Current Events > Fmr. VPOTUS Mike Pence: Founders never thought about 'freedom from religion'

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0TUShKydJ4

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/mike-pence-says-constitution-doesnt-guarantee-americans-freedom-religion/

Mike Pence said yesterday on Fox Business that the First Amendment to the Constitution doesnt provide freedom from religion, the idea that people shouldnt have other peoples religious beliefs forced on them.
Host Larry Kudlow told Pence that far-left progressives will not allow God into the conversation, will not allow religion into the conversation. Not just the conversation, the schools, the communities, the workplace I mean, no one is allowed to talk about the Ten Commandments or the importance of moral values.
People are allowed to talk about the Ten Commandments and morality in the U.S.
How can we have a truly great nation? These lefties want to scrap religion, Mike Pence, and I think its a terrible mistake, Kudlow said.
Pence waited a bit possibly to see if Kudlow was actually going to ask a question and responded: Well, the radical left believes that the freedom of religion is the freedom from religion. But its nothing the American founders ever thought of or generations of Americans fought to defend.
The good news is that after four years of the Trump-Pence administration, Im confident that we have a pro-religious freedom majority on the Supreme Court of the United States, he continued.
Despite Pences insistence, the First Amendment comes with two parts. He and Kudlow appeared to be familiar with the Free Exercise Clause, which says Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
But theres also the Establishment Clause, which says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
In other words, the First Amendment gives people both freedom of and freedom from religion.
Americas founders were opposed to the government forcing religion on people, especially considering the religious oppression and wars that had plagued Europe in the centuries leading up to the writing of the Constitution.
No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities, Thomas Jefferson wrote in the constitution of Virginia, showing that freedom from religion was definitely something that the founders were thinking of.
The settled opinion here is that religion is essentially distinct from Civil Government, and exempt from its cognizance; that a connexion between them is injurious to both; that there are causes in the human breast, which ensure the perpetuity of religion without the aid of the law, James Madison wrote in a letter in 1819. A legal establishment of religion without a toleration could not be thought of, and with toleration, is no security for public quiet and harmony, but rather a source itself of discord and animosity.
Pences views on the establishment of a national religion could be of national importance in a few years. He has suggested that hes considering a 2024 presidential run and, as he noted in the interview with Kudlow, the president can appoint judges who can rule against freedom from religion.

Hey, Pence, go fuck yourself, you slimy git.

Also thanks for saying the quiet part out loud. ACB and Kavanaugh, at the very least, should be removed for possibility of being compromised and lacking the impartiality needed to be SCOTUS judges.

They want the First Amendment to apply for them and then only.

Yes they did. John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli and the Fathers were all about "Separation of Church and State".

This stupid shit about the USA being a Christian nation or God Blessed is some 20th century bullshit from a bunch of lunatics.

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

Several of the Founding Fathers were likely secret atheists. Ben Franklin especially so. Mike Pence is an idiot

Praise Odin!

I, for one, welcome my right to demand people around me support my views on Satanism and to be taught by a Satanist and have those views pushed in classrooms.

Clearly there are no laws against that. It's well within my rights

Well, hes almost half right. The puritans didnt leave Europe because they werent allowed to follow their religion, they left because they werent allowed to force their religion on others

Thomas Jefferson literally made a version of the bible with most the supernatural elements removed.

thronedfire2 posted...

Well, hes right. The puritans didnt leave Europe because they werent allowed to follow their religion, they left because they werent allowed to force their religion on others

That's how they got here, not how the country was founded

Did he not pay any attention in 8th grade social studies? Hell, even earlier?

That's a very nice, clean, unstretched neck Mr. Pence has.

Im so happy that secularism has been on the rise, cause if not wed be going back to the 50 like tomorrow.

Some Founding Fathers did believe in "freedom from religion," and others absolutely did not. In my piece for the Christian politics journal, American Reformer, from a few months ago, I make the case that James Madison did envision the establishment of a secular, liberal republic that would represent the basis for a new, more individualistic way of life.

https://americanreformer.org/2022/09/the-original-anti-christian-nationalist/

However, there is no question that men such as George Washington, Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Richard Henry Lee, John Hancock, and many other major Founders did believe that the religion was a necessary foundation for the political order. Washington speaks unambiguously on this question in his Farewell Address, which has always been considered to be one of the key expressions of republican idealism from early American history:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect & to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private & public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desertthe oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structurereason & experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

Also consider John Hancock's appeal to the people, in his Inaugural Address as Governor of Massachusetts, to remember the Lord's Day on Sunday:

"A due observation of the Lord's Day is not only important to internal religion, but greatly conducive to the order and benefit of civil society. It speaks to the senses of mankind and, by a solemn cessation of their common affairs, reminds them of a Deity and their accountableness to the great Lord of all. Whatever may be necessary to the support of such an institution, in consistence with a reasonable personal liberty, deserves the attention of civil government. Manners, by which not only the freedom, but the very existence of republics, are greatly affected, depend much upon the public institutions of religion and the good education of the youth; in both these instances our [Puritan] fathers laid wise foundations, for which their posterity have had reason to bless their memory."

If the US isn't a Christian nation then why does the Declaration of Independence say we were separating from Britian so we could spend more time with Jesus?

YellowSUV posted...

Thomas Jefferson literally made a version of the bible with most the supernatural elements removed.

Wait really?

Didnt the founders also view black people as property?

so who gives a fuck what they thought

Ruvan22 posted...

Wait really?

Yep. What I heard was he tore pages from his personal Bible that he disagreed with. I didn't know it was all the supernatural parts but that does make sense

TheGoldenEel posted...

Didnt the founders also view black people as property?

so who gives a fuck what they thought

some did, if I remember correctly, they wanted to make slavery illegal in the constitution or declaration? But they knew it would divide people and make the war against Britain harder so they left it alone

Pence is unqualified for the Presidency if he can't uphold the first amendment.

Even if they hadn't thought of freedom from religion, so what? Modern policy should not be based on the opinions of anyone who wasn't around after the industrial revolution.

the founding fathers never thought of assault rifles either

Hell, Pence can't even uphold the 25th amendment