Current Events > Kyle Rittenhouse celebrates 20th bday and thanks the 2nd amendment

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FAQ-Checker posted...

Im saying the police never should have left the door. And even after that fuck up, any one of those officers could have easily pulled her down. The window break wasnt an instantaneous act. There was an opportunity to pull her down.

It's real fucking easy to say this shit in hindsight. The number of cops at the Capitol were deliberately low and there was much worse shit happening elsewhere at the building at the time. The door in question had been barricaded with furniture from the other side and 2 cops were already there.

Additionally, if cops had to act on the crowd, and the crowd suddenly became violent as a result of that act, the cops would be outnumbered and likely killed.

It is Ashlii's responsibility alone to not break the fucking law.

superman_2000 posted...

How is he a troll?

Well that's the easiest one of all to answer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yn5t61/rittenhouse_selfowns_himself_on_twitter/

Capitalizing on his own allegedly emotional acquittal to mock Twitter employees getting fired. And it's not the first time he's done that kind of thing.

I won't presume to know what kind of fucked-up effect that has on the mind of a high school-aged person who is now only 20, but I'm sure it isn't helped by being demonized all over the media.

Nor is helped by him being a right-wing media hero making appearances on Fox and at conservative conventions, but apparently those people are... not responsible?

Nothing you said here contradicts anything I said.

Wasn't my intention. Just a reminder of what's important that you're in the habit of casually brushing aside.

My point has been (and still is) that Kyle was justified to use the gun against physically confrontational strangers whose intentions could not be known. It would have been best if Kyle had not known up at all, or at least had shown up without a gun (I don't know why a 17-year-old has a gun in the first place), but the fact remains that none of that would have even mattered if people hadn't attacked him first.

I feel like you're just kind of gazing past this like it isn't a critical element of the event.

The courts may have decided that wasn't important, but in the court of public opinion, no such pass.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's real fucking easy to say this shit in hindsight. The number of cops at the Capitol were deliberately low and there was much worse shit happening elsewhere at the building at the time. The door in question had been barricaded with furniture from the other side and 2 cops were already there.

Im going to dispute that too. Because those cops didnt run off like they were going to deal with something else in the building. They just confusingly floated away from the door. It was a fuck up. And that fuck up has largely been ignored because everyone was so focused on whether the Secret Service member should have shot.

GranolaPanic posted...

You know who else was demonized by conservative media? Greta Thunberg. Shes received death threats, rape threats and the former President had a feud with her when she was 15. Yet shes a well adjusted young woman now.

And I commend her for that.

Kyle said himself he wanted privacy. But that changed because he discovered he could make a fortune being a grifter.

What is his grift, exactly? Like, what ideology is he selling? What harm is he posing to society?

He's not capitalizing off the left demonizing him.

He's capitalizing off the right using him to further right-wing policy.

More like Ryle Kittenhouse

Nowadays even the babies got guns

dude should just stop at 20

GranolaPanic posted...

By profiting off his notoriety. You dont claim you want privacy and a normal life then join in on the right wing grift.

Hes doing advertisements for the NRA, has a model of gun named after him, has his own video game, a clothing line and more. Did you know hes sold NFTs of his crying face?

That's...not really grifting though? Like sure, he's definitely not behaving as someone who wants to be left alone (which I imagine is something he said early on, then changed his mind about once the dollar signs appeared). But from what you said here, he's not some swindling con artist; it sounds like he's just taking advantage of opportunity as it comes, and it's probably making him lots of money. Perhaps not the most savory way to make a living, but all in all, pretty harmless unless you have a hate-boner for the guy.

How did a minor acquire an AR-15?

ViewtifulGrave posted...

How did a minor acquire an AR-15?

Someone bought it for him

Im all for the second amendment, but Im pretty sure it doesnt give you a pass to go out looking for people to shoot.

Zikten posted...

It doesn't matter the details. He started a fight by going there. He should have stayed home

So you're saying that everybody who was there started a fight by just going there?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Yes. Why are you asking dumb and leading questions when you clearly have an agenda? Drop the act

Do you have any actual video evidence of this claim?

FAQ-Checker posted...

Yep, and Gaige Grosskreutz getting his arm blown off proves its unwise to carry a gun and not use it. Gaiges mistake was not firing, unlike Rittenhouse who didnt hesitate.

He tried to fire but Kyle shot him before he could.

Zikten posted...

I can't speak on each single officer on that day. But some of the cops from that riot have said they chose to be passive because they were convinced the crowd was going to kill them if they tried to resist

That's why we see footage of cops sometimes looking like they are just letting people in. And maybe some of the rioters didn't understand how scared the cops were and legit believed the cops were on their side

Hence all the quotes later from rioters who said things like "those cops waved us on in with smiles"

They lied.

CyricZ posted...

