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Vegy
10/30/22 4:02:21 PM
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Wtf is going on? From da Egyptians era to WWII to now, what da hell?

I just don't get it

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radical_rhino
10/30/22 4:04:42 PM
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The pyramids werent built by Jewish slaves. Thats just a Bible story.

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CRON
10/30/22 4:04:53 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism
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Rikishi
10/30/22 4:04:56 PM
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Well I think for Christians, Catholic people it's probably due to the whole Jesus situations. I'm Catholic but I don't hate Jewish people. Actually my dad is Jewish, and my mom is Irish and catholic, but I was raised mostly by my mom so I was brought up catholic and didn't follow much of the Jewish religion traditions
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ChopinList
10/30/22 4:08:06 PM
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CRON posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

TIL Jewish hatred started before Hitler/Nazis

  1. Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in Ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
  2. Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
  3. Muslim antisemitism which wasat least in its classical formnuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
  4. Political, social and economic antisemitism during the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
  5. Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
  6. Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the new antisemitism


Wonder why all the stuff that happened before the Holocaust doesnt get mentioned much. Like The Pale of Settlement. Didnt realize there was 5 steps before Hitler was even in power.

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g0ldie
10/30/22 4:12:50 PM
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throughout history, there have been many Christians who blamed Jewish people for Jesus' death.

then in the Middle Ages, I think, Jewish people were allowed to do some business/banking practices Christians weren't allowed, so even though they were seen as being necessary, they also had negative baggage attached to them.

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Zikten
10/30/22 4:13:39 PM
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The Egyptian slave thing never happened. There is no record of it outside the Bible. The whole story of Exodus is fiction most likely

Europeans bought into the whole myth of Jesus being killed by Jews. Which never made sense to me. I have a personal theory that the original story was Romans ordered his execution and then later on when more and more Romans were becoming Christians, it got awkward so they changed the story and said the Jews did it
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Vampire_Chicken
10/30/22 4:24:52 PM
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ChopinList posted...
Wonder why all the stuff that happened before the Holocaust doesnt get mentioned much.
Because for a lot of people, history doesn't extend much further back than living memory, or to the extent to which it's preserved on film.
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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:31:03 PM
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g0ldie posted...
throughout history, there have been many Christians who blamed Jewish people for Jesus' death.

then in the Middle Ages, I think, Jewish people were allowed to do some business/banking practices Christians weren't allowed, so even though they were seen as being necessary, they also had negative baggage attached to them.

OMG THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW!

Reading Count of Monte Cristo and Edmond says he went visit a Jew to check certain jewels and money and I was like "Damn that's some harsh shit"

Wow, that makes so much sense and no wonder it was so blatant.

radical_rhino posted...
The pyramids werent built by Jewish slaves. Thats just a Bible story.


Bingo! There have been so many rulers in Egypt and I think even there have been Hebrews in power. For some reason, they made Moses, a heroic legend, to look up to. Hell, it wouldn't make sense for Egyptians to blatantly take one type of people and make them slaves because the way they work slavery is that its useful for those in debt or suffering war crimes. But to just say "These people of that faith need to be imprisoned and forced to work!" Hell, working on the pyramids was even a great honor.

Egypt was such a source of power and a hub of the world...but yeah...

but its still weird that there are people who are anti-Semitic and that its so big its even got a specific word. I never understood the hatred of Jewish people. Such a weird thing to hate.
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ChopinList
10/30/22 4:34:28 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
OMG THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW!

Reading Count of Monte Cristo and Edmond says he went visit a Jew to check certain jewels and money and I was like "Damn that's some harsh shit"

Wow, that makes so much sense and no wonder it was so blatant.

Bingo! There have been so many rulers in Egypt and I think even there have been Hebrews in power. For some reason, they made Moses, a heroic legend, to look up to. Hell, it wouldn't make sense for Egyptians to blatantly take one type of people and make them slaves because the way they work slavery is that its useful for those in debt or suffering war crimes. But to just say "These people of that faith need to be imprisoned and forced to work!" Hell, working on the pyramids was even a great honor.

Egypt was such a source of power and a hub of the world...but yeah...

I mean the Bible did have some more obvious fictional moments. Like in order to escape Moses parted a sea lol. So Im not surprised if they lied about the Slavery stuff.

IIRC the bible plagiarized Noah's Flood from Gilgamesh as well.

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BurmesePenguin
10/30/22 4:37:36 PM
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Post #5 is pretty wild.
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Vampire_Chicken
10/30/22 4:40:02 PM
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The short story here is that bad habits are always the hardest ones to break.
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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:44:22 PM
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ChopinList posted...
I mean the Bible did have some more obvious fictional moments. Like in order to escape Moses parted a sea lol. So Im not surprised if they lied about the Slavery stuff.

IIRC the bible plagiarized Noah's Flood from Gilgamesh as well.

