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Damn_Underscore 12/19/22 11:42:56 AM #1: |
Did they not think of Dragon type until the very very end and then include only 3 dragon Pokemon --- ...to make my way in the world as a music man ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 12/19/22 11:43:54 AM #2: |
Part carp, part kite. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElleRagu 12/19/22 11:44:39 AM #3: |
considering they also only made a single dragon type move, i'm inclined to say that yes, they did come up with the type at the last minute --- MARTIAL ARTS LANGUAGE COMMENCES ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatAnimeBooty 12/19/22 11:46:03 AM #5: |
Water/Dragon would have been too broken ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TaylorHeinicke 12/19/22 11:48:18 AM #6: |
im surprised its mega wasn't water/dragon but maybe they didnt want to make another gen 1 dragon mega after giving charizard that treatment --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 12/19/22 11:55:16 AM #7: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's otherwise a pretty solid typing. Flying gives it weaknesses to electric (4x!) and rock, but also an immunity to ground and resists to Fighting and Bug and negating its grass weakness, while Water negates its ice weakness. Combined with its water-typing, this gives a Ground immunity and resistances to Fighting, Bug, Fire, Water, and Steel. Combined with its excellent Intimidate ability, this makes it pretty resilient towards physical attacks in general despite its mediocre base 79 defense. Combined with 95 base HP and 100 Sp. Def, it's a pretty durable 'mon that can nonetheless hit hard and has enough speed to utilize Dragon Dance very well. And it actually has a great physical movepool. Crunch is an obvious choice if you plan on Mega-Evolving it, but there's also Stone Edge, Earthquake, Waterfall, Outrage, Dragon Tail, and Iron Head. FatAnimeBooty posted... Water/Dragon would have been too brokenKingdra isn't exactly a world beater though. --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 12/19/22 11:56:11 AM #8: |
FatAnimeBooty posted... Water/Dragon would have been too brokenThis. In Gen 1, the combo effectively had no weaknesses, because the only Dragon move back then only ever always dealt 40 damage. --- 11/8/2022 - The day the Blue Wall intercepted the Red Wave. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Payzmaykr 12/19/22 11:57:16 AM #9: |
FatAnimeBooty posted... Water/Dragon would have been too brokenHow about just single elemental water? I just always thought the flying didnt fit. Did they ever make Charizard Fire/Flying? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatAnimeBooty 12/19/22 11:58:29 AM #11: |
ElatedVenusaur posted... Kingdra isn't exactly a world beater though.Kingdra wasn't in gen 1. There were better ways to deal with dragon by then. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonTentacles 12/19/22 11:58:59 AM #12: |
I like how its best moves are Crunch and Earthquake, neither of which gives it STAB --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatAnimeBooty 12/19/22 11:59:29 AM #13: |
NeonTentacles posted... I like how its best moves are Crunch and Earthquake, neither of which gives it STABNo way, it's best move is dragon dance! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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frozenstar 12/19/22 12:00:38 PM #14: |
Payzmaykr posted... Did they ever make Charizard Fire/Flying?yes? lol --- Just a dead, cold, round ball in the middle of nowhere. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Compsognathus 12/19/22 12:12:29 PM #16: |
A 4x Electric weakness is a good trade for an immunity. I think what Gyarados is really missing is an actual flying move worth a damn. --- *Gheb is my other account* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 12/19/22 12:16:26 PM #17: |
Solar_Crimson posted... This. In Gen 1, the combo effectively had no weaknesses, because the only Dragon move back then only ever always dealt 40 damage.This. Without the Flying type to give it some vulnerabilities, Gen 1 Gyarados would have been Mewtwo-tier. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 12/19/22 12:20:18 PM #18: |
TMOG posted... This.Not really, no. Tauros would have still mopped Gyarados quite readily. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Neoconkers 12/19/22 12:27:01 PM #19: |
TMOG posted... This.remove the flying type, you remove the immunity to earthquake - its key way to switch into a battle. and while gen 1 Gyarados has some excellent attacking stats and movepool, and a decent special to handle defence on that side, it isn't particularly impressive for physical defence. It'd still be good, but it would be just another name on a long list of "pokemon that can only really work once you've beaten the opponent's Tauros" --- . ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonTentacles 12/19/22 12:27:39 PM #20: |
Does Gyarados get any good moves that give it flying STAB besides the awful Bounce? --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 12/19/22 12:30:02 PM #21: |
ellis123 posted... Not really, no. Tauros would have still mopped Gyarados quite readily.And Slowbro can beat Mewtwo Being Mewtwo-tier doesn't mean you don't have specific counters, just that you're powerful enough that your opponent NEEDS those specific counters or they don't have a chance of winning. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TaylorHeinicke 12/19/22 12:31:08 PM #22: |
NeonTentacles posted... Does Gyarados get any good moves that give it flying STAB besides the awful Bounce?Just Hurricane (useless because it's Special), but it could also use Tera Blast if terraformed --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 12/19/22 12:31:44 PM #23: |
its a big long fish with wings basically... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 12/19/22 12:32:56 PM #24: |
