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TheHoldSteady
11/12/22 5:46:45 PM
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Recover and similar moves have all been reduced to 5PP.

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ColdOne666
11/12/22 5:48:07 PM
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Good, stall builds are horrible.

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ShotWaifu
11/12/22 5:48:35 PM
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Never understood the point of moves like those. You're just delaying the inevitable.
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Blue_Inigo
11/12/22 5:56:25 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Good, stall builds are horrible.
This

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NeonTentacles
11/12/22 5:57:45 PM
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Good. Stall builds are literal cancer

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random_man9119
11/12/22 5:58:13 PM
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Thank god...

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PowerOats
11/12/22 5:58:32 PM
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ShotWaifu posted...
Never understood the point of moves like those. You're just delaying the inevitable.


Delaying the inevitable to outlast the opponents inevitable demise ( like toxic)
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DoctorPiranha3
11/12/22 5:58:50 PM
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Gamefreak does something right?
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DeadBankerDream
11/12/22 5:59:45 PM
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Most of my favourite pokemon are stall oriented.

How do I sue Nintendo?

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Tmaster148
11/12/22 6:00:55 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Delaying the inevitable to outlast the opponents inevitable demise ( like toxic)

Not even just that. You are also stalling out an opposing pokemon's pp. Recover and Roost had more PP than a lot of strong sweeping moves meant you could easily outlast offensive threats especially if you had pressure.

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Srk700
11/12/22 6:11:49 PM
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ShotWaifu posted...
Never understood the point of moves like those. You're just delaying the inevitable.

On their own sure. But pair them with a hyper defensive pokemon that also has entry hazards up (and stuff like Toxic or moves like Roar/Whirlwind/etc.to force the opponent into taking damage from the hazards) and it can decimate a team that doesn't have an answer for said defensive Pokemon (or that answer has already been taken out).
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ChocoboMog123
11/12/22 6:18:19 PM
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The faster a Pokemon game is, the more it is subject to luck. Not just crits, burns, and misses, but also guessing what your opponent will do before you have data to make a prediction. Playing offense against offense is like playing 1 hand of poker and declaring a winner.

"Stall haters" are generally just impatient people who barely understand the game. You can already see people in this thread who don't understand the game on a basic level.
This doesn't just hurt "stall" teams, but also slow teams that set up for 1-2 sweepers, bulky offense, mixed teams, and a lot more. Will lowering PP really kill stall? I doubt it, the Slowbro line is looking scary with that U-turn Snow setter. But I wish GameFreaks would give slower pokemon more to hit back with when they make the right play. Need less Seismic Toss Chansey and more EQ Gligar or even bulky Garchomp. Cleff kinda fits in between, but Cleff can die in a fire precisely because it breaks stall in half. Giving slower pokes a set up might be a solution, but that eschews all the issues stall aims to avoid by increasing failure states from RNG (crits, status, misses, flinch).

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Trumpo
11/12/22 6:19:12 PM
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RIP Funbro

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Evening_Dragon
11/14/22 3:41:56 PM
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ShotWaifu posted...
Never understood the point of moves like those. You're just delaying the inevitable.

Nah, an extra turn on toxic, or reading a pivot, can make all the difference. But having to wait 16 fucking turns for something to die by single digit percentages is awful and this change is great.

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TaylorHeinicke
11/14/22 3:43:55 PM
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5 PP is 8 PP tho basically right

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electricbugs2
11/14/22 3:51:45 PM
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Thank Christ. Dont really play the modern Pokmon games but Ive been playing Crystal lately and recover spam is the worst thing ever.

Its not like they took out walls, and PP Ups probably still exist.

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viewmaster_pi
11/14/22 3:52:49 PM
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electricbugs2 posted...
PP Ups probably still exist.
they aren't getting rid of gardevoir any time soon

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NonDairyMiltank
11/14/22 3:53:13 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Good, stall builds are horrible.


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electricbugs2
11/14/22 3:53:34 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
they aren't getting rid of gardevoir any time soon
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dioxxys
11/14/22 3:53:48 PM
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TaylorHeinicke posted...
5 PP is 8 PP tho basically right
yes

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Tyranthraxus
11/14/22 3:54:55 PM
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RIP temp6t

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jimbiz
11/14/22 3:54:55 PM
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Meh people hate stall teams because they want to use Uga buga teams instead of relying on strategy

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dioxxys
11/14/22 3:56:00 PM
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Im more upset they took toxic, scald and knock off away from a bunch of mons.

Like the only reliable damage some mons like Hippodon had was toxic forget the slack off nerf lol.

Then taking away knock off from literal dark mons? Weavile isnt going to have knock off lol.

I do like the regenerator nerf tho
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jimbiz
11/14/22 3:59:51 PM
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dioxxys posted...
Im more upset they took toxic, scald and knock off away from a bunch of mons.

Like the only reliable damage some mons like Hippodon had was toxic forget the slack off nerf lol.

Then taking away knock off from literal dark mons? Weavile isnt going to have knock off lol.

I do like the regenerator nerf tho
I stopped playing competitive Pokmon in a long time but thats fucking stupi.

Seems like GameFreaks really trying to appeal to the casuals and fucking over the competitive scene

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pikachupwnage
11/14/22 4:03:39 PM
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jimbiz posted...
Meh people hate stall teams because they want to use Uga buga teams instead of relying on strategy

I think its more wanting battles to not take an hour.

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deathproof12
11/14/22 4:07:57 PM
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A lot of offensive moves and abilities got nerfed hard so it kind of balances out

Most mons can't get knock off anymore. It's been the most broken widely available offensive more for the past 3 gens or so and now it's basically gone.

Zacians forms got nerfed hard. Zacian-Crowned was 2nd only to RBY Mewtwo in brokenness... not so much anymore.

Greninja and Cinerance got nerfed hard
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