades old fighter jet though.

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BloodMoon7
02/13/23 6:57:59 AM
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lifespeedrunner posted...
There's no way for you to know what sort of technology advance alien lifeform is capable of so go "scientifically impossible" yourself out of this grown up discussion
I mean if they're so advanced, would they be shot down by Earth missiles?

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Foppe
02/13/23 7:13:31 AM
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If you can travel to a different planet...
...then you most likely also can stay outside that planets orbit while sending down basic drones that can check stuff like atmosphere, etc.
Why would you overengineer such basic drones to protect them from missiles?

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02/13/23 7:20:25 AM
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ECW_Originals12
02/13/23 7:22:05 AM
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I can't imagine if they thought it might be aliens that they'd be anywhere this open about it
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rexcrk
02/13/23 7:24:00 AM
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Yeah because thats what we need right now. Buncha morons screeching about an alien invasion.


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MacadamianNut3
02/13/23 7:24:22 AM
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rodu_jr
02/13/23 7:25:59 AM
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has it been ruled out that it could possibly be....

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itachi15243
02/13/23 7:26:34 AM
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Foppe posted...
If you can travel to a different planet...
...then you most likely also can stay outside that planets orbit while sending down basic drones that can check stuff like atmosphere, etc.
Why would you overengineer such basic drones to protect them from missiles?

If you can travel at the speed of light to get here, why would you need to send down such old ass technology for basic recon?

That'd be like giving tank operators a bow and some arrows for self defense. If a civilization is so far ahead it'd either only be sending down shit like this in dire straits, or if it was some sort of extremely cheap mass produced shit that they literally send to every planet.

Either way it just seems off. I guess there is no way to know for sure though.

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Foppe
02/13/23 7:35:50 AM
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...you do know why you dont want any object to go close to the speed of light on a planet, right?

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DrizztLink
02/13/23 7:53:10 AM
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Foppe posted...
...you do know why you dont want any object to go close to the speed of light on a planet, right?
Pretty sure Itachi's definition of "recon" isn't "slam your shit into the planet at max speed."

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BloodMoon7
02/13/23 8:19:38 AM
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Foppe posted...
If you can travel to a different planet...
...then you most likely also can stay outside that planets orbit while sending down basic drones that can check stuff like atmosphere, etc.
Why would you overengineer such basic drones to protect them from missiles?
Because ideally you want your basic drones to not be shot by missiles? If they're so advanced, their basic drones would be pretty complex to us anyway. It wouldn't be overengineering at all. It's like if we sent a basic drone out but it could be taken down by a well aimed pebble.

I mean if we're talking about a highly advanced civilization, their idea of basic could be undetectable or very durable. Anything really, you're acting like our species wasn't smacking things with pointy sticks not that long ago. We ain't advanced enough to take down alien drones.

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HornyLevel
02/13/23 8:59:25 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
No, a light year is some like 5.875 trillion earth years iirc. So way long than that. Unless they're moving at light speed.

I naturally assume anything that can move at light speed wouldn't get shot down by some decades old fighter jet though.
I think you meant a light year is 5.88 trillion miles.

You'd need infinite energy to travel at the speed of light. At 99% of the speed of light, it would take them 5 years to come from 32 light years away, but 32 years will still pass for everyone else.

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apocalyptic_4
02/13/23 9:14:24 AM
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This is a wild timeline.

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MabusIncarnate
02/13/23 9:17:35 AM
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There's always the possibility that they are incredibly close, and cloak their planet entirely from our view, and we have no idea they are there. Maybe they are between Mars and Jupiter. WE DON'T KNOW!

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TomClark
02/13/23 10:27:35 AM
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Pluto coming to smack our punk arses for demoting their planet.

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Tom_Joad
02/13/23 10:36:15 AM
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He didn't rule out the objects being reptilians from the center of the earth riding pterodactyls, either.

Just because he didn't rule out anything... doesn't mean it is whatever specific thing was used as an example.

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Tom_Joad
02/13/23 10:38:39 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
I think you meant a light year is 5.88 trillion miles.

You'd need infinite energy to travel at the speed of light. At 99% of the speed of light, it would take them 5 years to come from 32 light years away, but 32 years will still pass for everyone else.

But if you can generate an artificial black hole in front of a ship, it will pull the ship towards it a rate greater than the speed of light.

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Alteres
02/13/23 10:40:03 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
But if you can generate an artificial black hole in front of a ship, it will pull the ship towards it a rate greater than the speed of light.
That would also take care of any pesky particle strikes you might encounter, handy.

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Strider102
02/13/23 10:41:55 AM
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I saw this a long time ago in a movie called Without Warning.

The aliens sent a transmitter onto the surface in a location with no human population. They then sent one coming straight down on the North Pole, we destroyed it.

Then they sent 3 more, each one heading to a seat of power, one at the US Capital, another in Moscow, and another at Beijing. We destroyed those as well.

They then bombarded us with meteors, destroying humanity.

We're screwed guys.

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apolloooo
02/13/23 10:43:04 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
i really hope they are aliens and not chinese drones


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Pikachuchupika
02/13/23 11:18:42 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
i really hope they are aliens and not chinese drones

Me too...but the logical part of me is saying no.
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Thud
02/13/23 11:22:13 AM
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"What is that thing? Could be aliens?"

"Fuck em, blow it up!"

Peak America lmao
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Strider102
02/13/23 11:25:52 AM
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Thud posted...
"What is that thing? Could be aliens?"

"Fuck em, blow it up!"

Peak America lmao

Maybe we need an Intergalactic War to finally open our eyes to the truth.

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Perfectinsanity
02/13/23 11:29:13 AM
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https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3296177/melissa-dalton-assistant-secretary-of-defense-for-homeland-defense-and-hemisphe/

Full transcript of the Pentagon press conference from yesterday

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mario2000
02/13/23 12:12:40 PM
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rexcrk posted...
Yeah because thats what we need right now. Buncha morons screeching about an alien invasion.

I do wish conspiracy theorists would go back to screeching about aliens instead of screeching about 5G vaccines.

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rexcrk
02/13/23 3:23:27 PM
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mario2000 posted...
I do wish conspiracy theorists would go back to screeching about aliens instead of screeching about 5G vaccines.


You know what, thats a fair point lol


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