Well that's the easiest one of all to answer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/yn5t61/rittenhouse_selfowns_himself_on_twitter/

Capitalizing on his own allegedly emotional acquittal to mock Twitter employees getting fired. And it's not the first time he's done that kind of thing.

Is this not clearly self-deprecation?

Nor is helped by him being a right-wing media hero making appearances on Fox and at conservative conventions, but apparently those people are... not responsible?

What exactly is a right-wing hero, and what makes it innately bad?

Wasn't my intention. Just a reminder of what's important that you're in the habit of casually brushing aside.

I feel like you're just kind of gazing past this like it isn't a critical element of the event.

The courts may have decided that wasn't important, but in the court of public opinion, no such pass.

Since it all went down when he was only 17, shouldnt we be scrutinizing the parents more than Kyle himself? What went on in the household to make Kyle even think it was okay to play supercop? I dont think Kyle is an admirable figure; I just think his response to the violence imposed on him was justified, and his subsequent actions (from what you guys have described) arent nearly as bad as you make them seem.

Honestly, I think a lot of people based their hatred of the guy on misinformation, but instead of updating their beliefs once the misinformation got debunked, they simply looked for new reasons to rationalize their hatred.

superman_2000 posted...

Honestly, I think a lot of people based their hatred of the guy on misinformation, but instead of updating their beliefs once the misinformation got debunked, they simply looked for new reasons to rationalize their hatred.

Nah, dude is still a ****.

Heineken14 posted...

Nah, dude is still a ****.

Sure, but not nearly as much as some of you exaggerate.

superman_2000 posted...

Honestly, I think a lot of people based their hatred of the guy on misinformation, but instead of updating their beliefs once the misinformation got debunked, they simply looked for new reasons to rationalize their hatred.

Maybe Or, got more information and still hate him He is kind of piece of shit Even sone of the people saying he was justified say so The problem is whether it was self-defense or not isnt the only reason people dislike him. Some dont even care about him killing those guys. Who he aligned himself with after is a big part, for example Some people also dont like that he was there for no reason. Or illegally had a gun that someone else had to purchase for him Thats some of the extra information which actually gave some people more reason to hate him, tbh

Being a dumbass counter protestor doesn't entitle the other side to chase you with guns and bats and aim the gun at you. Who the fuck actually thinks he should have been charged. The hell...

Makes sense that the right wing looks up to anyone that can kill and get away with it.

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe Or, got more information and still hate him He is kind of piece of shit Even sone of the people saying he was justified say so The problem is whether it was self-defense or not isnt the only reason people dislike him. Some dont even care about him killing those guys. Who he aligned himself with after is a big part, for example Some people also dont like that he was there for no reason. Or illegally had a gun that someone else had to purchase for him Thats some of the extra information which actually gave some people more reason to hate him, tbh

These are all pretty weak reasons to hate someone. "You associate with people I don't like, so I HATE YOU. You illegally had a gun, so I HATE YOU. You showed up at the protest with problematic energy, so I HATE YOU."

Revelation34 posted...

So you're saying that everybody who was there started a fight by just going there?

Do you have any actual video evidence of this claim?

He tried to fire but Kyle shot him before he could.

They lied.

He was there with a loaded gun. Thats in the videos

superman_2000 posted...

You associate with people I don't like, so I HATE YOU.

A not-so-subtle way of trying to gloss over how awful those associates might be.

Sphyx posted...

A not-so-subtle way of trying to gloss over how awful those associates might be.

How awful are they, and what is the specific nature of Kyle's relationship with them?

Kami_no_Kami posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/8/AASfTXAAEDrW.jpg

I work at a bank and have customers on several instances have to bring up in conversation that they have a gun.

That or they think their FOID card serves as acceptable primary ID.

Hold up... Insisting on specific details after relying on a generalisation to avoid specifics details?

No dice, Jim Rice.

Sphyx posted...

Hold up... Insisting on specific details after relying on a generalisation to avoid specifics details?

No dice, Jim Rice.

lol Yeah okay, sure. Gonna go out on a limb and say those associates either arent as unsavory as you say, or Kyle isnt as close to them as you claim. Or maybe both?

Revelation34 posted...

They lied

We have video of cops almost dying. They were in danger for sure

And no, liberal protestors at a liberal protest have a right to be there. A conservative child should have stayed home

Kyle definitely should have stayed home.

I've made no such claims.

Simply calling you out on trying to pretend the awfulness of a person's associates isn't part of the equation.

Sphyx posted...

I've made no such claims.

Simply calling you out on trying to pretend the awfulness of a person's associates isn't part of the equation.

Even then, simply having an awful associate doesnt necessarily tell the whole story. So if you cant answer my question, just say so.

superman_2000 posted...

Even then, simply having an awful associate doesnt necessarily tell the whole story. So if you cant answer my question, just say so.

All the evidence pointing in the same direction is definitely indicative though. You refusing to acknowledge that doesnt change anything

Kloe_Rinz posted...