I swear that there was a part of the Red Sea that actually parted on its own through some sort of phenomena or tide. Someone told me that they had seen it on Discovery or History channel or something years ago. I'm not even too sure.
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silverpine
10/30/22 4:46:19 PM
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it's so weird to me because i've never known someone is jewish until they told me. it's hard for me to wrap my head around what a jewish person "is" aside from a white person
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VampireCoyote
10/30/22 4:46:54 PM
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Theyre an easy scapegoat for anyone in power

why take responsibility or solve problems when you can just blame everything on the other

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gunplagirl
10/30/22 4:47:56 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
I swear that there was a part of the Red Sea that actually parted on its own through some sort of phenomena or tide. Someone told me that they had seen it on Discovery or History channel or something years ago. I'm not even too sure.
Moses spent much of his youth in the wilderness, so it wouldn't be entirely surprising if he knew about the tides and a part of the region that could be walked through during low tide but that would rise a lot after a few hours. It was in some history channel special like "battles of the Bible" or whatever.

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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:49:33 PM
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silverpine posted...
it's so weird to me because i've never known someone is jewish until they told me. it's hard for me to wrap my head around what a jewish person "is" aside from a white person

You don't see many or if any Jewish person here. I live in the South and the new owners of our apartment building are Jewish.(hell the only reason I knew was because the leasing office was closed for a Jewish holiday which was a total bitch) The other day, one of the guys was taking pictures of the apartments on the outside and was wearing a kippah and it was the first time seeing a kippah on someone without it being on television.

I totally kept walking because I have a bad habit of being too curious of people. The other day, there were some people from Boston and I totally started going off with questions about the food, the people, the land, etc. Probably went on a weird tangent..
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refmon
10/30/22 4:50:00 PM
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silverpine posted...
it's so weird to me because i've never known someone is jewish until they told me. it's hard for me to wrap my head around what a jewish person "is" aside from a white person


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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:51:27 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Moses spent much of his youth in the wilderness, so it wouldn't be entirely surprising if he knew about the tides and a part of the region that could be walked through during low tide but that would rise a lot after a few hours. It was in some history channel special like "battles of the Bible" or whatever.


Yeah, although I doubt Moses existed since it seemed to exist as some legend in the bible as its been talked of over the years.
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meralonne
10/30/22 4:56:01 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
You don't see many or if any Jewish person here. I live in the South and the new owners of our apartment building are Jewish.(hell the only reason I knew was because the leasing office was closed for a Jewish holiday which was a total bitch)

Id like you to take a step back from this comment for a moment and think about how non-Christians feel about everything being closed on Christmas.

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Zikten
10/30/22 4:56:04 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
Yeah, although I doubt Moses existed since it seemed to exist as some legend in the bible as its been talked of over the years.

The non biblical archeological theory is that the Hebrews were never even outside Israel. The whole journey to find a homeland never happened. Its believed that the Hebrews are the same people the Bible claims they conquered to gain Israel. They used to be pagan with many gods. At some point there was a culture shift and they changed to one god. Centuries later they probably wrote down mythical tales of their origins as a people. I don't believe Book of Exodus happened at all and yes, Moses probably never existed
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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:58:20 PM
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meralonne posted...
Id like you to take a step back from this comment for a moment and think about how non-Christians feel about everything being closed on Christmas.

I mean, as a non Christian...lol But I love Asian food and they're always open no matter what.

The problem with the office being closed on a holiday was that I didn't know it was a holiday and then all of a sudden someone says that it was a Jewish holiday and that's when I was like "Well shit"

I was just annoyed because I got my steam deck that day and had to wait 2 days just to play it.
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silverpine
10/30/22 4:58:27 PM
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i read a really good article (about kanye's anti-semitism) and there was one part that made a lot of sense. apparently jewish people have a saying: "two jews, three opinions." basically jewish people don't even agree on a lot amongst each other. even if statistically they are overrepresented in certain careers there's no unifying goal amongst them. this is all super obvious but apparently some people need it spelled out.
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Vampire_Chicken
10/30/22 4:59:26 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Post #5 is pretty wild.
I still have to peel my eyebrows off the ceiling whenever I discover that people think anti-semitism was a Nazi innovation, some specifically German phenomenon that sprang up out of nowhere after WWI.
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dameon_reaper
10/30/22 4:59:50 PM
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Zikten posted...
The non biblical archeological theory is that the Hebrews were never even outside Israel. The whole journey to find a homeland never happened. Its believed that the Hebrews are the same people the Bible claims they conquered to gain Israel. They used to be pagan with many gods. At some point there was a culture shift and they changed to one god. Centuries later they probably wrote down mythical tales of their origins as a people. I don't believe Book of Exodus happened at all and yes, Moses probably never existed

I love this kind of conversation. Its my favorite discussion. Not debunking bible shit but discussing the origins of tales and words and such. I wonder why they came up with these type of tales in the first place. It feels like some kind of folktale you'd need to keep hope up.
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Maze_
10/30/22 5:01:01 PM
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I'm no expert but as far I as I understand it, it largely stems from "The Jews Killed Jesus!" (Nevermind that Jesus was a Jew)

Which kind of persisted and bled into every new antisemitism conspiracy theory. "Dey controll da banks!" "They stabbed us in the back!" "Giant Space Lazor!"


