Current Events > Should religious people be treated like flat earthers?

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Sufferedphoneix posted...

No flat earth can and has been scientifically disproved. Religion can neither be proved of disproved.

The existence of God may not be able to be disproved. But many many things in religion and the Bible can and have absolutely been disproved.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

thats not what this topic is about. the topic is about what is dumber, flat earth or religion. and its heavily leaning towards an answer you dont like

The answer I don't like? I'm neither religious or a flat earthen so which one is the one I don't like?

Ar0ge posted...

The existence of God may not be able to be disproved. But many many things in religion and the Bible can and have absolutely been disproved.

Did this ever specify a particular religion?

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I'm neither religious or a flat earthen so which one is the one I don't like?

the idea that religion is dumber than the flat earth theory

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the idea that religion is dumber than the flat earth theory

It isn't. As said can be disproven the other can't.

All it takes is a simple question. How did all this just appear out of nowhere? Such a thought is all it takes to start the idea of a God.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

It isn't. As said can be disproven the other can't.

Again, a dumb justification. It's clear you dislike the notion that religion is dumber than the flat earth theory.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Again, a dumb justification. It's clear you dislike the notion that religion is dumber than the flat earth theory.

Just sounds dumb to me that someone thinks it's dumb to think that something that is easily disproven is better than something that's not.

Sounds like you just hate religion. Which I do myself to a degree.

Why is it considered edgy to not believe in a religion?

Its literally the default position.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Just sounds dumb to me that someone thinks it's dumb to think that something that is easily disproven is better than something that's not.

Sounds like you just hate religion. Which I do myself to a degree.

youre failing to understand this at all. People believe in the flat earth theory based on something they have observed. Yes its easily proven false, that doesnt change the fact that they had grounds to start a discussion. The only reason people believe in a religion is faith, I.e. they have no grounds to start a discussion and there is nothing presented by them to disprove to begin with. For that reason, religion is dumber. When they can present something quantifiable, then maybe it will be equally as dumb as the flat earth theory instead of dumber. Maybe. But that isnt going to happen.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

youre failing to understand this at all. People believe in the flat earth theory based on something they have observed. Yes its easily proven false, that doesnt change the fact that they had grounds to start a discussion. The only reason people believe in a religion is faith, I.e. they have no grounds to start a discussion and there is nothing presented by them to disprove to begin with. For that reason, religion is dumber. When they can present something quantifiable, then maybe it will be equally as dumb as the flat earth theory instead of dumber. Maybe. But that isnt going to happen.

Backwards logic imo. I observed something that science easily disproves I have a argument! Vs people using religion to explain things that can't be explained period.

Ar0ge posted...

Why is it considered edgy to not believe in a religion?

Its literally the default position.

The "edgy/fedora/euphoric" responses is all they have.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I observed something that science easily disproves I have a argument! Vs people using religion to explain things that can't be explained period.

Yes, starting a discussion based on something observed is better than a belief backed by literally nothing

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Yes, starting a discussion based on something observed is better than a belief backed by literally nothing

It's backed by unexplainable things happening. As I mentioned earlier coincidences that seem to good to be true. Like me seemingly receiving messages that ultimately made me realize I had a problem and go to rehab

codey posted...

Man I haven't seen an edgy religion argument on here in a while.

I always want to make one but I feel like I'd just get modded for it.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

youre failing to understand this at all. People believe in the flat earth theory based on something they have observed. Yes its easily proven false, that doesnt change the fact that they had grounds to start a discussion. The only reason people believe in a religion is faith, I.e. they have no grounds to start a discussion and there is nothing presented by them to disprove to begin with. For that reason, religion is dumber. When they can present something quantifiable, then maybe it will be equally as dumb as the flat earth theory instead of dumber. Maybe. But that isnt going to happen.

you're attributing a lot of characteristics to religion as a whole that are really only attributable to christianity

Christmas season always brings the euphoria to the surface.

averagejoel posted...

you're attributing a lot of characteristics to religion as a whole that are really only attributable to christianity

Oh ok, what changes for Hinduism, Islam etc

Sufferedphoneix posted...

It's backed by unexplainable things happening. As I mentioned earlier coincidences that seem to good to be true. Like me seemingly receiving messages that ultimately made me realize I had a problem and go to rehab

Things happen is not a discussion point for religion.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

It's backed by unexplainable things happening. As I mentioned earlier coincidences that seem to good to be true. Like me seemingly receiving messages that ultimately made me realize I had a problem and go to rehab

Just because something is unexplainable doesn't mean you have to attribute it to God. That's just the God of the gaps. Volcanos erupting was unexplainable long ago... So people decided it must be the angry gods. Well now we have an explanation for it, and no one can continue to claim it's the gods.