Neoconkers posted... and while gen 1 Gyarados has some excellent attacking stats and movepool, and a decent special to handle defence on that side, it isn't particularly impressive for physical defence.79 base Defense and 95 base HP is pretty solid when you're running on literally zero type weaknesses. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 12/19/22 12:33:10 PM #25: |
NeonTentacles posted... Does Gyarados get any good moves that give it flying STAB besides the awful Bounce?Hidden power flying in generation 3 is it. It never got another physical flying move in any game aside from that and bounce I believe. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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geno_16 12/19/22 12:34:23 PM #27: |
FatAnimeBooty posted... Kingdra wasn't in gen 1.Not really. Water/Dragon only had a weekness to Dragon until Fairy was introduced, and Gen 2 only had three damage dealing Dragon moves (not counting Dragon Rage); Twister, Dragonbreath and Outrage; all of which had poor distribution ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 12/19/22 12:38:27 PM #28: |
geno_16 posted... Not really. Water/Dragon only had a weekness to Dragon until Fairy was introduced, and Gen 2 only had three damage dealing Dragon moves (not counting Dragon Rage); Twister, Dragonbreath and Outrage; all of which had poor distributionNot to mention that offensive Dragon moves were rarely seen on anything that wasn't Dragon type anyway (so basically Kingdra and Dragonite in Gen 2) because while Dragon is great defensively, it's kind of terrible offensively since it's only SE against itself. Pretty much anything in Gen 2 that could learn a Dragon attack had better things to do with their moveset. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 12/19/22 12:41:40 PM #29: |
Because back when Gen 1 came out, they kind of made up the Dragon Type for the singular purpose of being the super-endgame boss. If you want a Dragonite during the main game, you can use it, but you have to go well out of your way, either being a Game Corner Prize, or Fishing in the safari Zone, neither of which actually tells you anything about its value in battle. And add to that, Dratini is... horrible in-game. And even if you're training one, there aren't many pokemon with Ice-Type moves until you face Lorelei in the Elite 4, so you might not ever learn what Dragon's actual weaknesses are until its basically too late to do something about it. So really, the first time you'll encounter a dragon type will likely be Lance at (what you think) is the very end of the game, with hard hitting monsters that resist whatever you're starter's (which is probably your best pokemon) biggest STAB move. Because it's basically making up a type for the final battle, you probably have no idea how to deal with it. It makes Lance a great "final boss" before the twist of a bonus rival battle at the end. Slapping Dragon type on Gyarados and/or Charizard would hurt that. In addition to flying being a much weaker type and making the respective pokemon fit more with the power level of the rest of the pokemon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 12/19/22 12:51:41 PM #30: |
Payzmaykr posted... Did they ever make Charizard Fire/Flying?Back in gen 1 and every gen since, yeah. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pojr 12/19/22 1:04:46 PM #31: |
for the record, yes dragon/water is prettty busted, but that is most likely not why nintendo made gyrados water/flying. they made him water/flying because of chinese mythology --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pojr 12/19/22 1:16:24 PM #33: |
Makeveli_lives posted... Mega G-Dos was Water/Dragon and saw little competitive play after the first month or two.mega gyarados is water/dark. he was never water/dragon. --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 12/19/22 1:24:08 PM #34: |
pojr posted... mega gyarados is water/dark. he was never water/dragon.My mistake. Deleted my post to save face so you should do the same >_> --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/19/22 1:33:54 PM #35: |
Makeveli_lives posted... My mistake. Deleted my post to save face so you should do the same >_>FOREVER UNCLEAN --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PowerOats 12/19/22 1:36:46 PM #36: |
They need to bring back megas There's like 3 dozen Pokemon who deserve one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonTentacles 12/19/22 1:38:52 PM #37: |
Makeveli_lives posted... My mistake. Deleted my post to save face so you should do the same >_>sucks brah --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TaylorHeinicke 12/19/22 1:48:09 PM #38: |
Makeveli_lives posted... My mistake. Deleted my post to save face so you should do the same >_>rookie mistake --- St. Louis Battlehawks (1-1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 12/19/22 1:58:41 PM #39: |
DrizztLink posted... FOREVER UNCLEAN TaylorHeinicke posted... rookie mistake NeonTentacles posted... sucks brahYall suck --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Yahtz09 12/19/22 1:59:23 PM #40: |
ZevLoveDOOM posted... its a big long fish with wings basically...Gyarados doesnt have wings. --- Arkansas Razorbacks || Oklahoma City Thunder || Cleveland Sports ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pojr 12/19/22 3:50:58 PM #41: |
Makeveli_lives posted... My mistake. Deleted my post to save face so you should do the same >_>Lol I deleted mine too, I didn't see this until now. Hopefully I didn't come off like an asshole or anything lol. --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 12/19/22 3:57:27 PM #42: |
You're good pojr. I'll tag the other appropriately though haha --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 12/19/22 3:58:34 PM #43: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] yeah even a pikachu will destroy a gyarados --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/19/22 5:27:40 PM #44: |
Makeveli_lives posted... You're good pojr. I'll tag the other appropriately though haha --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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