Current Events > Avatar the Way of the Water is better than the first in every way

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I watched the first one for the first time recently and thought it was pretty boring.

The way of the water is better in every way. The water creatures look much better artistically than the forest ones which just looked super plasticky

It is easily the best visuals in a movie ever. The second half is much better than the first. The family dynamics are cute. Some great action towards the end

There still isnt a great character in these movies. Jake sullivan and evil colonel dude are the one-two punch of worst protagonist-antahonist in a big budget movie. Jake sullivan somehow went from guy on a wheel chair to blue alien with alien family and still isn't interesting...but better than before. Neytiri sort of had a downgrade in personality (also zoe's distant second best alien). Sigourney weaver jr exists to smile and wave hands at beautiful cgi.

I get why these movies are popular. They arent anyones favorite movie ever but a good cinema experience...and depending on your setup at home, a good experience only at cinemas.

I may sound more negative on it than I actually am and the connection to nature and family worked much better here. I think I land at an 8/10. Though I will say I dont think James Cameron made a better movie than the annual capeshit that him and his fans complain about

Gotta hard disagree, found this one boring compared to the first. The stakes felt lower, plus there were way too many swimming with fish scenes that dragged the whole runtime down. Dont even get me started on the kids repeatedly being used as a plot device.

This one was just really dumb. Jake Sully left command to some other blue alien who undoubtedly kept fighting the human settlers, blowing up trains etc. Yet they sent their super special clone forces after a guy who stopped being a threat.

kiri jelly fish wings

were those jellyfish btw that is what they looked like to me

Jagus posted...

Gotta hard disagree, found this one boring compared to the first. The stakes felt lower, plus there were way too many swimming with fish scenes that dragged the whole runtime down. Dont even get me started on the kids repeatedly being used as a plot device.

We're on different islands here. You're forest tribe and Im water tribe. The stakes felt lower because they are but thats not a bad thing, higher stakes doesnt mean better movie/story, I think media shouldnt be forced to up the stakes in every entry.

Yes there is a lot of swimming and fishes which did drag on, I wont disagree but it was pretty Ns fhe original avatar also had moments solely to show how much james cameron worked cgi workers

I also agree with the kids part but lets not act like both movies use the most basic plot tricks and the minimal amount of story required.

The dialogue in this movie is much better, maybe because theres less of it for more focus on beautiful fishies

I just still don't understand how we get these nothingburger characters

Is there any way to stream this yet? I don't go to the movies

Disagree.

How can a movie only be worth watching in a theatre? That sounds...like a bad movie...

scar_the_1 posted...

This one was just really dumb. Jake Sully left command to some other blue alien who undoubtedly kept fighting the human settlers, blowing up trains etc. Yet they sent their super special clone forces after a guy who stopped being a threat.

This is a legit question I had as well. That or the humans really did come just for jake which is equally dumb

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I mean theyve literally been given 0 heroic oe good qualities. Cameron made this a black and white conflict. Hes never shown earth and they straight up say they are destroying shit for economic reasons. Pretty sure those are terrible people and cameron didnt put enough character work to make the humans anything other than terrible people

Blue_Popo posted...

This is a legit question I had as well. That or the humans really did come just for jake which is equally dumb

Its not unusual to hunt down terrorist leaders. We did the same to Osama bin Laden after all.

refmon posted...

I just still don't understand how we get these nothingburger characters

I do. The world rewarded james cameron for it, so why would he. At this point character development can only hurt the movies box office, general audiences go there for the pretty visuals

WingsOfGood posted...

How can a movie only be worth watching in a theatre? That sounds...like a bad movie...

Im not even going to disagree with you. All Im saying is I enjoyed it and if someone doesnt have a great set up at home, they may not even enjoy it. If you watch it on a laptop or your phone you may not even like it at all

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I wouldnt concern myself with a vocal terrible minority

scar_the_1 posted...

This one was just really dumb. Jake Sully left command to some other blue alien who undoubtedly kept fighting the human settlers, blowing up trains etc. Yet they sent their super special clone forces after a guy who stopped being a threat.

I'm confused on why they went with Quaritch. He fucked up BIG and was the primary reason humans were cast off the planet in the first place, despite their overwhelming technological advantage. Then of course as the second movie shows he once again cost them huge losses in dead avatars as well as their immortality.

GuerillaGorilla posted...

I'm confused on why they went with Quaritch. He fucked up BIG and was the primary reason humans were cast off the planet in the first place, despite their overwhelming technological advantage. Then of course as the second movie shows he once again cost them huge losses in dead avatars as well as their immortality.

That and he was the worst generic villain in a major movie. People complain about early mcu villains but all are better rhan him. Also randomly he had a kid and ofcourse that kid was stuck with thr people that killed him's family

LeoRavus posted...

Is there any way to stream this yet? I don't go to the movies

Like the first, this is not a movie worth seeing on your laptop or 43 inch TCL tv.

See it in the theater or save your time. It's a beautiful visual experience with a C- plot to keep you rooting for something.

Just don't bother if you aren't going to go see it on a sick massive IMAX or whatever theater screen.

Cliche as it is, I like villains like the general guy cuz he feels like he could/does exist. Its rare to see the army portrayed negatively in movies so its refreshing to me.

I liked the stuff with his kid because aside from the plot role, it humanized both of them. Its a conflicted relationship.

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I mean there are people who unironically think its awesome we slaughtered native Americans and took their land.

In fairness to the movie though in the extended cut their are some scenes that give you more context from the humans perspective that makes them look less bad. Still the bad guys but not nearly as cartoonishly evil as the theatric cut.

TaylorHeinicke posted...

Like the first, this is not a movie worth seeing on your laptop or 43 inch TCL tv.

See it in the theater or save your time. It's a beautiful visual experience with a C- plot to keep you rooting for something.

Just don't bother if you aren't going to go see it on a sick massive IMAX or whatever theater screen.

I may agree with this. Avatar 1 is not worth seeing at home. I do think this may be enjoyable enough at home, it has some fine enough plot moments but 1/3 of it is just kids playing with fish

Shadow_Don posted...

I mean there are people who unironically think its awesome we slaughtered native Americans and took their land.

In fairness to the movie though in the extended cut their are some scenes that give you more context from the humans perspective that makes them look less bad. Still the bad guys but not nearly as cartoonishly evil as the theatric cut.

Is this on disney plus because i saw 1 and it did no such thing

I wish theyd show this earth with no plant life

Blue_Popo posted...

Is this on disney plus because i saw 1 and it did no such thing

I wish theyd show this earth with no plant life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1JeQnnMRE

Shadow_Don posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh1JeQnnMRE

Interesting but man, jake sully will forever be one of the worst main characters ever

Jake Sully felt like a secondary character in this movie. The focus was clearly on his kids.

mybbqrules posted...

Jake Sully felt like a secondary character in this movie. The focus was clearly on his kids.

Eh maybe. The two boys were fine but identical, sigourney weaver jr existed to play with chi creatures, other was too young too contribute