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RustyFerret
11/08/22 12:15:25 PM
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DoesntMatter posted...
i don't think this makes as much of a difference as they think it does. it doesn't strike me as notable that the word "homosexual" didn't appear in the bible until 1946, because homosexual is a relatively modern medical term, and the ancient Greeks (and i presume other contemporary cultures) had radically different views about sexuality than we have today. it was very common, for instance, for grown men to have sex with boys younger than them for pleasure, and only sleep with their wives for mating purposes, yet this was never labeled as "homosexual" in their time.
I don't think it has much impact either. Christianity since it's inception has been restrictive on sexual behavior, especially same sex, and even further back than that with Judaism.
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Prestoff
11/08/22 12:19:10 PM
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Imagine an Omnipotent, All Knowing, All Powerful being that uses one of the most unreliable way to communicate to human, a fucking book that can be translated a bajillion ways.

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KogaSteelfang
11/08/22 12:21:07 PM
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There's another part in the bible that makes it pointless to care about sin.

"Judge not."
Those 2 words right there say it's not our place to judge the lives of others. Even if being gay is a sin, it's not my place to say anything. We're supposed to love them as a brother regardless.

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SSJKirby
11/08/22 12:22:13 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Imagine an Omnipotent, All Knowing, All Powerful being that uses one of the most unreliable way to communicate to human, a fucking book that can be translated a bajillion ways.
Create thousands of languages
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What could possibly go wrong

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frozenstar
11/08/22 12:28:26 PM
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I remember hearing about homosexuality being a mistranslation over a decade ago when Seventh Day Adventists started to accept gay ppl in their church (at least where I was). They are bible literists for the most part, but dont seem to rely on Leviticus.

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NonDairyMiltank
11/08/22 12:32:29 PM
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okay, thats one major religion with homophobic tenets put on blast

how do you suggest we go about calling out the rest...?

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ThePrinceFish
11/08/22 12:55:01 PM
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KogaSteelfang posted...
There's another part in the bible that makes it pointless to care about sin.

"Judge not."
Those 2 words right there say it's not our place to judge the lives of others. Even if being gay is a sin, it's not my place to say anything. We're supposed to love them as a brother regardless.
Loving someone as your brother does not mean saying nothing as you watch them sin. If you love someone you would encourage them to live a godly life. Compassion has been entirely twisted when it becomes "let everyone do whatever they want because Jesus, right?" No, Jesus condemned living a sinful lifestyle and worked with sinners so they would no longer sin. He didn't just say "do whatever you want lmao"

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KogaSteelfang
11/08/22 1:01:09 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Loving someone as your brother does not mean saying nothing as you watch them sin. If you love someone you would encourage them to live a godly life. Compassion has been entirely twisted when it becomes "let everyone do whatever they want because Jesus, right?" No, Jesus condemned living a sinful lifestyle and worked with sinners so they would no longer sin. He didn't just say "do whatever you want lmao"
I'm not saying that either. I'm saying they shouldn't be judged or condemned for how they live, not by us anyway. Even if they're living a lifestyle we disagree with they should still have our love and support. Not the hate and condemnation they're currently getting.

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NeoShadowhen
11/08/22 1:02:18 PM
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I first caught wind of this a few years ago from, of all people, my Sunday school teacher. I didnt even go to the church service. Theyre a theology professor from a local university and it was like proctoring a class.

Anyway, I usually try to debate people about this but we typically never make it past me asking what specific verse they are referring to. They couldnt even name them. Maybe I was picking my opponents too carefully.
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ThePrinceFish
11/08/22 1:03:51 PM
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KogaSteelfang posted...
I'm not saying that either. I'm saying they shouldn't be judged or condemned for how they live, not by us anyway. Even if they're living a lifestyle we disagree with they should still have our love and support. Not the hate and condemnation they're currently getting.
I agree that there is massive blurring of the line between condemning someone's actions and condemning the person themselves that humans tend to fail at.

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mybbqrules
11/08/22 1:09:39 PM
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SSJKirby posted...
Create thousands of languages
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What could possibly go wrong
Boy, it's almost like it's all made up, huh?

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ShotWaifu
11/08/22 1:13:27 PM
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Why does the article take a million years to get to the actual mistranslation
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KogaSteelfang
11/08/22 1:14:15 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I agree that there is massive blurring of the line between condemning someone's actions and condemning the person themselves that humans tend to fail at.
To maybe clarify a bit. I strongly dislike my brother's wife. She openly admitted that she was just using him to make her own life easier before they got married.

I gave my opinion. I gave my advice. He chose to marry her anyway,band she's ruined him financially and he's miserable. You know what he has when he reaches out to me? My support. I'm still there for him, to help him, and give my advice and opinions, but ultimately, it's his life and he should live it how he feels is best. If I disagree with that, I may not like it, but I'll continue to support him and care for him because he's my brother and I love him.

That's how I feel homosexuality should be approached. They know it's not an approved of lifestyle, but if that's how they live it shouldn't change how we look at them or treat them. They're still just people, they deserve our respect and kindness. They should be supported by those around them despite disagreeing on how they're living.

Obviously there are exceptions for destructive lifestyles where we should intervene. Like a hopeless addict, or someone acting out due to mental illness. Those may need more attention and dedication to fix, but people just living their lives shouldn't be such a huge focus imo.

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ShotWaifu
11/08/22 1:18:42 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Boy, it's almost like it's all made up, huh?

Not necessarily

I think God spoke to / speaks to us in a language and vibe we understand, and those that existed so many millenia go naturally misunderstood it as flawed human beings and tried to convey their word as everyone else's word, forming religions. Which is why a lot of religions have overlaps, of both things that can be true and things that can be false.