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ScazarMeltex
10/30/22 5:02:16 PM
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I have a hard time believing that people didn't know anti-semitism existed prior to the Nazis. Literally any cursory study of European would tell you that the Jews have never had an easy lot there. All the Nazis did was take all the pogroms, prejudice, and repression to it's logical conclusion.

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El_Marsh
10/30/22 5:03:17 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Theyre an easy scapegoat for anyone in power

why take responsibility or solve problems when you can just blame everything on the other
It saddens me that people still don't understand this

And if there aren't enough of one minority around, they will find another and make them a pariah

Tale as old as fucking time

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Zikten
10/30/22 5:04:02 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
I love this kind of conversation. Its my favorite discussion. Not debunking bible shit but discussing the origins of tales and words and such. I wonder why they came up with these type of tales in the first place. It feels like some kind of folktale you'd need to keep hope up.
Cultures often like to come up with origin myths to explain how their civilization came to be. The Romans thought that their main city was built by 2 brothers who were raised by a wolf

The Irish have old legends about a series of wars fought over Ireland by multiple races of beings until the modern human Irish came into power. Cultures in ancient times had little to no way of knowing much of their past. And they wanted an explanation for their history. The stories were probably first created by either kings or priests, to satisfy the masses
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meralonne
10/30/22 5:04:21 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
I mean, as a non Christian...lol But I love Asian food and they're always open no matter what.

Then as a non-Christian, you get exactly what Im saying. lol


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Zikten
10/30/22 5:06:13 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
I have a hard time believing that people didn't know anti-semitism existed prior to the Nazis. Literally any cursory study of European would tell you that the Jews have never had an easy lot there. All the Nazis did was take all the pogroms, prejudice, and repression to it's logical conclusion.
People in other countries might be aware of the full history, but I am not surprised many Americans would not know much about anything in Europe prior to ww2. Our education system is not that great, and lots of kids don't care about history
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EndOfDiscOne
10/30/22 5:13:14 PM
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Im always surprised when I hear about antisemitism among famous people. Ive never known anyone in real life who disliked or cares about Jewish people. Ive only known a few Jewish people though

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gunplagirl
10/31/22 1:32:11 AM
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https://youtu.be/WBLHEiWmy4k

Oh, this topic and scapegoating reminded me of the list in this clip. :/

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Tyranthraxus
10/31/22 1:55:03 AM
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Zikten posted...
The Egyptian slave thing never happened. There is no record of it outside the Bible. The whole story of Exodus is fiction most likely

Europeans bought into the whole myth of Jesus being killed by Jews. Which never made sense to me. I have a personal theory that the original story was Romans ordered his execution and then later on when more and more Romans were becoming Christians, it got awkward so they changed the story and said the Jews did it

This is kind of an extreme theory. There's evidence the new testament was written before 100 CE which would have included the Pontius Pilate story at the time. Constantine didn't happen until 270 ish so for the story to change essentially it would have been ordered to alter the bible over 150 years after it was written to revise the story of Jews condemning Jesus.

This isn't impossible per s but it's a pretty radical theory.

The most likely scenario IMO is Jesus lived among historical Zealots (old Jewish sect) who believed in violently overthrowing the Romans and Jesus' popularity and his message of peace made a lot of Zealots upset and those are the ones who condemned him.

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WingsOfGood
10/31/22 2:39:41 AM
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Fyi

In Jesus time it was seen as defiling for a Jew to be around a non jew.

That is a gentile man once sent to Jesus and said "I know that it would not be right for me a non jew to come near you."

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Foppe
10/31/22 3:04:17 AM
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Gospel of Luke is clearly Romanwashed.
All non-Biblical sources of Pontius Pilates says that he was brutal, he could kill every man, woman and child in a village if he suspected that they were hiding a suspect.
But in the Bible he is against killing Jesus even after highranked Jews tells him that Jesus is a traitor.
The whole tradition of releasing a prisoner at Easter is also made up, to make the Romans look better.
The whole Gospel is made to look like the Romans were forced to kill Jesus and making the Jews the bad guys that forced the Romans to do it.

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Sayoria
10/31/22 4:22:31 AM
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No idea.

It's even stranger to me because I have Jewish blindness. Like, I cannot even tell when someone is Jewish if they aren't wearing a Kippah. Literally, no idea.

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