Current Events > Would you be open to forming close friendships with people of opposing politics?

(+) Yeah! (+)

As long as they like anime

averagejoel posted...

this is why opinions need to be supported with evidence; in this case being examples of conservative views and policies that are not demonstrably harmful

Like I said, I cant give you views on anything. I cant even tell you any democratic views. I can say that I also dont support all their views, though What I can say is that when the people I know say they are voting conservative, theyve stated their reasons. And they were bad reasons. And by bad, I mean harmful. None were anti-LGBTQ+, even if that was one of their candidates policies, for example But like everyone knows, youll never be 100% with a candidate At least, I personally never have, nor will I probably ever be

Gladius_ posted...

There's a difference between not standing behind a candidate 100% and voting for someone who wants to strip the rights away of people you know as well as people you don't know. It's also hard to ignore the fact that this person you're hanging out with, that is friendly towards you, and claims to be a friend not caring about how those policies affect you or at least not caring enough that said policies aren't a turn off to them.

I wouldn't vote someone who would hurt people I care about. Even if I benefit from said candidate. How could I live with myself?

Tbh, they dont think anything would actually happen to other peoples rights. They think that even though the candidates say that, it wont actually happen. To me, it just seems more like ignorance of being malicious

Dan_Haren- posted...

Depends on the individual. My best friend is a Trumper, I have 2 brother in laws that are Trumpers. One of the brother in laws and my friend are both level headed, not hardcore into politics, and both have small businesses, so they simply vote republican every time and admit that Trump is probably a bad guy but whatever. The other brother in law thinks Trump is the greatest president of all time and thinks everything he does is genius and everything Biden does is evil. So yea fuck that latter guy. I can't stand hanging out with him, the other 2 are actually chill.

are the other 2 racist ?

Gladius_ posted...

Except it has and we literally lost roe vs wade. Other rights have been dialed back too. If you point this out to someone and they handwave it then they simply don't care at best or actively approve at worst. Either way they helped contribute to the problem.

I just.. cant associate with someone like that. Aside from that I don't care about people's views until their views or politics begins to actively contribute in the harming of others.

I know it has. But they think things like that are a fluke Hence why I said its more like ignorance in their part

And like I said, Im not trying to change anyones views on it. Im just saying I disagree I dont think they are bad people They just made bad choices, IMO But they not everyone who votes conservative hates others. Which is why Im fine with some friends being like that. As long as they arent being hateful

the_pika posted...

what is a morman?

it sounds like an aquatic Marvel universe race

did I spell that wrong? I honestly dont know.

STEROLIZER posted...

did I spell that wrong? I honestly dont know.

mormon

LinkPizza posted...

mormon

LinkPizza posted...

I know it has. But they think things like that are a fluke Hence why I said its more like ignorance in their part

And like I said, Im not trying to change anyones views on it. Im just saying I disagree I dont think they are bad people They just made bad choices, IMO But they not everyone who votes conservative hates others. Which is why Im fine with some friends being like that. As long as they arent being hateful

conservative policies (cutting social programs, etc.) are far more harmful to vulnerable people than any bigotry at the individual level

STEROLIZER posted...

WOW

averagejoel posted...

conservative policies (cutting social programs, etc.) are far more harmful to vulnerable people than any bigotry at the individual level

Im not saying they dont have harmful policies. Im saying I dont believe all their policies are harmful

LinkPizza posted...

Im not saying they dont have harmful policies. Im saying I dont believe all their policies are harmful

that's a completely baseless belief

averagejoel posted...

that's a completely baseless belief

Baseless to you, maybe. But not to me...

LinkPizza posted...

Baseless to you, maybe. But not to me...

you literally said that you don't know a single conservative view or policy.
what is your belief that "not all their policies are harmful" based on?

averagejoel posted...

you literally said that you don't know a single conservative view or policy.
what is your belief that "not all their policies are harmful" based on?

I said I don't remember their policies... Not that I never knew them. When all they were talking about at work was their candidate's policies... I said:

LinkPizza posted...

I usually know what their stance is around voting time since everyone is talking about it. After that, I toss it out

So, it's based on my experience... That's why I don't believe all their policies are harmful...

LinkPizza posted...

I said I don't remember their policies... Not that I never knew them. When all they were talking about at work was their candidate's policies... I said:

you said in post 154 that you would be unable to "give me" views on anything:

LinkPizza posted...

Like I said, I cant give you views on anything. I cant even tell you any democratic views.

being unable to name a single conservative view means that, functionally, you do not know what any conservative views are. therefore your views about them are, objectively, based on nothing. i.e. baseless

averagejoel posted...

you said in post 154 that you would be unable to "give me" views on anything:

Yeah. I said I can't give you views... Because like I said in post 142, I don't remember them after election time is over...

LinkPizza posted...

I usually know what their stance is around voting time since everyone is talking about it. After that, I toss it out

So, I don't remember...

averagejoel posted...

being unable to name a single conservative view means that, functionally, you do not know what any conservative views are. therefore your views about them are, objectively, based on nothing. i.e. baseless

Not remembering their policies isn't the same as not knowing at all... So, again, not baseless all... It's based on my experience... And that's a fact... You mental gymnastics won't change that...

For example, let's say I read a book and liked it. Years later, even if I don't remember everything in a book, I can still say I liked it. Same with these policies. I don't remember what they all were. But I remember not all of them being harmful... Same thing. I knew about them around election time and forgot afterwards. But it doesn't mean I never knew them... I just don't remember, nor do I care to... But like how I'm basing that book on how I felt about it when I read it, I'm basing those policies on how I felt when I heard about them/knew about them... So, based on my own experience...

Questionmarktarius posted...

If the relationship is defined by "politics!", it's a terrible relationship anyway.

This. Plus, people whos identities revolve around politics are the worst. So boring