All the evidence pointing in the same direction is definitely indicative though. You refusing to acknowledge that doesnt change anything

Evidence of what?

I have never said it was the whole story.

You, on the other hand, are trying to skip the chapters that don't suit you.

superman_2000 posted...

These are all pretty weak reasons to hate someone. "You associate with people I don't like, so I HATE YOU. You illegally had a gun, so I HATE YOU. You showed up at the protest with problematic energy, so I HATE YOU."

Maybe they are weak reasons to you. But thats doesnt mean they are weak reasons to everybody. For example, if someone aligned themselves with people who hate gay people, I think it would be perfectly acceptable for me to hate them if I wanted to Sounds like youre gatekeeping at this point We cant hate somebody unless you think our reasons our valid In the end, if does change what I said. People can have whatever reasons they want to hate him. Just because those reasons arent enough for you means absolutely nothing

Sphyx posted...

I have never said it was the whole story.

You, on the other hand, are trying to skip the chapters that don't suit you.

Im not skipping anything. On the contrary, I asked you to clarify the associates and Kyles relationship to them. You replied with snark.

LinkPizza posted...

Maybe they are weak reasons to you. But thats doesnt mean they are weak reasons to everybody. For example, if someone aligned themselves with people who hate gay people, I think it would be perfectly acceptable for me to hate them if I wanted to Sounds like youre gatekeeping at this point We cant hate somebody unless you think our reasons our valid In the end, if does change what I said. People can have whatever reasons they want to hate him. Just because those reasons arent enough for you means absolutely nothing

So basically, everything is subjective.

If we cant at least set reasonable criteria for what deserves outright scorn and hatred, then theres no point in even discussing this stuff. Thats why Im curious as to who the specific associates are in this case, and what Kyles relationship with them is.

superman_2000 posted...

Is this not clearly self-deprecation?

Usually self deprecation doesn't target someone else. He was mocking fired Twitter employees.

What exactly is a right-wing hero, and what makes it innately bad?

Do we need to go into details on how the American right wing are a fascist hate group?

Yes, you are.

And I have good reason to be snarky.

The point you're unwilling to let go of is one you yourself are trying to render invalid.

Sphyx posted...

Yes, you are.

And I have good reason to be snarky.

The point you're unwilling to let go of is one you yourself are trying to render invalid.

At this point, I dont even know what youre talking about and this conversation feels like its going nowhere. So, I hereby bow out.

StAte LiNEs

superman_2000 posted...

So basically, everything is subjective.

If we cant at least set reasonable criteria for what deserves outright scorn and hatred, then theres no point in even discussing this stuff. Thats why Im curious as to who the specific associates are in this case, and what Kyles relationship with them is.

You act like it being subjective is something we didnt know about? Obviously, its subjective That why some people hate him, and some dont

And we dont need to set a criteria for what deserves scorn and hatred because people hate different things. If you dont hate him, thats fine. Nobody is telling you to hate him. But you dont get to tell other people that they shouldnt hate them because you dont think they should The fact that he has a friendly relationship with them is all that matters. He was seen as being a part of those groups that promote hate. Why does his specific relationship matter? It doesnt. Youre trying to act like him being nice with hate groups os fine as long as the relationship isnt as thick or something. The fact that hes friendly with hate groups in any capacity is bad. Thats all that matters

superman_2000 posted...

Evidence of what?

Him walking around with a loaded assault rifle at the protest and then killing people and then his actions afterwards and on social media

CyricZ posted...

I didn't ignore the first thing you said. I just wanted you to explain it more thoroughly.

And then you got really defensive about that. I found that intriguing.

"Why would a person say such a thing?" I asked myself, having already dealt with people who say such things.

Either you're a person who thinks it's a good thing that Kyle killed that man because he was a sex criminal.

Or you feel a person isn't worth their humanity once they become a sex criminal.

Which is it?

You got angry and defensive when I asked you what you thought about it, and you keep getting angry every time I question your weird troll stuff. Why do you keep calling him a sex criminal? He's a pedo. You can call him a pedo. Why do you think a pedo is worth their humanity after they rape a kid? Or do you not and you're just doing your weird troll leading stuff again? Can't wait for you to ignore me again.

Because you are trying to derail the topic away from Kyle by implying that it was fine for him to parade around with a loaded assault rifle antagonising people into attacking him so that he could create a legal scenario to kill them. And you think that is perfectly OK because one of them just happened to be a pedo.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

He was there with a loaded gun. Thats in the videos

You said he was going around picking fights. Show the video evidence of this claim.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Because you are trying to derail the topic away from Kyle by implying that it was fine for him to parade around with a loaded assault rifle antagonising people into attacking him so that he could create a legal scenario to kill them. And you think that is perfectly OK because one of them just happened to be a pedo.

I didn't say any of that stop trolling and read my posts

He didn't have an assault rifle. Don't spread misinformation