Which is why religion as a blind faith following is dumb.
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Vegy
11/08/22 1:23:20 PM
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Humble_Novice posted...

Most current Christians, perhaps. But future people are going to look at this and come to the conclusion that the Bible simply cannot be relied upon.

Lol, we thought our generation would be educated enough to not be racist or bigots, but look at da world now where you see some of dose young people being dose things

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Popcorn2000
11/08/22 7:23:45 PM
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TendoDRM posted...
Number of religious people whose views this will change: 0

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FigureOfSpeech
11/08/22 7:25:00 PM
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Punished_Blinx
11/08/22 7:35:27 PM
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Remember that no matter how bad you fuck up at your job it can't compare to the consequences of a mistake like this.

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xGhostchantx
11/08/22 7:38:56 PM
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This would be great were it not in the TaNaKh (pre-AD), the Septuagint (Leuitikon) and even the Wycliffe (1380), too. The only times the Mosaic Covenant is trumped is when Jesus contradicts it, which he doesn't, except from the whole not killing them.

If a man slepith with a man, bi letcherie of a womman, euer either hath wrouyt vnleueful thing, die thei bi deeth; her blood be on hem.

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xGhostchantx
11/08/22 8:02:07 PM
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This would be great were it not in the TaNaKh (pre-AD), the Septuagint (Leuitikon) and even the Wycliffe (1380), too. The only times the Mosaic Covenant is trumped is when Jesus contradicts it, which he doesn't, except from the whole not killing them.

If a man slepith with a man, bi letcherie of a womman, euer either hath wrouyt vnleueful thing, die thei bi deeth; her blood be on hem.

In the Septuagint, the word man is , literally meaning human male.

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xGhostchantx
11/08/22 8:10:40 PM
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This would be great were it not in the TaNaKh (pre-AD), the Septuagint (Leuitikon) and even the Wycliffe (1380), too. The only times the Mosaic Covenant is trumped is when Jesus contradicts it, which he doesn't, except from the whole not killing them.

If a man slepith with a man, bi letcherie of a womman, euer either hath wrouyt vnleueful thing, die thei bi deeth; her blood be on hem.

In the Septuagint, the word man is , and , literally meaning human male, and 'to look at', respectively. The passage reads, euphemistically, "if a man shall look at another man"

In the OG Hebrew:


(word for word: and with a male NEG you lie as with woman abomination it)

Says the same thing, though directly instead of euphemistically.

I'm neither religious nor apologist -- the entire book and all of its ilk around the world are abominations, I am just not one for revisionist linguistic slop.

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FortuneCookie
11/08/22 8:16:20 PM
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xGhostchantx posted...
The only times the Mosaic Covenant is trumped is when Jesus contradicts it, which he doesn't, except from the whole not killing them.

So I can go to Hell for eating at Red Lobster?

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Marauder64
11/08/22 8:27:37 PM
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Not really. We're all sinners. I guess some sins just get repercussions faster and more immediately/permanent than others.

Of course the New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant, cause we humans messed up, and couldn't keep it.

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xGhostchantx
11/08/22 8:34:07 PM
#75:


FortuneCookie posted...
So I can go to Hell for eating at Red Lobster?

Nah, there's no hell so you're all good.

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Pogo_Marimo
11/08/22 8:34:46 PM
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I don't really get the point of criticizing one mistranslation in 1 Corinthians as a scapegoat for Chrisyian bigotry when there is a significant amount of explicit homophobia in the Bible. Leviticus pretty explicitly states that the Israelites should behead men who have sex with each other, Romans discusses how God turned away from some people who had turned to "shameless" same-sex relations, and the story of Lot has a bunch of men in Sodom trying to rape some guys that are Lot's guests, and Lot offers them his two virgin daughters instead (lmfao Bible). Two angels rescue Lot and blind the Sodomites and the story is used to contextualize why God dropped a 25 kill streak on Sodom and Gomorrah. There's more too that I don't remember off hand.

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Questionmarktarius
11/08/22 8:36:10 PM
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The KJV purists never saw that anyway.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9&version=KJV
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squall567
11/08/22 8:37:26 PM
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Jesus can drop down from Heaven and says gay people are cool and they would shoot him on sight for being a commie.
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Scintillant
11/08/22 8:40:23 PM
#79:


ShotWaifu posted...
Not necessarily

I think God spoke to / speaks to us in a language and vibe we understand, and those that existed so many millenia go naturally misunderstood it as flawed human beings and tried to convey their word as everyone else's word, forming religions. Which is why a lot of religions have overlaps, of both things that can be true and things that can be false.

Which is why religion as a blind faith following is dumb.
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Questionmarktarius
11/08/22 8:41:04 PM
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God hates figs.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2011:12-14&version=NIV

Stop misspelling that.
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Marauder64
11/08/22 8:41:23 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
I don't really get the point of criticizing one mistranslation in 1 Corinthians as a scapegoat for Chrisyian bigotry when there is a significant amount of explicit homophobia in the Bible. Leviticus pretty explicitly states that the Israelites should behead men who have sex with each other, Romans discusses how God turned away from some people who had turned to "shameless" same-sex relations, and the story of Lot has a bunch of men in Sodom trying to rape some guys that are Lot's guests, and Lot offers them his two virgin daughters instead (lmfao Bible). Two angels rescue Lot and blind the Sodomites and the story is used to contextualize why God dropped a 25 kill streak on Sodom and Gomorrah. There's more too that I don't remember off hand.

Haha, the story of men can be funny. You are correct though sir, you did the work. God seems to be very much against that sin.


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