How is any other unexplainable thing different? We may find an answer to those things in the future, and your God will have a smaller and smaller "gap" to fit in.

And, even if we never find an answer to something, it's perfectly fine to just say "I don't know".

based TC

only the most radical tier imo, like the "everything in the bible happened exactly as described including the ark and the dude who survived getting eaten by the sea monster and the world is only like 6969 years old" types. Plenty of religious people are not nearly that extreme and don't deserve to be grouped in with flat earthers.

Ar0ge posted...

Why is it considered edgy to not believe in a religion?

Its literally the default position.

There's a difference between "I don't believe in religion" and "I don't believe in religion and religious people should be ostracized." The latter is what is being argued here.

Garabandal posted...

There's a difference between "I don't believe in religion" and "I don't believe in religion and religious people should be ostracized." The latter is what is being argued here.

Maybe religious people shouldn't be ostracizing the LGBT and committing acts of terror

Lord_Shadow posted...

Maybe religious people shouldn't be ostracizing the LGBT and committing acts of terror

Not all religious people are doing that. You know there are LGBT Christians right?

Lord_Shadow posted...

Maybe religious people shouldn't be ostracizing the LGBT and committing acts of terror

Again, putting all religious people into one bubble. Non-Christians would be offended at this.

I know you care to some degree about religion, because otherwise you would ignore them and move on. With something like this, I suggest putting a modicum of research into all the different religions if you really can't tell the difference between them, otherwise you'll sound ignorant and hateful.

Sure most Christians aren't terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists in the US are white male Christians

I wouldn't care but they keep trying to take away reproductive rights they have their extremists on the Supreme Court and had one as VP who said there isn't a freedom from religion these people Should be ostracized for trying to impose thier Religious beliefs on the state

Ar0ge posted...

Why is it considered edgy to not believe in a religion?

Its literally the default position.

Because religious people hate having their beliefs questioned or having to question their beliefs themselves because it quickly reveals how ridiculous those beliefs are. Since their beliefs are fragile, they get extremely offended by the idea that they could be wrong, but they are afraid to examine them to evaluate them reasonably.

No, not all of them. Just the pushy, willfully ignorant fundy portions of them. Plenty of religious folks believe in science.

Flat earthers are a whole different breed of ignorance.

CreekCo posted...

Maybe just treat people like people

Bravo

"You can't prove God doesn't exist" is such a bad argument lol

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the idea that religion is dumber than the flat earth theory

Flat Earth isn't a theory. It's factually proven wrong.

Ar0ge posted...

Why is it considered edgy to not believe in a religion?

Its literally the default position.

It's more like questioning it and seeing if you can catch believers in a "gotcha" that looks pathetic.

Smashingpmkns posted...

"You can't prove God doesn't exist" is such a bad argument lol

Yep, there's a reason why people don't make unfalsifiable claims and then claim them to be true, because it's fucking stupid.

Irony posted...

Flat Earth isn't a theory. It's factually proven wrong.

No shit. There was never an argument ever presented at all to begin with for religion so theres nothing at all to prove wrong for it. Flat earth got to step 2 and failed. Religion cant even get to step 1

ITT: Logical positivism

Sure, if you just want to be an asshole.

Nothing wrong with being respectful of other's culture and/or religious beliefs.

No. Religion functions better because it treats the spiritual world as fundamentally different and separate from the material world. This allows theists to view scientific evidence accurately as long as it doesnt conflict with their religion (and even when it does, they can generally massage their religious views into agreeing with the evidence rather than discarding it altogether).

Flat-Earthers, by contrast, operate based on a verifiably incorrect belief and are constantly working backwards to defend their belief through faulty testing practices and through discarding empirical evidence. Any evidence, no matter how faulty, that supports their view is accepted and any evidence, no matter how valid, that disagrees with their view is incorrect.

In short, Theism isnt inherently an enemy of science, while Flat-Eartherism is.

I feel this way about communists.

bo_danvers posted...

Sure, if you just want to be an asshole.

Nothing wrong with being respectful of other's culture and/or religious beliefs.

Yet the religious are still trying to enforce their views onto the whole of America.