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dioxxys posted...

I have no doubt it started out this way but certainly we've come a long way since then?

Barely. Martin Luther King Jr. was campaigning for better pay and unionization as a way to defeat generational poverty and he got shot for it. There's still urban communities that have problems stemming from Redlining that caused poorer education and food deserts.

A_Good_Boy posted...

No offense, but I'm only barely hopping into this topic near the end and I think I'm already picking up the vibe that other people have been saying that you're full of shit.

Only shock the monkey but you're welcome to join him if you want to view the world through gray lenses where everyone is terrible.

wanderingshade posted...

Barely. Martin Luther King Jr. was campaigning for better pay and unionization as a way to defeat generational poverty and he got shot for it. There's still urban communities that have problems stemming from Redlining that caused poorer education and food deserts.

I don't know what redlining is.

Doesn't generational poverty exists no matter what color you are? I thought things like affirmative action were meant to counter this, at least if you're a minority.

Apparently I've got a pretty bad education and I'm white/Spanish. Don't know what a food desert is either.

dioxxys posted...

I have no doubt it started out this way but certainly we've come a long way since then?

Sadly no

My very quick summary definition of systemic racism - "organizations that consciously or unconsciously interact with people differently based on their racial appearance"

I'm still curious why you claim something exists when you don't know *what* it is...

dioxxys posted...

Only shock the monkey but you're welcome to join him if you want to view the world through gray lenses where everyone is terrible.

Sorry but disingenuous racism isn't exactly novel on CE.

dioxxys posted...

I don't know what redlining is.

Laws and financial policies that made it harder for certain races to get land

Doesn't generational poverty exists no matter what color you are? I thought things like affirmative action were meant to counter this, at least if you're a minority.

Ok so -
A) You believe that generational poverty exists for all races (makes sense) - *why* do you believe that means it affects all races equally?
B) Something countering a bad thing doesn't mean it *completely* erases it.. a bulletproof vest doesn't completely erase the danger of bullets

Apparently I've got a pretty bad education and I'm white/Spanish. Don't know what a food desert is either.

Again, you could Google - Food desert is an area with little to no access to fresh produce, food without additives, etc

dioxxys posted...

Only shock the monkey but you're welcome to join him if you want to view the world through gray lenses where everyone is terrible.

does he have a reputation? Hes being pretty disengenuous in another topic.

Its not my fault you cant handle the UK legal definition of rape is different to the one you want . But sure go ahead and details two topics instead of one.

Cops murder a person in cold blood and somehow there are people with different opinions.

Ruvan22 posted...

Laws and financial policies that made it harder for certain races to get land

I thought this was based off income and/or living in a poor area? I tried googling this so I would have to ask less

Ruvan22 posted...

Ok so -
A) You believe that generational poverty exists for all races (makes sense) - *why* do you believe that means it affects all races equally?
B) Something countering a bad thing doesn't mean it *completely* erases it.. a bulletproof vest doesn't completely erase the danger of bullets

Because I've seen poor people of all races. I mean I guess I don't know that for a fact. I'm realizing this is a poor answer on my part.

Ruvan22 posted...

Again, you could Google - Food desert is an area with little to no access to fresh produce, food without additives, etc

Now this is one I've never heard of though I've heard murmurings of the other stuff but correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a lot of poor minorities live in the inner city. I'm huge into cooking international dishes and ingredient selection is often the best in cities.

PS
Wanted to thank you for taking the time to trying to teach me something

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The UK legal definition is stupid. Good for you bro.

Not crazy about shock the monkey but I got to agree with them on this one the UK definition a penis is required to rape is stupid

dioxxys posted...

I thought this was based off income and/or living in a poor area? I tried googling this so I would have to ask less

My definition didn't capture the whole issue - it's both things that make it hard for minorities to get land AND make areas with minorities worse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
In the United States, redlining is a discriminatory practice in which services (financial and otherwise) are withheld from potential customers who reside in neighborhoods classified as "hazardous" to investment; these neighborhoods have significant numbers of racial and ethnic minorities, and low-income residents.[2] While the most well-known examples involve denial of credit and insurance, also sometimes attributed to redlining in many instances are: denial of healthcare and the development of food deserts in minority neighborhoods.[3][4] In the case of retail businesses like supermarkets, the purposeful construction of stores impractically far away from targeted residents results in a redlining effect.[4]

Because I've seen poor people of all races. I mean I guess I don't know that for a fact. I'm realizing this is a poor answer.

Credit to you for this - personal experience is rarely a good way of judging society as a whole. Yes there are poor people of all races *but* the things keeping people of some races poor are much worse.

Now this is one I've never heard of though I've heard murmurings of the other stuff but correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a lot of poor minorities live in the inner city. I'm huge into cooking international dishes and ingredient selection is often the best in cities.

There are a lot of poor minorities in inner city areas, correct - you'll notice there aren't that many international restaurants in *inner* city areas, they tend to be in the nicer parts of cities.

PS
Wanted to thank you for taking the time to trying to teach me something

Most welcome - systemic racism in policing started this, did my brief definition make sense?

dioxxys, i'm going to pretend for like, a minute here, that I don't believe you are being disingenious with your line of questioning and you are just genuinely unfamiliar with a lot of what people are talking about. That's fine.

This isn't a lecture hall on racial history in the united states. Folks here can give you a gist, we can give you a starting point. Some of the more well read folks can prolly even recommend some reading (not me, all my knowledge is a mix of random articles i can't remember where they were, and the wikipedia rabbit hole). If you're genuinely just uneducated on these things, now is the time to educate yourself, but playing 20 questions in this topic will only get you so far before nobody believes you aren't being disingenuous and everybody stops trying.

dioxxys posted...

Not crazy about shock the monkey but I got to agree with them on this one the UK definition a penis is required to rape is stupid

If hes actually asked me my view Id have said the same thing but he had to go off on one

Ruvan22 posted...

Most welcome - systemic racism in policing started this, did my brief definition make sense?

It made sense but it still came across as my original perception of it?

I don't want to bug you and the other users too much "asking 20 questions" so I'll try to do some of my own research .

I'm starting to get to the end of my attention span anyway.

Thanks again

dioxxys posted...

It made sense but it still came across as my original perception of it?

I don't want to bug you and the other users too much "asking 20 questions" so I'll try to do some of my own research .

I'm starting to get to the end of my attention span anyway.

Thanks again

Briefly, your original perception (if I remember your post correctly) focused on intention - police actively going after minorities because they are asked to - the distinction being made is how unintentional things play as big (or even bigger) role. A few examples off the top of my head:
*A black person wearing a hoodie being perceived differently and thus "more suspicious"
*Police training/guidelines focusing on looking for specific locations etc (i.e. "we need to patrol more in the inner city")
*Unconscious racial bias not being addressed
*Harsher sentences that lead to the next person reading their file having a worse perception